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Re: Full Explanation on why Tobi is Kagami Uchiha
Everyday when you're walking in a cave.. Ya see a shinobi you can save.. And then you merge with each other...
And I say Hey! Hey! What a wonderful kind of day.. Where I can find a dead Uchiha hey.. And give him Madara D.N.A.
LMFAOOOO!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahahaha
ROFL!!! I'm bout to finish it off...
Everyday when you're walking in a cave.. Ya see a shinobi you can save.. And then you merge with each other...
And I say Hey! Hey! What a wonderful kind of day.. Where I can find a dead Uchiha hey.. And give him Madara D.N.A.
LMFAOOOO!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahahaha
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60% Profits to me, 40% to you (10% extra for me because of idea Lol
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LOOOL if Tobi turns out to be Obito i am publishing this shit!
60% Profits to me, 40% to you (10% extra for me because of idea Lol
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Could be true, kishi never mentioned how he died. Tobi told danzo (during sasuke vs danzo) that the last time they met was during the last uchiha incident. Meaning they have met before and danzo knows him well.
Kagami and danzo is missing in this incident, which is probably when they met last.
Could be true, kishi never mentioned how he died. Tobi told danzo (during sasuke vs danzo) that the last time they met was during the last uchiha incident. Meaning they have met before and danzo knows him well.
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Kagami and danzo is missing in this incident, which is probably when they met last.
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Hmm all it is is just cells and dna, we saw this with zabuto I didn't think it was that sci-fi ish
:sy: Like i said wheres the loopholes in MY THEORY By theories counter everything you have said read it again. My theory is saying it is just obito's body and eye not his mind. Also I said zetsu needed an uchiha body to put hashi's and madara cells into you didn't read my theory, you fail.
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Re: Full Explanation on why Tobi is Kagami Uchiha
Using a similar technique to that of Orochimaru? If Orochimaru was involved then it makes your theory more possible
But still i kinda get what you mean, which would actually explain a lot of things about Tobi
Nice one
Using a similar technique to that of Orochimaru? If Orochimaru was involved then it makes your theory more possible
But still i kinda get what you mean, which would actually explain a lot of things about Tobi
Nice one
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Nice theory.I agree with what you said but The Hidden Shinobi's theory is good too.I think you should both believe in your theories but try to understand eachother's too.Both are really good and I support them both
Nice theory.I agree with what you said but The Hidden Shinobi's theory is good too.I think you should both believe in your theories but try to understand eachother's too.Both are really good and I support them both
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Fair enough...
Okay cool, you got yourself a deal!
Lololol XD
Lmao!LOOOL if Tobi turns out to be Obito i am publishing this shit!
60% Profits to me, 40% to you (10% extra for me because of idea Lol
Fair enough...
Okay cool, you got yourself a deal!
Lololol XD
Re: Full Explanation on why Tobi is Kagami Uchiha
We know nothing about Kagami, he was one of many Uchihas. Kagami has no feats and no similarity with Tobi.
People assume that Tobi could be an Uzumaki, a Senju, Kagami, I mean without feats I could also assume that Tobi is someone from the Nara clan or whatever.
We know nothing about Kagami, he was one of many Uchihas. Kagami has no feats and no similarity with Tobi.
People assume that Tobi could be an Uzumaki, a Senju, Kagami, I mean without feats I could also assume that Tobi is someone from the Nara clan or whatever.
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If Tobi is a Senju/Senju Descedenant it would kinda f*ck up the whole motive for destorying the Uchiha (Lost honour) and hating the Senju (despicable betrayal against the Uchiha)
Apart from the transferrable nature of a Sharingan, it would make no sense if he was from another clan. The Senjus and the descendants weren't known for hating and i don't think they hated their distant/close relative of Hashirama
If Tobi is a Senju/Senju Descedenant it would kinda f*ck up the whole motive for destorying the Uchiha (Lost honour) and hating the Senju (despicable betrayal against the Uchiha)
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But.....
First of all, he has no feats that we are aware of.
Second of all, he clearly isn't just "one of many Uchihas" because Tobirama (the current Hokage at that time) had Kagami on his team. As the only Uchiha on the squad Tobirama picked him above all of the other Uchiha in Konoha. That has to tell you something about Kagami. He must have been somewhere not too far behind Hiruzen and Danzou when it came down to fighting.
I hate repeating myself..
But.....
First of all, he has no feats that we are aware of.
Second of all, he clearly isn't just "one of many Uchihas" because Tobirama (the current Hokage at that time) had Kagami on his team. As the only Uchiha on the squad Tobirama picked him above all of the other Uchiha in Konoha. That has to tell you something about Kagami. He must have been somewhere not too far behind Hiruzen and Danzou when it came down to fighting.
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Hey NegatIve Knight, another thing just occurred to me. Maybe Kishi was giving us a little insight with the name itself. Think about it. Kagami was on TOBIrama's team. So maybe that's why he uses the alias Tobi. For short. Lol idk, it could easily just be coincidence. Or it could be genius masterminding. XD
Hey NegatIve Knight, another thing just occurred to me. Maybe Kishi was giving us a little insight with the name itself. Think about it. Kagami was on TOBIrama's team. So maybe that's why he uses the alias Tobi. For short. Lol idk, it could easily just be coincidence. Or it could be genius masterminding. XD
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Re: Full Explanation on why Tobi is Kagami Uchiha
Still before i made this thread i was supporting the Izuna Uchiha theory till i saw how many loopholes it had
Lool when i saw Tobi detach Zetsu parts i thought i was original in thinking he was Obito, i come online and see i wasn't the first :sy:
LOOOL i just noticed that, i need to meet this genius old man and so i can sneak Kisame's revival via Edo Tensei into his plans
Still before i made this thread i was supporting the Izuna Uchiha theory till i saw how many loopholes it had
Lool when i saw Tobi detach Zetsu parts i thought i was original in thinking he was Obito, i come online and see i wasn't the first :sy:
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Criteria For Tobi’s Identity
1) He is from the time of Hashirama Senju, and needs to be someone the Kyuubi would instantly recognize.
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He is instantly recognized by the Kyuubi, who as far as we know has been sealed away in an Uzumaki jinchuuriki ever since the battle at the Valley of the End, where Uzumaki Mito sealed it into herself. There are no reports of the Kyuubi having broken free aside from in Yondaime’s time. This means that Tobi is someone the Kyuubi met during the time of Hashirama.
Given the way in which he speaks of past events, he has first-hand knowledge of and was emotionally investment in the Uchiha/Senju conflict.
Izuna fits: Uchiha Izuna was from this time period, and for obvious reasons, was personally and emotionally invested in fighting the Senju.
2) He has to have a credible reason for being pissed off at the Uchiha’s making peace with the Senju, and needs to be personally, emotionally invested in Uchiha Izuna’s eyes being given to Uchiha Madara.
“What kind of monster would hurt his beloved younger brother?! All I ever wanted was to protect the Uchiha clan! […] My younger brother accepted his role and willingly gave his eyes to me….[Tobi clenches his arms in anger]. What happened to the hatred we had for them?! What did my brother sacrifice his eyes for?!”
Izuna fits: He has ample reason to be pissed off at the Uchiha, even more so than Uchiha Madara; he sacrificed his eyes and possibly his life to give Madara the EMS in order to protect the Uchiha in their fight against the Senju, only to have them go and make peace? Why did he sacrifice his eyes and his life for them, then?!
3) He has a credible reason for claiming that the eyes Nagato had “were [his] to begin with.”
Izuna fits: If we accept the likelihood that Nagato’s eyes used to be Uchiha Madara’s (who is the only person we know which awakened the Rinnegan), then we also accept that Nagato’s eyes originally belonged to Uchiha Izuna’s, as we know that Uchiha Madara’s EMS eyes originally belonged to Izuna. Izuna fits this perfectly; no one else has a better credible reason to claim Nagato’s eyes “were his to begin with” than Izuna.
4) He needs to be a person whom Uchiha Madara will trust with his own life and rebirth.
Madara trusted Tobi to bring him back to life with Nagato’s powers. This is a major deal. Who would whant to ressurect an arrogant bastard like Madara unless he was your brother .... only the love of a brother would accept Madara
If we accept Madara’s statement that he awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death, then this also means that he had only a very short period of time to transplant the Rinnegan into child Nagato. This means that he was 100%, utterly dependent on Tobi to carry out the ‘plan’ he mentioned to Kabuto, which included his resurrection.
Madara also gave Tobi access to the Hashirama-related power which he had nearly died for; an incredible show of trust.
Izuna fits: He is Uchiha Madara’s younger brother, and brotherly ties are a major focal point of this manga. We know that Rinnei Tensei can bring the dead back to life, and we know that Uchiha Madara gained the Rinnegan before dying. It would make sense if he used the Rinnegan to bring back Izuna.
Counter-Argument: Nagato wasn’t able to bring back Jiraiya because he had died too long ago! How could Madara bring back Izuna, who had died even longer ago!
Response: Uchiha Madara planned to use Nagato to bring himself back to life. If we accept that Madara died while Nagato was a child (which is necessary, as Nagato was given the Rinnegan as a child), and that Nagato was expected to ‘grow’ into his power, then this shows Madara thought it was fully possible for Nagato to resurrect him, despite years having passed. Which indicates that it is also fully possible for Madara to resurrect Izuna, despite years having passed.
5) He needs to have a credible grudge against Konoha, and has to have waited a long time for his vengeance against Konoha.
Spoken to Kushina: “Do you have any idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?!”
Izuna fits: His reason for a grudge against Konoha are obvious and profound; he gave his eyes to fight against the Senju who controlled the village, then eventually expelled his brother out from it. If we accept that he died or was maimed back in Hashirama’s days, then he has been waiting a long, long time indeed for his vengeance.
6) Tobi needs to be an Uchiha.
Although not Madara, Tobi still needs to have an Uchiha’s body; he uses the sharingan with expertise not seen outside a native Uchiha, and does not appear to have any problems with his body not being suited for the sharingan.
Izuna fits: Self-explanatory.
7) Tobi has to have a credible reason for being at least partly made out of Zetsu goo, even as far back as the fight with Yondaime.
Izuna somewhat fits: Tobi claims that Uchiha Izuna died in battle after losing his eyes. Knowing that Rinnei Tensi is capable of bringing the dead back, and also knowing that Zetsu goo is based off of Hashirama’s DNA, it’s credible that for Madara to bring Izuna back, he had to use Zetsu goo for whatever reason. Admittedly, more data is required here.
8) He has an old, wrinkly face, despite being partially made out of Zetsu goo.
Izuna fits: If we accept that Izuna was brought back to life with the Rinnegan while Nagato was a child, then at least 30+ years have passed, as we know that Nagato (being Jiraiya’s first disciple) should be as old or older than Minato. If Izuna was brought back in a partially ‘real’ body which aged, and if he had died in his 20’s, then he would now be in his 50’s or 60’s, explaining the wrinkly face. This is also supported by the fact that he indicates if Itachi knew some of his secrets, the Amaterasu would have killed him, indicating that at least part of him was non-Zetsu goo and thus vulnerable to being killed.
Note: The biggest clue is that " Tobi is a good boy " meaning Izuna was a good brother to Madara but turn evil to get revenge for Madara.... i belive kishi is making a switch deja vu like Itachi and Sasuke .... Madara and Izuna
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Re: Full Explanation on why Tobi is Kagami Uchiha
Are you talking about my theory?Using a similar technique to that of Orochimaru? If Orochimaru was involved then it makes your theory more possible
But still i kinda get what you mean, which would actually explain a lot of things about Tobi
Nice one
It sure is but I think it can be kagami as well, those are the two theories I believe.
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Lol yeah i was talking about your theory, it made more sense as it takes away most of the loopholes because of it being Obito's body and not his mind.
Lol yeah i was talking about your theory, it made more sense as it takes away most of the loopholes because of it being Obito's body and not his mind.
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And for him not having his mind we have seen the type of things zetsu can do with kisame and neji. and also how he has uchiha and senju dna so there is still some things that can be revealed.
Oh thanks xd I agree with yours as well obito and kagami are the only people who I think tobi can be. I just don't like the way people say it can't be obito because he is dead? this is naruto where talking about when you have things like walking through walls, orochimaru, edo tensei, rinnegan don't tell me someone is dead.
And for him not having his mind we have seen the type of things zetsu can do with kisame and neji. and also how he has uchiha and senju dna so there is still some things that can be revealed.
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well well well i usually do not comment on this topic of Tobi's identity and i think till the day Kishi decides to reveal him them we gotta take Tobi's word that he is NOBODY!!! but here are a set of questions and points that can assist some of y'all in trying to decipher who he really is.
1. for such an esteemed "Uchiha" why hasnt Tobi awakened his EMS? yet e has shown great mastery of the sharingan!!!
2. he was caught slipping through traps and boundaries of Konoha meaning he was a resident of the village yet the village started with Hashirama and to a smaller extent Madara. this dude even managed to sneek peak the tablet at Naka Shrine
3. Tobi fought The Fourth Hokage and was able to extract the Nine Tails. now several incidences happened in there that might also be helpful. for instance on
4. when we see the Fourth Mizukage being controlled can we say that was Tobi or Madara?
anyway let me not say more than required here... peace guys
well well well i usually do not comment on this topic of Tobi's identity and i think till the day Kishi decides to reveal him them we gotta take Tobi's word that he is NOBODY!!! but here are a set of questions and points that can assist some of y'all in trying to decipher who he really is.
1. for such an esteemed "Uchiha" why hasnt Tobi awakened his EMS? yet e has shown great mastery of the sharingan!!!
2. he was caught slipping through traps and boundaries of Konoha meaning he was a resident of the village yet the village started with Hashirama and to a smaller extent Madara. this dude even managed to sneek peak the tablet at Naka Shrine
3. Tobi fought The Fourth Hokage and was able to extract the Nine Tails. now several incidences happened in there that might also be helpful. for instance on
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the 9 tails clearly shows that he recognises Tobi from time before... again on
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he said to Kushina and i quote "do you have any idea how long i've waited for this moment?" clearly this illustrates that he had spent some great time planning this... 4. when we see the Fourth Mizukage being controlled can we say that was Tobi or Madara?
anyway let me not say more than required here... peace guys
Re: Full Explanation on why Tobi is Kagami Uchiha
Good theory, I agree on most points I think.
My current theory:
After Madara had been defeated by Hashi, Madara disappeared from Konoha. Now after this the first shinobi war began and Kagami joined Team Tobirama. At this time, Kagami was still with the rest of the uchiha clan. After the war, in some way, he got in contact with Madara. I believe Kagami will be portrayed a bit like Sasuke with Kagami's relationship to Madara being similar to that of Sasuke and Tobi/Kagami.
Anyways, at the time after the first war they are together and Madara inspires Kagami as his mentor. For some reason, Kagami is drawn to Madara and his ideals which will probably be explained from his background. Zetsu is introduced somewhere here and becomes a friend to Kagami.
After this we're somewhere around the second war period and Nagato's part in Madara and Tobi's plans will be revealed. It's in this period Tobi matures and begins to think himself as an equal to Madara. Also at some time Madara will become third mizukage. And we know the fourth mizukage is Yagura controlled by Tobi. I think Madara dies somewhere before the era of the fourth mizukage and Tobi takes his place. Well, Yagura is technically the fourth but he is just there for Tobi to hide behind. Just like with akatsuki, Tobi is never the face of the leader, he is always the leader manipulator.
Good theory, I agree on most points I think.
My current theory:
After Madara had been defeated by Hashi, Madara disappeared from Konoha. Now after this the first shinobi war began and Kagami joined Team Tobirama. At this time, Kagami was still with the rest of the uchiha clan. After the war, in some way, he got in contact with Madara. I believe Kagami will be portrayed a bit like Sasuke with Kagami's relationship to Madara being similar to that of Sasuke and Tobi/Kagami.
Anyways, at the time after the first war they are together and Madara inspires Kagami as his mentor. For some reason, Kagami is drawn to Madara and his ideals which will probably be explained from his background. Zetsu is introduced somewhere here and becomes a friend to Kagami.
After this we're somewhere around the second war period and Nagato's part in Madara and Tobi's plans will be revealed. It's in this period Tobi matures and begins to think himself as an equal to Madara. Also at some time Madara will become third mizukage. And we know the fourth mizukage is Yagura controlled by Tobi. I think Madara dies somewhere before the era of the fourth mizukage and Tobi takes his place. Well, Yagura is technically the fourth but he is just there for Tobi to hide behind. Just like with akatsuki, Tobi is never the face of the leader, he is always the leader manipulator.
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