Naruto 1 tailed Vs. Kimimaro (Part 1)

Naruto 1 tailed Vs. Kimimaro (part 1)

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Alphonse Elric

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If kimmo wasn't sick I would say him in a heart beat, sadly that wasn't the case in part 1. Naruto's regeneration skills would last a long time, most likely will the reason he wins the fight.
 

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Naruto will win. In the KN0 state he took a chidori through his right lung and his arm was permanently disabled. Kurama's chakra instantly regenerated him to full health, Kimimaro's bones aren't hurting him in the slightest. We learned chakra cloaks are unpredictable more so that 3 tomoe sharingan can't even keep up with their precog, and that's Kimimaro's worst enemy.

KN0 Naruto>>>>>>>>>>>2 tomoe Sasuke in speed who during the chunin exam arc was as fast as weightless Lee. Naruto can keep up with 3rd tomoe by the end. Weighted Base Lee is as fast as Kimimaro, and the 1st gate outsped Kimi like no tomorrow. And he's not taking no rasengan.

So yeah, IMO Naruto stomps pretty hard.
 

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Naruto will win. In the KN0 state he took a chidori through his right lung and his arm was permanently disabled. Kurama's chakra instantly regenerated him to full health, Kimimaro's bones aren't hurting him in the slightest. We learned chakra cloaks are unpredictable more so that 3 tomoe sharingan can't even keep up with their precog, and that's Kimimaro's worst enemy.

KN0 Naruto>>>>>>>>>>>2 tomoe Sasuke in speed who during the chunin exam arc was as fast as weightless Lee. Naruto can keep up with 3rd tomoe by the end. Weighted Base Lee is as fast as Kimimaro, and the 1st gate outsped Kimi like no tomorrow. And he's not taking no rasengan.

So yeah, IMO Naruto stomps pretty hard.
It's a bit A>b>c logic but it IS logical, though Im led to believe otherwise based on army of kyuubi clones vs Kimi in base. It didnt go very far but they both kept their superforms in reserve.

I think If a rasengan would have put kimi away so simply NAruto could have done it to begin with because he was desperately trying to get past him to follow sasuke.

Cs2 Form is comparable to naruto's one tail state in the degree of boost it gives you, and i STRONGLY believe that Kimimaro has a better degree of control over his than Sasuke, who only just awakened it.
 

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It's a bit A>b>c logic but it IS logical, though Im led to believe otherwise based on army of kyuubi clones vs Kimi in base. It didnt go very far but they both kept their superforms in reserve.

I think If a rasengan would have put kimi away so simply NAruto could have done it to begin with because he was desperately trying to get past him to follow sasuke.

Cs2 Form is comparable to naruto's one tail state in the degree of boost it gives you, and i STRONGLY believe that Kimimaro has a better degree of control over his than Sasuke, who only just awakened it.
It's not ABC Logic, it's legit common sense. It's not about abilities or specific powers, it's about speed. While Kimimaro "has a better degree of control" it doesn't give him powers equal to KN1 Naruto when he's slower in the first place. Kimimaro also lacks the 3rd tomoe sharingan let alone any sharingan at all.

Base Naruto wasn't trying plus was conserving his chakra for Sasuke, he proceeded to follow Sasuke and have the entire VotE fight after unleashing 1k clones. If he were actually trying and felt like wasting chakra, rasengan spam would finish him. Let alone KN0, or better yet KN1.

Naruto didn't know his powers and he just didn't happen to use a rasnengan in that situation. Point is, KN0 seriously crapped all over Sasuke's speed who was as fast as weightless Lee, and Lee who had his weights on was as fast or faster than Kimi. Then we have, Kimi has no way to hurt him, Naruto has plenty of ways to hurt Kimi, and outlast him. Etc etc.
 

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It's not ABC Logic, it's legit common sense. It's not about abilities or specific powers, it's about speed. While Kimimaro "has a better degree of control" it doesn't give him powers equal to KN1 Naruto when he's slower in the first place. Kimimaro also lacks the 3rd tomoe sharingan let alone any sharingan at all.

Base Naruto wasn't trying plus was conserving his chakra for Sasuke, he proceeded to follow Sasuke and have the entire VotE fight after unleashing 1k clones. If he were actually trying and felt like wasting chakra, rasengan spam would finish him. Let alone KN0, or better yet KN1.

Naruto didn't know his powers and he just didn't happen to use a rasnengan in that situation. Point is, KN0 seriously crapped all over Sasuke's speed who was as fast as weightless Lee, and Lee who had his weights on was as fast or faster than Kimi. Then we have, Kimi has no way to hurt him, Naruto has plenty of ways to hurt Kimi, and outlast him. Etc etc.
This one is beside the main argument, but Kimimaro's body processes the curse seal chakra better than others, this is why he was Orochimaru's backup for a new body, because as we now know, Orochimaru needed a body that could stabalize while taking in nature energy.

Also legit question, WAS lee weighted or weightless when fighting Kimimaro? because I didnt think Lee would still be wearing training weights after being injured and on crutches.

Back on facts though, Nauto can NOT rasengan spam in p1, the most he ever used it was 2-3 times per fight, and that was in the VotE. Using Rasengan took a large toll on him though not as much as Chidori seemed to for Sasuke.

Kimimaro's speed isnt the only thing that makes his taijutsu so formiddable, his kkg allows him to strike from virtually any angle regardless of where his arms/legs are. I think his speed, especially in Cs forms would be enough to keep his head above water but i do know that Naruto's is far superior with one tail. The main point of yours that i dissagree with is that Kimi has NO WAY to hurt Naruto in this form. The vine and flower bone were trolled hard against gaara because of the rediculous density of his defense, naruto has no such defense the chakra cloak is not nearly enough IMO, the vine addition also allows Kimi to immobilize his opponent leading up to the killstroke. I also think naruto would have a hard time finding an answer to Sawarabi No Mai because it attacks such a large area with no distinguishable pattern.

Naruto could certainly hurt Kimi, but the reverse is just as true, btw good argument again
 

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This one is beside the main argument, but Kimimaro's body processes the curse seal chakra better than others, this is why he was Orochimaru's backup for a new body, because as we now know, Orochimaru needed a body that could stabalize while taking in nature energy.

Also legit question, WAS lee weighted or weightless when fighting Kimimaro? because I didnt think Lee would still be wearing training weights after being injured and on crutches.
Yeah, that much is arguable. But that part is kind of the point. He just recovered from mass surgery and was in crutches and his bones were crushed. He wasn't allowed to push himself past the first gate, and ever since the Konoha Invasion arc Lee couldn't train his speed once. Sasuke however, was already at Weightless Lee's speed during the chunin exams so it doesn't matter much, and he attained the 3rd tomoe.

Back on facts though, Nauto can NOT rasengan spam in p1, the most he ever used it was 2-3 times per fight, and that was in the VotE. Using Rasengan took a large toll on him though not as much as Chidori seemed to for Sasuke.
When did using rasengan ever take a large toll on him? Rasengan spam isn't very efficient but using rasengans would kill Kimimaro, he's not stopping KN1 rasengan or KN1's chakra cloak anyway.

Kimimaro's speed isnt the only thing that makes his taijutsu so formiddable, his kkg allows him to strike from virtually any angle regardless of where his arms/legs are. I think his speed, especially in Cs forms would be enough to keep his head above water but i do know that Naruto's is far superior with one tail. The main point of yours that i dissagree with is that Kimi has NO WAY to hurt Naruto in this form. The vine and flower bone were trolled hard against gaara because of the rediculous density of his defense, naruto has no such defense the chakra cloak is not nearly enough IMO, the vine addition also allows Kimi to immobilize his opponent leading up to the killstroke. I also think naruto would have a hard time finding an answer to Sawarabi No Mai because it attacks such a large area with no distinguishable pattern.
Aight, I'll just post the panels.

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Kimimaro can impale him wherever or however he wants, but he has literally no way to put Naruto down for good. Naruto however has tonnes, and the vine and flower would also be useless...considering Naruto has its own independent chakra cloak with a mind of its own.

So if he's surrounded his chakra cloak will just protect him (as he stood in Goukakyu without being touched and by roaring dispersed it entirely) and then an arm will pound Kimimaro in the meantime.

Well sure, I guess Kimi doesn't have NO WAY to hurt him, but only if Naruto reverts back to base mode and sits down and lets Kimimaro do as he pleases which isn't going to happen. Naruto's faster, stronger, has regeneration beyond what Kimimaro can heal.

Here's some more panels, just so I can get my point acros,s, I figured you would have read them in the meantime but maybe not, I think I'll just post a few.

Try and actually read them though, don't just blatantly ignore them and scroll down at hyperspeed like 99% of NB xC

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*virtually any panel of Lee vs Kimi*

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*2 quadrillion panels later*

Soooooooo yeah. Plus, remember Drunken Lee, the first person to ever land a hit on Kimi? Why? Yep, 'cause he's unpredictable and can't be anticipated, and that's without the sharingan. So right thar are you speed comparisons, and pretty much everything essential to why Naruto stomps.

Naruto could certainly hurt Kimi, but the reverse is just as true, btw good argument again
Yeah, yours too^^
 

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Originally Posted by Joki
Yeah, yours too^^

LOL omg so many panels posted (Dont worry i did read them all lol) but definitely +rep for all that evidence it literally backed up every claim you made about speed feats. I have to admit I can't match a post like that lol, but the variable that the panels don;t really include is the aspect of the curse mark, you never really get to see how much of a difference it makes for Sasuke because he only activates it for a very short time before the final chidorisengan clash, but to ME this implied that this transformation + his already existing 3tomoe enables him to match Naruto's power (but to each his own opinion on that conclusion.) (unfortunately, CS2 Sasuke has no speed feats in part 1)

In regards to Kimimaro, I was also under the impression that Drunken Lee was able to hit kimimaro not because of his speed, but because of how unpredictable he was, he began to fail harshly and kimimaro commented on how he is visibly sobering up. Also, afte only being hit ONCE, Kimi activates his KKG and Lee is no longer able to damage him and instead injurs himself with each attempt, even when trying to use the Omoto Renge (Which need i remind you, requires Lee to be weightless, as he was agains Gaara.) My conclusion to this part being, that Lee acctually was only any threat to Kimimaro in base because of his momentary drunken unpredictability.

In terms of power scaling, this will also seem like A>B>C logic i suppose but Lee commented on how much surprisingly stronger Gaara had become since they had last fought, and that his sand reacts faster now. But Kimimaro was still able to dodge it completely until being pinned down by the feet and having it rained on him. This leads me to believe that Kimimaro's speed in base form is comparable if not < Sasuke's speed in 2Tomoe form.

Now about the Curse Seal speed, I have here an early page showing that the curse seal, even in its first form, grants a substantial speed boost




With kimimaro's already impressive base speed (better than any young persons base speed minus possibly a healthy lee.) and the ability to transform not once but twice with the curse seal I think he could withstand Naruto's top speed assault.

Not sure if It makes a difference because i took FOREVER looing for the right pages and ended up typing out most of it instead of posting pages lol. but yeah agree to dissagree i guess haha
 
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LOL omg so many panels posted (Dont worry i did read them all lol) but definitely +rep for all that evidence it literally backed up every claim you made about speed feats. I have to admit I can't match a post like that lol, but the variable that the panels don;t really include is the aspect of the curse mark, you never really get to see how much of a difference it makes for Sasuke because he only activates it for a very short time before the final chidorisengan clash, but to ME this implied that this transformation + his already existing 3tomoe enables him to match Naruto's power (but to each his own opinion on that conclusion.) (unfortunately, CS2 Sasuke has no speed feats in part 1)
Yeah lol, ehh I don't think I'm that good but yeah. I'm just glad you didn't quote it lol. I don't usually say things without having the proof to back it up, but just because I didn't post the scans didn't mean they weren't proven, it's just troublesome to have to go and get all those scans when I know I'm right about what happened in them anyway. :p

Remember that Sasuke only had CS2 on for a minute or so? Once he activated it and fought for little to no time he was talking about how much of a toll it took and he couldn't stay in it for long. And after a short fight with 2 special jonins, all of the sound 4 were so exhausted from CS2 and couldn't even move their bodies. So once Naruto lasts for a few minutes with Kimimaro he would be too easily outlasted.

And yeah, Naruto would have beaten Sasuke there so even with CS2 boosted Chidori it wasn't enough. Sasuke said, "You won't even be able to scratch my headband, that much hasn't changed" as he put on his headband as a challenge. Naruto aimed for Sasuke's headband instead of aiming to actually attack when they clashed which is why Sasuke won that time. So, it's not really a "win" anyway lol

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In regards to Kimimaro, I was also under the impression that Drunken Lee was able to hit kimimaro not because of his speed, but because of how unpredictable he was, he began to fail harshly and kimimaro commented on how he is visibly sobering up. Also, afte only being hit ONCE, Kimi activates his KKG and Lee is no longer able to damage him and instead injurs himself with each attempt, even when trying to use the Omoto Renge (Which need i remind you, requires Lee to be weightless, as he was agains Gaara.) My conclusion to this part being, that Lee acctually was only any threat to Kimimaro in base because of his momentary drunken unpredictability.
Yeah exactly. That's why I'm saying, Naruto's chakra cloak will be impossible to follow because it has a mind of its own and is unpredictable. Like I posted, 3 tomoe Sasuke effortlessly kept up with KN0 at that time, when he went to KN1 not even Sasuke could anticipate the chakra cloak's moves, so Kimimaro would be able to? Plus he was slower than Lee or around equal, but hey it's just base Lee anyway.

He tried to use Omote Renge and outsped Kimimaro like no tomorrow when he tried. He could only use the 1st gate though, and as he kicked Kimimaro he just used the bones to take the kick. It's kind of a different case with a bijuu cloak powered rasengan or a corrosive jinchuriki chakra cloak.
In terms of power scaling, this will also seem like A>B>C logic i suppose but Lee commented on how much surprisingly stronger Gaara had become since they had last fought, and that his sand reacts faster now. But Kimimaro was still able to dodge it completely until being pinned down by the feet and having it rained on him. This leads me to believe that Kimimaro's speed in base form is comparable if not < Sasuke's speed in 2Tomoe form.
True^^. It's not ABC logic though it's pretty valid, ABC logic is just thinking a character beats another character because they won against someone the other person lost to. It can't really be applied to speed since it's just 1 straight category that's comparable.

He;s pretty quick of course considering he kept up with base Lee either way, and yeah. 2 tomoe Sasuke is far inferior to the 3 tomoe though like my spamfest showed, so Kimimaro just won't be able to keep up with Naruto in the first place.
Now about the Curse Seal speed, I have here an early page showing that the curse seal, even in its first form, grants a substantial speed boost

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With kimimaro's already impressive base speed (better than any young persons base speed minus possibly a healthy lee.) and the ability to transform not once but twice with the curse seal I think he could withstand Naruto's top speed assault.

Not sure if It makes a difference because i took FOREVER looing for the right pages and ended up typing out most of it instead of posting pages lol. but yeah agree to dissagree i guess haha[/QUOTE]
Yeah exactly, see how annoyin git is to get pages rofl. But yeah, it's not so much about "withstanding Naruto's top speed assault" but the curse seal is exhausting and Naruto is a beast, Kimi doesn't really have any ways to put him down for good while he'll constantly be on the defensive. The bones won't protect against his chakra cloak too well or a rasengan especially KN1 rasengan, Naruto can just keep on him.
 

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Yeah exactly, see how annoyin git is to get pages rofl. But yeah, it's not so much about "withstanding Naruto's top speed assault" but the curse seal is exhausting and Naruto is a beast, Kimi doesn't really have any ways to put him down for good while he'll constantly be on the defensive. The bones won't protect against his chakra cloak too well or a rasengan especially KN1 rasengan, Naruto can just keep on him.

Haha I only quoted a small paragraph this time to be safe, i agree with what you a lot of what you are saying, but the one point i was trying to make, which relates to what you said abbout the CS2, is that Kimimaro is the one person who CAN sustain his CS2 form, The 4 were exhausted after using it for a short time, Sasuke was only able to use it for a few moments, but Kimimaro can realistically stay in this form for the entire duration of a fight, again, this is what made him seem so promising to Oro. he kept it active all the way through until succumbing to disease (he even died without reverting his form).

By point being, Kimi's CS2 is in a different league to the 4 or sasuke's at this point in time. what i meant about "withstanding" naruto's assault is that Kimimaros body is immeasurably more durable than sasuke's, Kimimaro uses bone armor beneath his skin and can manipulate its density, So in my mind, the chakra cloak/arm/claw strikes that pummled sasuke would have considerably less effectiveness against an heavily armored opponent. Still, this argument does put kimi on the defensive which goes with your argument.

You brought up a good point about his regeneration from being stabbed through the lung, but what stands out to me is the fact that Kimimaro's "flower" when fully expanded is about as broad as a whole torso, being run through with that would be much more damaging than something as small as Sasuke's forearm, am i making sense there? the size of the attack makes me think that it could split a person in two as likely as it would simply impale them.

And speaking of impalement, do you think naruto would recover from MULTIPLE, simultaneous impalements? I hate to say that Sawarabi no Mai is more powerful just because Kimi saved it until absolutely the last minute butttt what are your thought??
 

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Haha I only quoted a small paragraph this time to be safe, i agree with what you a lot of what you are saying, but the one point i was trying to make, which relates to what you said abbout the CS2, is that Kimimaro is the one person who CAN sustain his CS2 form, The 4 were exhausted after using it for a short time, Sasuke was only able to use it for a few moments, but Kimimaro can realistically stay in this form for the entire duration of a fight, again, this is what made him seem so promising to Oro. he kept it active all the way through until succumbing to disease (he even died without reverting his form).

By point being, Kimi's CS2 is in a different league to the 4 or sasuke's at this point in time. what i meant about "withstanding" naruto's assault is that Kimimaros body is immeasurably more durable than sasuke's, Kimimaro uses bone armor beneath his skin and can manipulate its density, So in my mind, the chakra cloak/arm/claw strikes that pummled sasuke would have considerably less effectiveness against an heavily armored opponent. Still, this argument does put kimi on the defensive which goes with your argument.

You brought up a good point about his regeneration from being stabbed through the lung, but what stands out to me is the fact that Kimimaro's "flower" when fully expanded is about as broad as a whole torso, being run through with that would be much more damaging than something as small as Sasuke's forearm, am i making sense there? the size of the attack makes me think that it could split a person in two as likely as it would simply impale them.

And speaking of impalement, do you think naruto would recover from MULTIPLE, simultaneous impalements? I hate to say that Sawarabi no Mai is more powerful just because Kimi saved it until absolutely the last minute butttt what are your thought??
Kimi can sustain it sure, it's just that Naruto is faster, stronger and won't be hit by him and be able to outlast him going by that.

Kimimaro's durable sure, but his bones won't stop him from still taking the attack. Corrosive chakra cloak+bijuu cloak powered rasengan would be too much for him, and the chakra protects Naruto so he can easily get a hit in when Kimimaro wouldn't be able to. I know he took being crushed under pressure fine and all but he can't take a rasengan, remember what a regular one did to the water tank? That's how it works, it doesn't care about bones.

And yeah you make sense but Kimimaro would never hit Naruto with that. He was appearing behind 3 tomoe Sasuke before he could react and he could barely keep up with KN1. And there's the whole speed comparison about before, I'm preeeeeeety sure Naruto's rasengan will trump his flower spear. His chakra cloak can divert it even 2 inches, rasengan will blast through. It broke on Gaara's defense, I don't know if it's considered downplaying it but it's not exactly the most impressive and Rasengan could get through that, even Kakashi felts its chakra from a ways away and...*directs to water tank again*.

Naruto can regenerate from pretty much anything that doesn't kill him, I mean, getting impaled through your entire right lung is a pretty impressive thing to regenerate instantly. If he used his sawaribi no mai on Naruto, he's not restricted to having to stand there while they pierce through everything. He can jump, and if worse comes to worse, yeah he would probably regenerate the damage, the bones were pretty spread out anyway.

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So Naruto has speed advantage, power advantage and will be pushing Kimi on the defensive ,and potential to outlast him, and if he gets one hit in Kimimaro'd be dead. Naruto has ridiculous regen skills and Kimi really doesn't have anything too capable here to take him out or put him down for good when he can keep fighting. 3 tomoe can't anticipate the cloak, so Drunken Lee landing a hit for being "unpredictable" doesn't exactly help Kimi either.
 

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I'm going with Naruto. VotE Sasuke was stronger than Kimimaro IMO and Naruto was basically on par with Sasuke if not stronger. They clashed to end it though so yeah. Plus Kurama would mostly help out against Kimimaro considering his bones are so sharp.
 

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So Naruto has speed advantage, power advantage and will be pushing Kimi on the defensive ,and potential to outlast him, and if he gets one hit in Kimimaro'd be dead. Naruto has ridiculous regen skills and Kimi really doesn't have anything too capable here to take him out or put him down for good when he can keep fighting. 3 tomoe can't anticipate the cloak, so Drunken Lee landing a hit for being "unpredictable" doesn't exactly help Kimi either.
Ahh only just got back and I'm exhausted lol, anyway I won't say much because weve both already said a lot and I respect your points, just out of curiosity though, do you think Rasengan would have pierced Gaara's Ultimate Shukakku Shield? Chidori? IMO "Chidori Lament" or "Vermillion Rasengan" (As they are referred to in Ninja Storm when you play as one tailed Naruto or Cs2 Sasuke) would be able to make dents, as kimimaro did, but still not cut all the way through. I really wish Gaara had used it more than ONCE lol, Gaara is my main man and I wish he had more iconic moves to talk about, yknow? It's like his whole fighting style gets boiled down to "getting through his sand defense" or "being crushed by his sand control" . This is honestly not at all related to our topic anymore sorry lol.
 
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