Don't look in his eyes!!! ( Tsukuyomi )

[Maunten]

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So tsukuyomi, I found out a few things about it from some well informed NB posters, the manga and the second data book.

So I'll go through it then I'll ask you to give a reasonable battle craft for how someone can combat a tsukuyomi user who has mastered fully and has intelligence levels as high as Itachi's.

I will go through the list in pros and cons.

Pros

The user can fully control the space and time in the genjutsu realm, logic and common sense does not matter in that mental realm as it is totally under the control of the user (It would have been cool if itachi used this to teach someone a large amount of information very quickly).

The time that the victim believes they're under tsukuyomi can be for years when tsukuyomi is fully mastered.

The full effects of tsukuyomi torture when used by a master would leave a victim paralyzed, in a coma, severely psychologically damaged or all three.

Very little preparation.

Tsukuyomi lasts for a few seconds in the real world despite the fact that it can feel like an eternity in the genjutsu realm for the victim, meaning that it is near impossible to dispel in time without the use of powerful automatic techs to force the user out of eye contact and range, there is also not enough time to disrupt the victims chakra.

Less chakra is required for tsukuyomi to simply knock someone out temporarily as opposed to causing severe psychological damage, meaning tsukuyomi that does not fully deplete the chakra of the user can be used during battle.


Cons

(Not many, but the few can be taken advantage of)

Eye contact is a necessary but not sufficient condition for tsukuyomi, meaning that eye contact + activation of tsukuyomi is required for the victim to fall under it, therefore heightened reaction time is required for tsukuyomi to be used efficiently in a high speed battle against someone who is aware of the conditions.

Tsukuyomi can be fought by elite users of the sharingan without them having tsukuyomi, I believe KA is more powerful than tsukuyomi because of how much more deceptive it is, preventing the victim from fighting against it in anyway.

Using tsukuyomi to the extent that the victim is in a coma "uses amazingly high levels" of chakra (qouted words from data book 2)
forcing the tsukuyomi user to use around half of their chakra, possibly through susanoo defense summoning, should prohibit the use of a critically damaging tsukuyomi, this method can not be used efficiently against someone with rapidly replenishing chakra (edo).

Tsukuyomi not used to it's fullest capacity may not be enough to knock the victim out if they have a high pain threshold.

tsukuyomi can not be used efficiently unless the user knows which form of torture will be effective.


SO!!?

How do you fight a tsukuyomi master? Btw I am open to making alterations if my information is completely incorrect.

 

[-Logic-]

Nice job, and Itachi rules.​

 

[Maunten]

Nice job, and Itachi rules.​

Thanks.

 

[RoguePatriot]

nice post
and Tsukuyomi is my fav jutsu <3

 

[Kettei]

Nice job, and Itachi rules.​

Yes yes he does.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Ok,I read it, and what now?

 

[Naruto N. Uzumaki]

people still forget it needs time to be prepared

 

[Maunten]

people still forget it needs time to be prepared

Really!? I didn't know that I thought you just needed to have a very large amount of chakra left to use it.

Ok,I read it, and what now?

Basically I am asking which shino have the fire power to force a tsukuyomi master to use up a lot of their chakra so that maximum tsukuyomi can't be used.

Or how a sensor type can fight a tsukuyomi master, it's just me pointing out the pros and cons so that people formulate the best steps for someone fighting a tsukuyomi master to take.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Pretty simple, don't make eye contact...There was an Naruto Episode where Kakshi and Guy fought Itachi and they had to look at Itachi's feet so as to not fall into his Genjutsu traps.

IMO though something more effective can be done, the Shadow Clone Technique could be used to fight directly while the user fights from in the shadows.

 

[natssuu]

Well someone who can predict opponents movements by just looking at his feet. Gai is the only one who was said to be able to do this.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Ok,I read it, and what now?

haha this ^^

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

Well someone who can predict opponents movements by just looking at his feet. Gai is the only one who was said to be able to do this.

I think if Gai can do it, others could too. There are numerous ninja who can read body motions, this is just more specific.

 

[Overrated]

The time that the victim believes they're under tsukuyomi can be for years when tsukuyomi is fully mastered.

Never heard of this. Itachi could leave a person there for 3 days at the most. Source?

 

[Maunten]

A lot of you are saying just look at the feet but really the price to pay for accidentally looking into the eyes are pretty high it's like fighting medusa, apparently it is a short range genjutsu so maybe keeping far away and using powerful long range jutsu can overcome it.

Never heard of this. Itachi could leave a person there for 3 days at the most. Source?

A master of tsukuyomi has full control of space and time, itachi does not keep kakashi in there for three days, just it feels like three days, time can be stretched so that it feels like years but it takes larger amounts of chakra.

I'll find the link now.

 

[~Yubel~]

I didn´t look, i swear.O_O

 

[Overrated]

A lot of you are saying just look at the feet but really the price to pay for accidentally looking into the eyes are pretty high it's like fighting medusa, apparently it is a short range genjutsu so maybe keeping far away and using powerful long range jutsu can overcome it.



A master of tsukuyomi has full control of space and time, itachi does not keep kakashi in there for three days, just it feels like three days, time can be stretched so that it feels like years but it takes larger amounts of chakra.

I'll find the link now.

I know how Tsukuyomi woks, 1 second in the real world could be many hours or days in the world of tsukuyomi. Years just sounds ridiculous, since the average shinobi would suffer a mental breakdown probably in a few hours.

 

[Dantee]

Good work mauten. ^.

 

[Maunten]

I know how Tsukuyomi woks, 1 second in the real world could be many hours or days in the world of tsukuyomi. Years just sounds ridiculous, since the average shinobi would suffer a mental breakdown probably in a few hours.

Oh I see what you mean, if you check my post I state the person is a tsukuyomi master who has the "intelligence" of Itachi (or something like that), I don't think itachi could use tsukuyomi to its fullest extent (i.e as described in the data book) either because he is ill or he does not have senju level chakra or he simply chose not to as it would mean the permanent mental damage of the victim and itachi is not evil.

I am talking about a tsukuyomi master who has blood lust, how do you fight him.

You are right though most shino would lose consciousness before years pass ending the genjutsu.

Good work mauten. ^.

Thank you xd

 

[Helikido]

Ok,I read it, and what now?

Quit being a d*ck bro...

To mauten I think it all depends on how much chakra the user poors in it... and their skill in the genjutsu.... example....

Sasuke poors more chakra in his but it is nowhere near as good as itachis while and vice versa..

 

[Maunten]

"Databook 2 - Tsukuyomi:
NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI; Tsukuyomi
User: Uchiha Itachi
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: none

Main text

Amidst the insight and hypnosis possessed by Sharingan, is a supreme genjutsu, born from the aforementioned hypnosis: Tsukuyomi. Originally, people on the face of the Earth live bound by limitations like time, gravity, and space; and how people exert their abilities within those restrictions is what separates the victors from the vanquished. But in the mental world where the caster drags their opponent, the Tsukuyomi jutsu gives them control over those very limitations!

Namely, this means inside the genjutsu, the physical world's common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible. Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands. Some time, they will undergo the torments of Hell, and some other time, they will be repeatedly shown a horrendous, hellish picture of agony and mayhem*, with no idea of when either of those will end. As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches...!! Even a body made of iron or the speed of light are powerless before this jutsu, which is the reason why it is feared as the most powerful.

Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labelled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. Once could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes.

Captions

-An inner hell as eternal as Heaven and Earth. The grip held onto the principles of all creation thoroughly annihilates one's heart and soul!!

-The ultimate doujutsu made possible only by Mangekyou Sharingan.

Picture comments

-The moment the adversary is exposed to Mangekyou Sharingan, a strange realm as they've never seen before extends before their eyes. In there, the world's principles themselves obey the caster's beck and call.

-Since attacks in the spiritual realm have no power to physically wound or kill, it bestows an unfathomable amount of mental damage.

-Only those of Uchiha blood... Does it mean only Sasuke has a chance to break a Tsukuyomi?

-The phenomena that happen inside of the mental realm are entirely the caster's to command. Which is to say, the images shown or the actions taken can be changed according to the opponent in order to yield maximum efficiency."

Sorry man I could not find the link but I'll try to upload it, when I get back home.