Nagato can not defeat Hashi of Madara

[Mercury Uzumaki]

LOL whatever chair you want the man coudn't walk.....Come on fellas you guys can figureit out..

 

[Owarij]

Professor X's wheelchair floated to lol he was sill in a wheelchair.Hashi and Madara are a lot smarter and battle tested than Nagato also. Itachi had never seen Nagato battle but figured him out pretty quickly. Im sure madara and Hashi would do the same.

None of the paths were as fast as Naruto in SM it was the shared vision that helped him.

It is safe to assume that mobile Nagato would be than the wheelchair one but there was no mobile Nagato after he summoned the Gedo Mazo. Just kabuto's Edo puppet

there is no mobile nagato.. If a battle starts between nagato and hashirama, he will summon the bird.. just like he did in the manga...
he can barely walk, but you think he can't stand?

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

there is no mobile nagato.. If a battle starts between nagato and hashirama, he will summon the bird.. just like he did in the manga...
he can barely walk, but you think he can't stand?

Agreed and like the thought.Makes sense.

 

[Capn FlapJak]

Im starting to see a trend here. Have we seen Nagato fly in his wheelchair? No.
Naruto took out all his paths in SM , so to say that Hashi and Madara cant in my opinion is rediculous. His paths can die..And just to attack Nagato hurts himself as well as when he was edo and compleately powered up we Saw Itachi seal him. Hashi was great at sealing jutsu's and could use Multiple clones. there is no doubt in my mind Hashi was a great tactionist he was one of the few to create his own Jutsu and had more battle experience than Itachi.

Forget having shared vision when your fighting 25 to 50 clones. Or more. Naruto took out the paths with less clones than this..

Really there is nothing to say he can't fly in a wheel chair the matter is matter which gravity has a affect on which nagato controls if any 1 could fly in a wheel chair it's him.I mean I have seen his gravity do and move bigger things

 

[TobisPawn]

Mobility isn't a problem when you can defend against any attack they send at you, without even moving.. as well as when you have shared eye vision with your 5+ summonings..

Mobility isn't a problem when you can fly...
when you can go invisible..

These guys don't have any hope. 0_0 There's like 3 different threads in which they're getting owned right now...LOL

 

[Capn FlapJak]

Im starting to see a trend here. Have we seen Nagato fly in his wheelchair? No.
Naruto took out all his paths in SM , so to say that Hashi and Madara cant in my opinion is rediculous. His paths can die..And just to attack Nagato hurts himself as well as when he was edo and compleately powered up we Saw Itachi seal him. Hashi was great at sealing jutsu's and could use Multiple clones. there is no doubt in my mind Hashi was a great tactionist he was one of the few to create his own Jutsu and had more battle experience than Itachi.

Forget having shared vision when your fighting 25 to 50 clones. Or more. Naruto took out the paths with less clones than this..

Really there is nothing to say he can't fly in a wheel chair the chair is matter which gravity has a affect on which nagato controls if any 1 could fly in a wheel chair it's him.I mean I have seen his gravity do and move bigger things

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

These guys don't have any hope. 0_0 There's like 3 different threads in which they're getting owned right now...LOL

LOL.....The Facts tell the story not always the majority! stop it with your funny remarks. At one time the Majority said the world was flat too....lol, but thank you for the laugh

 

[Owarij]

These guys don't have any hope. 0_0 There's like 3 different threads in which they're getting owned right now...LOL

Sigh, there simply isn't any possible argument to bring forth, that would show Hashirama > Nagato..

Barely any ninjas shown in the manga can go against him..

 

[TobisPawn]

LOL.....The Facts tell the story not always the majority! stop it with your funny remarks. At one time the Majority said the world was flat too....lol, but thank you for the laugh

Facts? What facts has the manga shown to allow Hashirama to counter the Rinnegan?

Sigh, there simply isn't any possible argument to bring forth, that would show Hashirama > Nagato..

Barely any ninjas shown in the manga can go against him..

Yeah, people underrate the Rinnegan too much. It can absorb any Ninjutsu, repel any attack, attract (lol) anyone, rip souls out, summon crazy summons, practically see anything, and send these huge lasers and missiles everywhere, and yet its still underrated.

 

[Owarij]

Facts? What facts has the manga shown to allow Hashirama to counter the Rinnegan?




Yeah, people underrate the Rinnegan too much. It can absorb any Ninjutsu, repel any attack, attract (lol) anyone, rip souls out, summon crazy summons, practically see anything, and send these huge lasers and missiles everywhere, and yet its still underrated.

Mastery of all ninjutsu, genjutsu, Reviving the dead, changing weather patterns, and on top of it all Nagato has the high chakra amounts, sensor skills etc

sigh

 

[TobisPawn]

Mastery of all ninjutsu, genjutsu, Reviving the dead, changing weather patterns, and on top of it all Nagato has the high chakra amounts, sensor skills etc

sigh

And people still say Mokuton > Nagato...LOL

 

[sytren]

Nagato is not on the level of Hashi or Madara. Still kinda crazy that people believe this.... I think again people think of Nagato as Edo Nagato and not the real Nagato in the wheelchair.

Madara
Nagato could not take on Madara/Madara andthe 9 tails. Look at the issues the fox gave him with 8 tails. Nagato himself aid he did not expect the 9 tails to be so powerful and fighting it sapped a huge portion of Nagato's chakra.These are faqs not just my opionion. Would be very interesting If you put Nagao in Hashi's place and had Madara + 9 tails fight Nagato. There would be no chance for Nagato to win.Madara did take some of Hashi's cells when he was alive so we don't know the exstint but we know that he could use mokuton.Madara did unlock the Rinnegan when he was alive also and has the same paths as Nagato+Ems abilities and from what we have seen now a perfect sasuno.There is no way Nagato to win this battle. And were not talkingabout Edo Madara or Edo Nagato. Either EMS Madara w/9tails or Madara Rinnegan/Mokuton/EMS

Hashirama
Now On to Hashi. It's very hard to compare him when we have seen so little about the man. But seeing the power of Mokuton coupled with his feats: Establishing Konoha,Capturing "Multiple" tailed beast and distributing them to various nations, Becoming the 1st Hokage by defeating Madara, and when you look up Hashirama Senju it also tells you as Hokage he came across a Scroll filled with among other skills,various Kinjutsu which he sealed to keep the techs a secret.So we really don't even know what the man s capable of and he was already amazing. This is the same man who defeated Madara and the 9 tails at the same time.Nagato had issues just fighting the fox with 6 tails.Kishi also made it very clear how powerful he was through Kabuto.

Nagato
I think some of you people need to either go back and re-read the manga because you forget that the real Nagato Used the paths because summoning the Gedo Maza left him with chakra rods embedded him his back , and fighting Honzo injured his legs crippling his mobility.Pain was in a wheelchair.....He had issues fighting SM Naruto and a 6 tailed fox.People say he could have won the fight if he wanted but forget the condition that Nagato was actually in when Naruto found him.He was almost depleated of Chakra and energy.Nagato uses his life energy for his techs which leaves him in almost dead from using his ability to many times.Nagato is amazing still but there is a common misconception that Edo Nagato was the real Nagato and thats Bs. That's Fanboys wanting to make themselves and there arguments right. We also have to remember Nagato followed Tobi before Tobi was as strong as he is today.Tobi was always the True leader of the akatsuki which he means was most likely the stronger.

Other people Nagato Can't defeat are: Naruto,Tobi,Kabuto,and Maybe Minato and EMS Sasuke
Would say Itachi if he had more chakra.

Alright i'm just gonna go with the Madara with the nine tails...first of all I think you are forgetting that Nagato had already use alot of his chakra attacking the city and blowing up the entire village. And then he had to fight naruto SM and the tails and blah blah. Also he wasn't trying to kill naruto or else when he pinned him down stabbing through his hands which led to 6 tails awakening he could have flat out killed him then. But didn't. Soooo I think that Nagato using the paths would be able to down Madara and the ninetails.

Now as for Hashi...you can't really base a vs match based on someone feats...I mean if you did that then what about all the other 1st kages that started villages and stuff? Cleary they did alot of feats but they aren't even worth being talked about in the manga. The only battle we've seen of Hashi was in the video game and that wasn't based on anything from kishi so i dont even count that at all.

 

[NOemotions]

Facts? What facts has the manga shown to allow Hashirama to counter the Rinnegan?




Yeah, people underrate the Rinnegan too much. It can absorb any Ninjutsu, repel any attack, attract (lol) anyone, rip souls out, summon crazy summons, practically see anything, and send these huge lasers and missiles everywhere, and yet its still underrated.

Mastery of all ninjutsu, genjutsu, Reviving the dead, changing weather patterns, and on top of it all Nagato has the high chakra amounts, sensor skills etc

sigh

And people still say Mokuton > Nagato...LOL

Lol agree with this. And whoever is saying nagato can't keep up with 8-9tails is Bshit.. He always tried to capture it, not kill, dozens of plots owned nagato,.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Facts? What facts has the manga shown to allow Hashirama to counter the Rinnegan?




Yeah, people underrate the Rinnegan too much. It can absorb any Ninjutsu, repel any attack, attract (lol) anyone, rip souls out, summon crazy summons, practically see anything, and send these huge lasers and missiles everywhere, and yet its still underrated.

What fact's say he can't. We do know who Kishi the writer Hyped more though.

And He's underrated because he's not #3 ??LOL GTFoH I said he was #6 on my list no underrating Nagato here.

You can think what you like its pretty clear from what Kishi has given us what the answer to this question is anyways.

I just wanted to give a few different point of view.

I don't think I have seen Nagato underrated on NB to many times.Just cause you don't agree dosn't meanwere underrating him.Top 1 to top 10 are all amazing for different reasons.Like I said earlier he was 6th on my list.

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Alright i'm just gonna go with the Madara with the nine tails...first of all I think you are forgetting that Nagato had already use alot of his chakra attacking the city and blowing up the entire village. And then he had to fight naruto SM and the tails and blah blah. Also he wasn't trying to kill naruto or else when he pinned him down stabbing through his hands which led to 6 tails awakening he could have flat out killed him then. But didn't. Soooo I think that Nagato using the paths would be able to down Madara and the ninetails.

Now as for Hashi...you can't really base a vs match based on someone feats...I mean if you did that then what about all the other 1st kages that started villages and stuff? Cleary they did alot of feats but they aren't even worth being talked about in the manga. The only battle we've seen of Hashi was in the video game and that wasn't based on anything from kishi so i dont even count that at all.

We'll said. What do you think about Madara with Rinnegan and Hashi cells?

 

[Capn FlapJak]

This is the problem the op if I recall agrees that nagato can beat madara and the 1th but only the edo form so ya ..but edo nagato is nagato the way he died everything he can do nagato can do like itach edo is no diff from living itach they can just heal and have no chakra limit I think.The only edo who can't b used that well to base an idea off is madara cause kabuki said he made him better then his prime.If u never said edo nagato could win then disregard this lol btw it's a debate who cares who's right or wrong we probably won't change peoples minds or our own.

 

[Stark]

Celestial Terra Blast?

Preta path absorbing every technique they have?

Chou Shinra Tensei?

5 elements?

Flying in the air?

Asura path armour?

Gedo and Ceberus?

They cant do anything to Nagato because all of their techniques are ninjutsu and they cant try Taijutsu as Shinra Tensei would blow them away.Asura path would be shooting missles as well as spamming rivers of water at them.This is assuming Nagato plays fair and stays on the ground as he can just fly in the air spamming attacks

Omg not you too, Nagato has no combat experience and Madara has the same abilities Nagato has and more. Want a friendly debat?xd

 

[Capn FlapJak]

We'll said. What do you think about Madara with Rinnegan and Hashi cells?

A no go lol I think

 

[Capn FlapJak]

Omg not you too, Nagato has no combat experience and Madara has the same abilities Nagato has and more. Want a friendly debat?xd

I doubt he meant the madara with rinnegan probably meant ems

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

This is the problem the op if I recall agrees that nagato can beat madara and the 1th but only the edo form so ya ..but edo nagato is nagato the way he died everything he can do nagato can do like itach edo is no diff from living itach they can just heal and have no chakra limit I think.The only edo who can't b used that well to base an idea off is madara cause kabuki said he made him better then his prime.If u never said edo nagato could win then disregard this lol btw it's a debate who cares who's right or wrong we probably won't change peoples minds or our own.

I think your right about the last part lol. But we can always agree to disagree
Really dosn't matter anyways we will never know unless Kishi makes them fight which will never happen.