Nagato can not defeat Hashi of Madara

[timmo]

At what point in the anime was Nagato prime?

And is he stronger than Madara with rinnegan/ems/hashi cells?I guess prime madara. Or even ems Madara w/ 9 tails summon? Just say Hashi and Nagato switched places!

I agree with most of what you said though, just want you opinion.

I would say Nagato's prime was just before Hanzo damaged his legs (which was a silly way). I believe Nagato would win against Madara w/ 9 tails, remember Nagato has the Gedo Mazou dragon which can simply one hit almost everything (it wouldn't be "easy", not sure about the 1 hit kill on 9 tails though).

Madara with rinnegan/ems/hashi cells is a tough one so I dunno... this is all jjust a guessing game anyway since we don't know how strong Nagato, Hashi and Madara (without rinne) REALLY was.

But for Kishi to paint out Nagato as a ninja who can only be defeated against several strong shinobi while being CRIPPLED really makes you think how unbelievably strong Nagato must have been.

 

[Owarij]

The anime never stated what age Madara was when he got the rinnegan it he just said he got it before he died.We don't know what his plan was or what his age was maybe he died as part of his ultimate plan, but thats something we don't know.The gedo mazo would have it's hands full wiith the complete sasuno and madara would finish Nagato off.

Even if u use prime Madara he also has the Nine tails. How does Nagato beat the nine tails,perfect sasunoo, and Madara with his EMS abilities?

Patra path can spam shinra tensai all day but not only will this deplete his chakra but who would be defending Nagato? Madara and Hashi would make quick work of the other paths.And since where Taking Nagato in his prime lets take Hashi when he had the tailed beast...How does even nagato fight 3 tailed beast,mokuton,and Hashi's clones at the same time. Hashi can use makuton like arms for all his swordsand there is no way Nagato could deflect constant blows. Shinra tensai still has a 5 second period inbetween.

Nowhere does it state it dosn't take chakra to control the Gedo Mazo either. If that was the case tobi would be fighting with it at the same time as the tailed best.

And what happens after preta path get taken out?then what? Its kinda ludacris to think Naruto could take the paths out in SM and Hashi and Madara cannot.

How does Nagato get past 100 clones that can all use makuton and bringer of darkness? if the battle started in a ield 100 yards apart, how does Nagato protect himself the whole time he's controlling the Gedo mazo and controlling his paths?

What are you talking about? this isn't about the paths.. this is about Nagato.. There is a huge difference..

- Anime? Madara himself stated he unlocked his rinnegan shortly before he died, He lived long enough to know nagato in the second great ninja war.. Do the Math as to when he got it

Rephrase your argument to Nagato plz, and not the paths

But the sand was still there. Which would imply that if nagato absorbed the chakra in the wood it would also be there because its a physical object. Now lets say hashi makes a giant forest to fall onto nagato, he may be able to absorb the chakra but the wood will still be there. and would still hit him.
Nagato would then repel it but since hashi can create forests in an instant (chap 575 page 2-3) while nagato has to wait 5 seconds to repel again

The sand is there because its sand , infused with chakra... All preta can absorb is chakra... thus once the chakra was absorbed, the snad just fell..

As far as I remember , Hashirama can't "make wood drop on someone, the wood is all connected in a tree/branch form, If he can't control it, if it's drained of chakra , what's the point?

He also doesn't have to repel anything.. The wood is dead, anywhere he goes it's dead, so what's the point of repeling it? Do you see how he uses his wood?

 

[Rovian]

Wow can't believe that many people voted for Nagato to win, LOL!

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

I would say Nagato's prime was just before Hanzo damaged his legs (which was a silly way). I believe Nagato would win against Madara w/ 9 tails, remember Nagato has the Gedo Mazou dragon which can simply one hit almost everything (it wouldn't be "easy", not sure about the 1 hit kill on 9 tails though).

Madara with rinnegan/ems/hashi cells is a tough one so I dunno... this is all jjust a guessing game anyway since we don't know how strong Nagato, Hashi and Madara (without rinne) REALLY was.

But for Kishi to paint out Nagato as a ninja who can only be defeated against several strong shinobi while being CRIPPLED really makes you think how unbelievably strong Nagato must have been.

Agreed! Nagato is amazing one way or the other.

Not sure about him taking on Madara and 9 tails at one time though. keep in mind there is still a perfect sasunoo attacking,maybe the gedo mazo would be fighting that battle but after Madara took out a few paths what to stop him from using Genjutsu. Although I doubt it would work on Nagato directly. And i do have to keep in Mind Nagato has summons also while that path us alive...

 

[Ryuu..]

The anime never stated what age Madara was when he got the rinnegan it he just said he got it before he died.We don't know what his plan was or what his age was maybe he died as part of his ultimate plan, but thats something we don't know.The gedo mazo would have it's hands full wiith the complete sasuno and madara would finish Nagato off.

Even if u use prime Madara he also has the Nine tails. How does Nagato beat the nine tails,perfect sasunoo, and Madara with his EMS abilities?

Patra path can spam shinra tensai all day but not only will this deplete his chakra but who would be defending Nagato? Madara and Hashi would make quick work of the other paths.And since where Taking Nagato in his prime lets take Hashi when he had the tailed beast...How does even nagato fight 3 tailed beast,mokuton,and Hashi's clones at the same time. Hashi can use makuton like arms for all his swordsand there is no way Nagato could deflect constant blows. Shinra tensai still has a 5 second period inbetween.

Nowhere does it state it dosn't take chakra to control the Gedo Mazo either. If that was the case tobi would be fighting with it at the same time as the tailed best.

And what happens after preta path get taken out?then what? Its kinda ludacris to think Naruto could take the paths out in SM and Hashi and Madara cannot.

How does Nagato get past 100 clones that can all use makuton and bringer of darkness? if the battle started in a ield 100 yards apart, how does Nagato protect himself the whole time he's controlling the Gedo mazo and controlling his paths?

You sound like you're talkin about Pain. Why?

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[Mercury Uzumaki]

Wow can't believe that many people voted for Nagato to win, LOL!

LOL agreed!

 

[Owarij]

You sound like you're talkin about Pain. Why?

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He was talking about pain

 

[GreenV]

I can't believe people actually believe Nagato can defeat Hashi or Madara.

The title is Hashi of Madara

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

You sound like you're talkin about Pain. Why?

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I am but Nagato it seems other people are talking about Edo Nagato.He was called Pain before he died tough and that the one im talking about.

I really can't dispute to much about Edo Nagato that form was truly amazing.

 

[Capn FlapJak]

ok people rinnegan listen u can beat some 1 who has this in a 1 on 1.Every rinnegan user ever seen is fightin armys of people villages!And even then without info already on them u still dead u and your whole village.The sage havein the rinnegan took on the tentails must make the 9 look like a baby.The only people takein nagato 1on1 is edo madara cause rinnegan .kabuto cause edo madara and tobi again another rinnegan i wonder y..

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Nagato > minato
Nagato > EMS sasuke.

Do not under rate him . thanks

Don't get it wrong I hate Sasuke but the speed he can spit those ameterasu bolts and as many as he can shoot at one time I think would give Nagato problems. Not sure who takes the fight.

If Minato marks Nagato the fight is over although this would be very very difficult to do. But not ruling Minato out he is still has the greatest mind in my opinion in the whole anime.

Both battle would be fun to watch.

 

[Owarij]

Don't get it wrong I hate Sasuke but the speed he can spit those ameterasu bolts and as many as he can shoot at one time I think would give Nagato problems. Not sure who takes the fight.

If Minato marks Nagato the fight is over although this would be very very difficult to do. But not ruling Minato out he is still has the greatest mind in my opinion in the whole anime.

Both battle would be fun to watch.

Nagato is a sensor and can tell when amaterasu is going to be cast even before it is, He has a summoning to fly, which will cause sasuke to have to come out of his susanno and go on his hawk if he wants to kill nagato

He has a summoning that can go invisible

He has his shinra tensei to repel any blaze release attacks. Do note this shinra tensei had the share force to toss naruto's gigantic frogs back a long long distance easily,... and his mega shinra tensei.. lets not even talk about that...

He has mastery in water ninjutsu to counter ssasuke's katon, As well as mastery in all other elements ,He was taught by Jiraya, and jiraya said he mastered evey jutsu he taught him easily.. So expect to see some of Jiraya's techniques

Much much MUCH more chakra than sasuke, Preta path to suck up his susanno since it's made of chakra ,


Chibaku tensei alone is a solidified gg

And IF, even IF things get serious enough, which they won't... He can also bring out gedo mazo ..

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

ok people rinnegan listen u can beat some 1 who has this in a 1 on 1.Every rinnegan user ever seen is fightin armys of people villages!And even then without info already on them u still dead u and your whole village.The sage havein the rinnegan took on the tentails must make the 9 look like a baby.The only people takein nagato 1on1 is edo madara cause rinnegan .kabuto cause edo madara and tobi again another rinnegan i wonder y..

He wins because he has rinnegan?? Don't think so..He dosn't get off that easy.
Heis amazing because he has the rinnegan ill agree

Kishi took away Nagato's mobility away for a reason. With it I would not have this Thread but without it in the wheelchair Nagato can be beat.

 

[Capn FlapJak]

I am but Nagato it seems other people are talking about Edo Nagato.He was called Pain before he died tough and that the one im talking about.

I really can't dispute to much about Edo Nagato that form was truly amazing.

i dont get y u separate them the pain r to nagato what puppets r 4 sand people .Or rasenshuriken to naruto if u avoid/stop it u still gotta beat naruto or in this case beat pain fight nagato.Thats y naruto couldnt win if he attacked nagato he would have used his paths like edo did in 1 body.We all kno naruto could never beat deva if it was mixed with preta i think its called.But if its just pains no real nagato 1th and madara can win

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

Nagato is a sensor and can tell when amaterasu is going to be cast even before it is, He has a summoning to fly, which will cause sasuke to have to come out of his susanno and go on his hawk if he wants to kill nagato

He has a summoning that can go invisible

He has his shinra tensei to repel any blaze release attacks. Do note this shinra tensei had the share force to toss naruto's gigantic frogs back a long long distance easily,... and his mega shinra tensei.. lets not even talk about that...

He has mastery in water ninjutsu to counter ssasuke's katon, As well as mastery in all other elements ,He was taught by Jiraya, and jiraya said he mastered evey jutsu he taught him easily.. So expect to see some of Jiraya's techniques

Much much MUCH more chakra than sasuke, Preta path to suck up his susanno since it's made of chakra ,


Chibaku tensei alone is a solidified gg

And IF, even IF things get serious enough, which they won't... He can also bring out gedo mazo ..

Good points.

Im not convinced That Sasuke can win the fight either .I don't think that Nagato could just suck away sasunoo though. But if the gedo mazo was called not sure how sasuke could deal with it without a perfect sasunoo. I do think the pains would not be that much of a factor Sasuke could defeat the quickly , but The gedo mazo and deva path would give him issues, along with Nagatos huge chara reserve.

 

[Capn FlapJak]

He wins because he has rinnegan?? Don't think so..He dosn't get off that easy.
Heis amazing because he has the rinnegan ill agree

Kishi took away Nagato's mobility away for a reason. With it I would not have this Thread but without it in the wheelchair Nagato can be beat.

ok i wont fight ya but i think even in a wheelchair he can fly

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

i dont get y u separate them the pain r to nagato what puppets r 4 sand people .Or rasenshuriken to naruto if u avoid/stop it u still gotta beat naruto or in this case beat pain fight nagato.Thats y naruto couldnt win if he attacked nagato he would have used his paths like edo did in 1 body.We all kno naruto could never beat deva if it was mixed with preta i think its called.But if its just pains no real nagato 1th and madara can win

At that point pain was severely weakened from using so much chakra so we really don't know what would have happened. The difference is his mobility not that he can't use his abilities and how much chakra he would have left.We also don't know if he could use those abilities whilecontrolling the other paths either because he never had to.Just keep in mind I also make the comparison because the fact that the paths are there.If he was thesame as Edo he woudn't need the paths. And even in the edo for he lacked mobility in the chair it makes all the difference.With speed you can get around to attacking nagato. And he cannot spam his techs forever at some point he still dies like he did...

 

[Mercury Uzumaki]

ok i wont fight ya but i think even in a wheelchair he can fly

You have good Points and thank you for your point of view We'll im not sure I can't say he can or can't fly in the chair really lol, it would be a guess I guess.

 

[Hashirama Senju 48]

Nagato is not on the level of Hashi or Madara. Still kinda crazy that people believe this.... I think again people think of Nagato as Edo Nagato and not the real Nagato in the wheelchair.

Madara
Nagato could not take on Madara/Madara andthe 9 tails. Look at the issues the fox gave him with 8 tails. Nagato himself aid he did not expect the 9 tails to be so powerful and fighting it sapped a huge portion of Nagato's chakra.These are faqs not just my opionion. Would be very interesting If you put Nagao in Hashi's place and had Madara + 9 tails fight Nagato. There would be no chance for Nagato to win.Madara did take some of Hashi's cells when he was alive so we don't know the exstint but we know that he could use mokuton.Madara did unlock the Rinnegan when he was alive also and has the same paths as Nagato+Ems abilities and from what we have seen now a perfect sasuno.There is no way Nagato to win this battle. And were not talkingabout Edo Madara or Edo Nagato. Either EMS Madara w/9tails or Madara Rinnegan/Mokuton/EMS

Hashirama
Now On to Hashi. It's very hard to compare him when we have seen so little about the man. But seeing the power of Mokuton coupled with his feats: Establishing Konoha,Capturing "Multiple" tailed beast and distributing them to various nations, Becoming the 1st Hokage by defeating Madara, and when you look up Hashirama Senju it also tells you as Hokage he came across a Scroll filled with among other skills,various Kinjutsu which he sealed to keep the techs a secret.So we really don't even know what the man s capable of and he was already amazing. This is the same man who defeated Madara and the 9 tails at the same time.Nagato had issues just fighting the fox with 6 tails.Kishi also made it very clear how powerful he was through Kabuto.

Nagato
I think some of you people need to either go back and re-read the manga because you forget that the real Nagato Used the paths because summoning the Gedo Maza left him with chakra rods embedded him his back , and fighting Honzo injured his legs crippling his mobility.Pain was in a wheelchair.....He had issues fighting SM Naruto and a 6 tailed fox.People say he could have won the fight if he wanted but forget the condition that Nagato was actually in when Naruto found him.He was almost depleated of Chakra and energy.Nagato uses his life energy for his techs which leaves him in almost dead from using his ability to many times.Nagato is amazing still but there is a common misconception that Edo Nagato was the real Nagato and thats Bs. That's Fanboys wanting to make themselves and there arguments right. We also have to remember Nagato followed Tobi before Tobi was as strong as he is today.Tobi was always the True leader of the akatsuki which he means was most likely the stronger.

Other people Nagato Can't defeat are: Naruto,Tobi,Kabuto,and Maybe Minato and EMS Sasuke
Would say Itachi if he had more chakra.

Im happy to see that there are ppl who are not blind. Congrats on seeing the truth - Nagato<Hashi and Nagato<Madara. The Nagato fans are over doing it by comparing him with the legends in Naruto.

 

[Capn FlapJak]

At that point pain was severely weakened from using so much chakra so we really don't know what would have happened. The difference is his mobility not that he can't use his abilities and how much chakra he would have left.We also don't know if he could use those abilities whilecontrolling the other paths either because he never had to.Just keep in mind I also make the comparison because the fact that the paths are there.If he was thesame as Edo he woudn't need the paths. And even in the edo for he lacked mobility in the chair it makes all the difference.With speed you can get around to attacking nagato. And he cannot spam his techs forever at some point he still dies like he did...[/QUO

he did have enough to bring every1 back to life i think that takes more then killin them.The other point i have is that madara was the only edo kabuto said he modified.What nagato did to naruto and killer bee was what he could do in life.konan was the one who told naruto he could use all paths