Theirs a reason why Madara keeps saying that Hashirama....

[Ryuu..]

Gained control may mean take control back from Madara . . . . . . Also Suggest why MS control didnt work . . . . . . . .

The only explanation of gaining control depite the MS Kurama control mechanism is considering the fact that Hashi Had some other secrets powers which some people dont acknowledge.

You think you know what it says, but you don't. When that fight began the one that had control over Kurama was Madara. But because Hashirama has the ability to control Bijuu, he removed Madara's control over Kurama and gained it himself. It only states that he took control over Kurama. Never does it say that he used Kurama to his advantage.

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Explain this. If Shodaime gained control of the Kyuubi during the battle (note, gained control, not suppressed), and Mito Uzumaki sealed it inside her after the fight, what was the Kyuubi doing during the period of the battle? Roaming free? You think he'd wrestle it from Madara and not use it? Why was the word 'control' used and not 'suppressed'? It's quite clear Hashirama had control over it at some point.

 

[Owarij]

Contradicting yaself? Tobirama didnt beleive hashi's power to be a fairytale. The rest did. Why would hashi show them an equivalent power like Perfect susano when there are no worrthy opponent? Arrogant madara didnt show his did he?

what are you talking about? are you agreeing with me?

You just proved by point by saying tobirama wouldn't have believed hashirama was a myth..

Noone who lived in hashirama's time, and saw him fight , would believe he was a myth..
THAT MAKES NO SENSE


It's obvious the whole myth thing is related to people of the younger generation.. Because I even doubt kakashi thinks Hashirama is a myth, when Yamato is living proof..

 

[siyo]

i know all about hiruzens hype. he was not known as the second coming of the sage but i guess hiruzen fanboys say anything to make their favorite character look good.

hashiramas power was a myth which means that people didnt believe in his strength. when people heard of his strength they described it as a myth becuase they didnt think he could be so strong.

as for the databooks, i guess you still believe that orochimaru invented edo tensei and that naruto and sakura are equals.

Where did it say that Hiruzen was my favorite character? I can only laugh at the personal attacks when you can’t counter anything I said.

I gave you the full description of the definitions of those words-unlike you, and it is very clear that the word is loaded with negative connotations.

I also answered your databook question,yet you ignored it.Tobi lied about the kyuubi attack so should we stop believing the manga?

 

[TheSages456]

Fail, because my point was exactly that he used the Kyuubi to fight in the battle. The Jinchuuriki part was irrelevant.

i swear it is not possible for someone to fail this much in one day. hashirama sealed the kyuubi into mito to better aid him. its already shown that hashirama sealed the kyuubi after the fight. the kyuubi did not help hashirama. the kyuubi was suppressed then hashirama dealt with madara in a 1 on 1.

 

[TrollingSage]

what are you talking about? are you agreeing with me?

You just proved by point by saying tobirama wouldn't have believed hashirama was a myth..

Noone who lived in hashirama's time, and saw him fight , would believe he was a myth..
THAT MAKES NO SENSE


It's obvious the whole myth thing is related to people of the younger generation.. Because I even doubt kakashi thinks Hashirama is a myth, when Yamato is living proof..

Oh dear. Hashi wasnt believed to be a myth lol, his power. Why?

Why would hashi show them an equivalent power like Perfect susano to villagers when there are no worthy opponent? Arrogant madara didnt show his did he?
Point is that the village were not oblivious to hashi's power, they believed it to be a fairytale. How, well tobirama or hashi bodyguards(who will witness in person) might tell their grandson and the story will circulate but the new gen wont believe.

Just so u get the pic, they didnt believe hashi to be a fodder but like madara, his extreme level wont be revealed until near death or fighting worthy opponent(madara), a situation most ninjas wont see hashi in alive

 

[Οdin]

Explain this. If Shodaime gained control of the Kyuubi during the battle (note, gained control, not suppressed), and Mito Uzumaki sealed it inside her after the fight, what was the Kyuubi doing during the period of the battle? Roaming free? You think he'd wrestle it from Madara and not use it? Why was the word 'control' used and not 'suppressed'? It's quite clear Hashirama had control over it at some point.

Dude, gaining control and using Kurama after gaining control is very different. He can do more than just suppress chakra.

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[Anorien16]

Madara died at 80 + because he lived after his fight with hashirama



Hashirama, according to databooks, died shortly after his fight with madara, aka when konoha was founded, in some war


, Tobirama became hokage, and shortly after that died in war as well, Then hiruzen held the title


The manga never stated that

If Madara died at 80+ why does his Edo look like 20? Elder Chiyo's Edo was not young.
Simple explanation: Hashi cells reduces ageing and Tobirama always had white rain u cant tell his age.

Databook also said Oro created Edo tensei. Also Hashirama and Madara is said to have fought many wars before the truce and formation of fisrt village Konoha, and also considering the fact that Hashi died after he defeated Madara, then gathered and distributed them the later formed new villages he didnt die young.

Tobirama was hokage even before hashi died or didnt u see this:

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which suggests Hashirama was tierd, by the time Hizune was 7-9 so none living knows Hashirama prime.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Wow, this thread just failed.
how the hell did this become hiruzen vs hashirama?
there's no point in even arguing because no one is going to change their opinions.
Clearly, we have a bunch of haters fighting fanboys U_U

 

[Ryuu..]

i swear it is not possible for someone to fail this much in one day. hashirama sealed the kyuubi into mito to better aid him. its already shown that hashirama sealed the kyuubi after the fight. the kyuubi did not help hashirama. the kyuubi was suppressed then hashirama dealt with madara in a 1 on 1.

Wow. Fail after fail.

Hashirama gains control of Kyuubi but decides not to use it. Seems legit. While we're at it, I guess that would also explain how EMS Madara = Hashirama before VOTE but then Hashirama > EMS Madara + Kyuubi after it.

You so clever.

 

[Helikido]

what are you talking about? are you agreeing with me?

You just proved by point by saying tobirama wouldn't have believed hashirama was a myth..

Noone who lived in hashirama's time, and saw him fight , would believe he was a myth..
THAT MAKES NO SENSE


It's obvious the whole myth thing is related to people of the younger generation.. Because I even doubt kakashi thinks Hashirama is a myth, when Yamato is living proof..

Do you honestly bieve if people saw hashi and madara fight to death, they would not join in ESPECIALLY HIS BROTHER....?


You sir totally lack common sense.... no one witnessed their fight other than mito.... no one..

 

[Ryuu..]

Dude, gaining control and using Kurama after gaining control is very different. He can do more than just suppress chakra.

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See 2nd line of post 129 lol.

 

[Anorien16]

You think you know what it says, but you don't. When that fight began the one that had control over Kurama was Madara. But because Hashirama has the ability to control Bijuu, he removed Madara's control over Kurama and gained it himself. It only states that he took control over Kurama. Never does it say that he used Kurama to his advantage.

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1. Mito didnt help Hashirama in the fight, as the only scene from their fight didnt have Mito in it. Also note the fact, the statement "durring battle he gained control of kuybi and in order to better aid him had his wife seal the beast in her" means that after the battle kyubi was no use to him roaming free and blowing up things so he had Mito become a jink. If not explain how mito cld have become a jink and instantly master its powers and 'aided' hasi in battle?

2. Hashi probably cant control Kurama as mokuton can only supress the biju's chakra (see:

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) while it is MS that can control Kurama (see:

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). Also note that Madara and Hashi fought a lot of times before the battle at the valley of the end, so their powers wont be that much of a secret (Not to two of them). Then why wld Madara bring Kurama to battle if he knew Hashi could control it better that him? Dont say to enjoy being set kurama on himself.

See 2nd line of post 129 lol.

Funnily, Hashi gave the biju to people who cld 'control' it like him no? If the other villages cant 'control' them like him, they wld go on a rampage and wld not 'balancing the power' it wld be gifting a time bomb. Whats ur take on this?

Do you honestly bieve if people saw hashi and madara fight to death, they would not join in ESPECIALLY HIS BROTHER....?


You sir totally lack common sense.... no one witnessed their fight other than mito.... no one..

Mito too wasnt there look above.

 

[Owarij]

If Madara died at 80+ why does his Edo look like 20? Elder Chiyo's Edo was not young.
Simple explanation: Hashi cells reduces ageing and Tobirama always had white rain u cant tell his age.

Databook also said Oro created Edo tensei. Also Hashirama and Madara is said to have fought many wars before the truce and formation of fisrt village Konoha, and also considering the fact that Jashi died after he defeated Madara, then gathered and distributed them the later formed new villages he didnt die young.

Tobirama was hokage even before hashi died or didnt u see this:

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which suggests Hashirama was tierd, by the time Hizune was 7-9 so none living knows Hashirama prime.

What bs are you spewing now?

Kabuto said HE BROUGHT MADARA BACK TO HIS PRIME AGE, beyond his prime age

(Young body with rinnegan) , This is why he's a special edo


Databook never said Orochimaru created edo tensei, If you don't know what it said, stop spewing bs


Those are two entirely different scenarios.. They weren't near each other...that was one flashback of hashirama and hiruzen

The other was with tobirama telling him he was going to become hokaage, We see hiruzen actually have a flashback to that moment

They were being chased by the kin gin hunter nin squad, and needed someone to go stall the 20 ninja, Tobirama offered and told Hiruzen he was going to become hokage ...

Sigh , You obviously no little about the manga, what are you doing

 

[TheSages456]

Wow. Fail after fail.

Hashirama gains control of Kyuubi but decides not to use it. Seems legit. While we're at it, I guess that would also explain how EMS Madara = Hashirama before VOTE but then Hashirama > EMS Madara + Kyuubi after it.

You so clever.

use common sense and stop trying to underrate hashirama. mokuton was never stated to have mind control powers like the sharingan. hashirama can suppress them but cant control them like madara. you couldnt use common sense to deduce that hashirama got stronger as well alongside madara.

 

[DeViliShChild]

What if the first hokage was just that much stronger then madara during their first battle and the only reason it was close was because of the 9 tails?

 

[Owarij]

Do you honestly bieve if people saw hashi and madara fight to death, they would not join in ESPECIALLY HIS BROTHER....?


You sir totally lack common sense.... no one witnessed their fight other than mito.... no one..

Where did you come from? Know what you are talking about before you reply to me, I never said anyone saw their VOTE fight, I was talking about their fights on a whole, the others, aka the ones the wars they had, There were other ninjas there aswell

PS, Mito was there during his hashirama fight

 

[Ryuu..]

use common sense and stop trying to underrate hashirama. mokuton was never stated to have mind control powers like the sharingan. hashirama can suppress them but cant control them like madara. you couldnt use common sense to deduce that hashirama got stronger as well alongside madara.

I'm not underrating Hashirama, I know he's > EMS Madara.

And where exactly is that in the manga? Don't worry i'll wait.

 

[siyo]

What if the first hokage was just that much stronger then madara during their first battle and the only reason it was close was because of the 9 tails?

lol, I doubt Kishi would troll the uchiha like that.

 

[Ryuu..]

Funnily, Hashi gave the biju to people who cld 'control' it like him no? If the other villages cant 'control' them like him, they wld go on a rampage and wld not 'balancing the power' it wld be gifting a time bomb. Whats ur take on this?

Oh I dunno, perhaps by using Jinchuurikis?

 

[Οdin]

See 2nd line of post 129 lol.

U_U The box form which you get your information does not state that he used Kurama in that fight. Why can't you understand that?

P.S. Then why does Madara keep saying that Hashirama can defeat him? Because Hashirama can use Kurama in every fight? Even though he knows that Naruto is Kurama's jinchuriki... he still states that Hashirama can defeat him. You say we fail, but the one who fails is you. U_U

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