[Debate] When does life start?

[Sterling Malory Archer]

When you are aware of your existence, and you can acknowledge your actions.

Just asking, what are you before you acknowledge your own existence and around what age do you think that would be?

 

[-Hades-]

Do you know you only become aware of your actions around 1-3 years old?

I never knew it was actually that late... i do now.
Oh and i edited my post... mentioning that my point of view was from inside out, like the moment you yourself realize that you are alive.

Biologically speaking... it begins at fertilization.

 

[I Am Pein]

There is actually a difference.

And I just received 98% in my Child and Adolescent Psychology module...I think that is suffice:ice:

really... please tell me the difference besides the "type" of cell that its made from?

 

[KyoshiroSenju]

for me it begins when the baby can speak. before it is not better as a dog. and before it is born, it is not better as a stone.

So a baby have life when he/she is 1 year old or more.if i remember correctly dogs have life..when babys are inside their mother they are eating or how ever you call it so stone eat as well?

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

you cant take down a thread and its not a religion thread so its ok

Well, the mods need to close it. I understand that it isn't strictly a religious thread, but at the same time it delves into what can be a very touchy subject for religious people. I just don't want people to get to heated, 'cause this isn't the place for it.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Well the cells are of organic matter so we can consider them as living things, but as for human life , IMO it starts when all vital organs are developed , the heart beats and the brain works. In my country if the baby is born alive and its father is unknown, its a legal assumption that the conception happened 300 days before the birth, and the baby if born alive, has rights from the time of its conception but if its born dead, then its a legal presumption that there was no conception . And as for abortion, there are strict rules (administration for example ) and the woman has to prove some things, and the law defines the periods when the abortion can be done and for what reason. For example it can be done any time if the pregnancy endangers the mothers life or if the child would definitely be born with serious health damage.But if its just a non-wanted child the abortion can be done only until the 12th week of the birth etc.

 

[Nocturne]

when you are mentally discriminated.

 

[I Am Pein]

Well, the mods need to close it. I understand that it isn't strictly a religious thread, but at the same time it delves into what can be a very touchy subject for religious people. I just don't want people to get to heated, 'cause this isn't the place for it.

its NOT a religios thread and if people choose to get affinded its not the threads creator's problem, but some one already has made a refference to a soul and im afriad its going to be taken down any way. and as long as its speceifly a thread derecly talking or commenting about releigion its fine and should be looked at as a seruise thread that can be debated on

Well the cells are of organic matter so we can consider them as living things, but as for human life , IMO it starts when all vital organs are developed , the heart beats and the brain works. In my country if the baby is born alive and its father is unknown, its a legal assumption that the conception happened 300 days before the birth, and the baby if born alive, has rights from the time of its conception but if its born dead, then its a legal presumption that there was no conception . And as for abortion, there are strict rules (administration for example ) and the woman has to prove some things, and the law defines the periods when the abortion can be done and for what reason. For example it can be done any time if the pregnancy endangers the mothers life or if the child would definitely be born with serious health damage.But if its just a non-wanted child the abortion can be done only until the 12th week of the birth etc.

so if im not born with a 2nd eye (cyclops disease) im not considered a human......or if im born with a second heart im more human then the next guy. Also make a note were not talking about the legality of it becuase thats not debatable and is already written in stone

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

really... please tell me the difference besides the "type" of cell that its made from?

I don't focus on the Biology aspect. But from what I know, what I said is correct. I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong, but I could be:shrug:

Well, the mods need to close it. I understand that it isn't strictly a religious thread, but at the same time it delves into what can be a very touchy subject for religious people. I just don't want people to get to heated, 'cause this isn't the place for it.

It does touch religion. But most debates all touch religion as we all have different beliefs and NB is kinda very multi-cultural. However I don't think it should be taken down (Unless the thread becomes out of control with religion)

My thread is just to see other people's views and reasoning behind their views

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

its NOT a religios thread and if people choose to get affinded its not the threads creator's problem, but some one already has made a refference to a soul and im afriad its going to be taken down any way. and as long as its speceifly a thread derecly talking or commenting about releigion its fine and should be looked at as a seruise thread that can be debated on

I already agreed with you that it isn't a religious thread. However, for those religious people that read and reply to this thread, it is near impossible not to bring religious concepts and beliefs into the discussion. There are places where debating a serious subject such as this is appropriate and then there's Narutobase...

 

[Scooby Doo]

so if im not born with a 2nd eye (cyclops disease) im not considered a human......or if im born with a second heart im more human then the next guy. Also make a note were not talking about the legality of it becuase thats not debatable and is already written in stone

Ok dont be hard on me ...and you misunderstood what I wrote....abortion is not an obligation....the mother can keep her child even if it will have 1 eye or will be mentally damaged...etc....who said that if you were born with 2 hearts then youre more human? I wrote that if the baby is born alive, it has rights back from the time of conception for example it can inherit or can have property , has all the rights others have, but if its born dead, it would be messy if for example it inherited something when it was still in the womb...and I mentioned the legal side of it to show that abortion is not sin in my country , as religion and state / government are separate.

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

I already agreed with you that it isn't a religious thread. However, for those religious people that read and reply to this thread, it is near impossible not to bring religious concepts and beliefs into the discussion. There are places where debating a serious subject such as this is appropriate and then there's Narutobase...

I'm actually very religious myself. I'm Catholic And I've witnessed an exorcism on a religious spiritual camp. And I didn't bring religion in to the debate. I'll report people that blow this thread and their beliefs out of proportion.

 

[I Am Pein]

I don't focus on the Biology aspect. But from what I know, what I said is correct. I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong, but I could be:shrug:

It is undeniable that some organisms are subjects of experience. But the question of how it is that these systems are subjects of experience is perplexing. Why is it that when our cognitive systems engage in visual and auditory information-processing, we have visual or auditory experience: the quality of deep blue, the sensation of middle C? How can we explain why there is something it is like to entertain a mental image, or to experience an emotion? It is widely agreed that experience arises from a physical basis, but we have no good explanation of why and how it so arises. Why should physical processing give rise to a rich inner life at all? It seems objectively unreasonable that it should, and yet it does.There is no one anwser and we are subject to;and forever will be chained by the notion that we will never know what life is or where it starts THE END

I already agreed with you that it isn't a religious thread. However, for those religious people that read and reply to this thread, it is near impossible not to bring religious concepts and beliefs into the discussion. There are places where debating a serious subject such as this is appropriate and then there's Narutobase...

have you ever heard the saying "you cant make a apple pie from scratch unless you create the universe" well think about and im sure youll find why you should stop trying to getthis thread removed

Ok dont be hard on me ...and you misunderstood what I wrote....abortion is not an obligation....the mother can keep her child even if it will have 1 eye or will be mentally damaged...etc....who said that if you were born with 2 hearts then youre more human? I wrote that if the baby is born alive, it has rights back from the time of conception for example it can inherit or can have property , has all the rights others have, but if its born dead, it would be messy if for example it inherited something when it was still in the womb...and I mentioned the legal side of it to show that abortion is not sin in my country , as religion and state / government are separate.

.....you just said that you are considered alive when all your vital organs aer present,so agian touching on what you just said having 2 hearts would make me more human then the next guy according to the state in which you live (stop talking about religion your going to get this thread taking down)

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

I'm actually very religious myself. I'm Catholic And I've witnessed an exorcism on a religious spiritual camp. And I didn't bring religion in to the debate. I'll report people that blow this thread and their beliefs out of proportion.

Good. I can respect the bolded. I must say though, it would've been easier to not start a thread like this that you know some people will get out of hand in, and perhaps some people may get seriously offended.

I don't doubt your good intentions, but I personally feel that Narutobase isn't the ideal environment for this kind of discourse.

 

[Scooby Doo]

.....you just said that you are considered alive when all your vital organs aer present,so agian touching on what you just said having 2 hearts would make me more human then the next guy according to the state in which you live (stop talking about religion your going to get this thread taking down)

No, it's only my opinion that human life starts when the vital organs are developed and the heart beats and the brain works, I didnt say that law says it. I just thought it would be interesting to share the rules of abortion with you,but clearly its not....and I just mentioned that in my country religion has no influence on the legal regulation.

 

[I Am Pein]

Good. I can respect the bolded. I must say though, it would've been easier to not start a thread like this that you know some people will get out of hand in, and perhaps some people may get seriously offended.

I don't doubt your good intentions, but I personally feel that Narutobase isn't the ideal environment for this kind of discourse.

hmm i find it hard to just not do something out of the fact that "maby" some one "might" say something about religion.....half the threads wouldt even be here if there was a chance of trolling. you create a thread and hope that it gets the attention of as many intelligent people as possible, such as you and myself and as few trolls or prophets as possible

No, it's only my opinion that human life starts when the vital organs are developed and the heart beats and the brain works, I didnt say that law says it. I just thought it would be interesting to share the rules of abortion with you,but clearly its not....and I just mentioned that in my country religion has no influence on the legal regulation.

yes, so according to your logic, i am more human then the next guy if i have more organs or are able to have more cognitive actions going at one time

 

[Scooby Doo]

yes, so according to your logic, i am more human then the next guy if i have more organs or are able to have more cognitive actions going at one time

No, because in the case you mention, both I and that other guy have brain-so we have counsciousness too, and our heart is working, and then it doesnt matter if he has 3 eyes or 5 legs....

 

[I Am Pein]

No, because in the case you mention, both I and that other guy have brain-so we have counsciousness too, and our heart is working, and then it doesnt matter if he has 3 eyes or 5 legs....

then please take out the part about vital organs if it doesnt have any signifigance porpouse (im sure you can see how that would confuse some one).

-the thing about concuisness is that it can and cant be measured at the same time.it is reasonable to say that you and I have a counscious, but how does mine differ from yours and why. If i woke up one day with your counscious and you had mine could we be considered to have a counscious anymore since we arent aware of ourself anymore?

-is counscious measured in the extent of which are brain can percieve outside forces and stumuli......if some one cannot touch,feel,taste,see,hear is he still counscious?

-the thing about the heartbeat has so many flaws its almost impossible to hae as a rule of life. there are lifeforms that dont have hearts.there are humans that live without a natural heart that they were born with and on the same note its not the beating of the heart that keeps you alive its the flow of blood.

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

hmm i find it hard to just not do something out of the fact that "maby" some one "might" say something about religion.....half the threads wouldt even be here if there was a chance of trolling. you create a thread and hope that it gets the attention of as many intelligent people as possible, such as you and myself and as few trolls or prophets as possible

There's a difference between inviting trolls and inviting people to question or even insult what is a core of someone's identity. Mind you, I'm not religious, but I still want to avoid hurting those that are. Again, I personally feel that a subject like this has no place in an online site devoted to anime.

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

There's a difference between inviting trolls and inviting people to question or even insult what is a core of their identity. Mind you, I'm not religious, but I still want to avoid hurting those that are. Again, I personally feel that a subject like this has no place in an online site devoted to anime.

Anyone wondering why I'm so quiet, is because I'm busy watching Criminal Minds

Yes this site is indeed devoted to anime. However this section that I created is actually suitable:

General Discussion Discuss here the latest headlines and debate on serious matters.

I consider this a serious matter:shrug: