Nagato can easily break Tsukuyomi

[6pathofpain]

lol it has been proved even by itachi himself, he used it on kakashi who has a sharingan and thought he would withstand it but failed because he was not an Uchiha. Same thing would happen to Nagato.

Yea in part one when kakashi was considerably weaker than he is now smh dont dwell on the past...

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Yea in part one when kakashi was considerably weaker than he is now smh dont dwell on the past...

lol same would happen in part 2 if the real kakashi got caught in Tsukyomi No way around it those requirement are needed anything else just doesn't cut it, kishi made this clear

 

[iMicLykTyson]

im heading out for the day ima reply your post later on.
Seems we are having a good debate

 

[Richie Goh]

When will you Nagato/pain fanboys get it through your ****ing skulls he's another uchiha **** rider who needed the power of the Uchiha to be something same goes for Danzo and Kakashi...Nagato is a ****ing uzumaki whose powers fail in comparison to that of the uchiha for example Naruto reached his peak once he mastered Sage Mode but still he needs the nine tails to even be in the same breath as Sasuke...EMS Sasuke would destroy Sage Naruto

Seriously???? Sasuke doesnt onw his EMS by himself..... HE GOT IT WITH HIS BROTHERS EYES == and if sasuke doesnt have the EMS naruto will beat the living crap out of him...==

 

[6pathofpain]

lol same would happen in part 2 if the real kakashi got caught in Tsukyomi No way around it those requirement are needed anything else just doesn't cut it, kishi made this clear

thats if he can even catch him with it. an when did kishi say that?

 

[6pathofpain]

im heading out for the day ima reply your post later on.
Seems we are having a good debate

indeed

 

[6pathofpain]

Seriously???? Sasuke doesnt onw his EMS by himself..... HE GOT IT WITH HIS BROTHERS EYES == and if sasuke doesnt have the EMS naruto will beat the living crap out of him...==

i dont know who that guy is who said that but i dont think he's very bright...

 

[Kurogane]

The rinnegan is a evolved form , but nagato doesn't have the full package, He doesn't have the eyes of the true heir to it...


Madara's rinnegan you can obviously see he unlocked... Not only can he turn it off an on at will, but he is capable of using his ems jutsu etc with the rinnegan....


Rinnegan has its own unique set of abilities, and it won't help Nagato against tsukyomi... He's just as susceptible to Tsukyomi as any other....Kakashi's sharingan , though he was very skilled with it, didn't help him what so ever...because as Itachi said, You need sharingan and uchiha blood to resist tsukyomi and break it.

Note this is Itachi's tsukyomi, not sasuke's




Understand this...Rinnegan is not sharingan...

Sharingan offers certain abilities, Movement prediction , jutsu copying etc..


Rinnegan offers certain abilities...

It has actually never been stated that rinnegan offers any sort of genjutsu eye of insight ever...And even if it did it's still not enough to break tsukyomi SINCE he doesn't have uchiha blood..

Why is uchiha blood needed? Well the uchihas were born with high mental energy , which I believe is what enables them to be able to resist the mental torture..



Uzumaki's don't have that... they have a strong life force... And according to the databook, you can have body made of steel and you'll still fall to Tsukyomi, since it's mental damage

I might have agree to something, but i have to disagree on the part that tsukuyomi can one shotted nagato. Genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses,
and that you can break out of it by disrupting the chakra. In other words, if tsukuyomi was used on nagato hw can use ST to break out of it. This can be happen because you burst massive chakra out of your body (meaning you disrupt your own chakra by bursting it out). And don't say he can't use it while being caught on tsukuyomi because thats completely BS.

 

[The Necromancer]

In the Itachi vs Nagato threads I've seen to many fanboys mistakenly claim that Itachi could one shot Nagato with Tsukuyomi. The reasons why this would fail is because

Nagato is a sensor ninja: It has been noted that sensor ninja have the ability to sense changes in ones chakra and the chakra around them. This would alert him to being in genjustu and he could disrupt his chakra and break it.

proof that Nagato is a sensor ninja from Narutopedia:



The Rinnegan is an evolved sharigan: it is well known that the sharigan evolves into the rinnegan with the right conditions. If a normal 3 tomoe sharigan can break "the all powerful" Tsukuyomi then the rinnegan can as well. The rinnegan has shown to counter all other MS techniques so Tsukuyomi is no problem.

So with this it is clear that Nagato>>>Itachi, and itachi stands no chance U_U

Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a blood relative. /thread

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

I might have agree to something, but i have to disagree on the part that tsukuyomi can one shotted nagato. Genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses,
and that you can break out of it by disrupting the chakra. In other words, if tsukuyomi was used on nagato hw can use ST to break out of it. This can be happen because you burst massive chakra out of your body (meaning you disrupt your own chakra by bursting it out). And don't say he can't use it while being caught on tsukuyomi because thats completely BS.

Itachi's Tsukuyomi is instant, how are you people not getting this?

There would be literally no time for Nagato to do anything if he gets caught in it, as it is instant, so he wouldn't be able to disrupt his chakra.

P.S. shinra tensei wouldn't be able to break him out of genjutsu anyway, that is just dumb. It is a jutsu, so apparently you are saying that anyone in Narutoverse can break out of genjutsu if they use a jutsu of their own, which is wrong.

 

[The Necromancer]

Itachi's Tsukuyomi is instant, how are you people not getting this?

There would be literally no time for Nagato to do anything if he gets caught in it, as it is instant, so he wouldn't be able to disrupt his chakra.

P.S. shinra tensei wouldn't be able to break him out of genjutsu anyway, that is just dumb. It is a jutsu, so apparently you are saying that anyone in Narutoverse can break out of genjutsu if they use a jutsu of their own, which is wrong.

This. Tsukuyomi is a justu that happens in 1 second or less. That's not enough time to disrupt your chakra. Not in real life anyway.

 

[Kurogane]

Itachi's Tsukuyomi is instant, how are you people not getting this?

There would be literally no time for Nagato to do anything if he gets caught in it, as it is instant, so he wouldn't be able to disrupt his chakra.

P.S. shinra tensei wouldn't be able to break him out of genjutsu anyway, that is just dumb. It is a jutsu, so apparently you are saying that anyone in Narutoverse can break out of genjutsu if they use a jutsu of their own, which is wrong.

Smartass :flaw:

 

[Rosco Wellington]

In the Itachi vs Nagato threads I've seen to many fanboys mistakenly claim that Itachi could one shot Nagato with Tsukuyomi. The reasons why this would fail is because

Nagato is a sensor ninja: It has been noted that sensor ninja have the ability to sense changes in ones chakra and the chakra around them. This would alert him to being in genjustu and he could disrupt his chakra and break it.

proof that Nagato is a sensor ninja from Narutopedia:



The Rinnegan is an evolved sharigan: it is well known that the sharigan evolves into the rinnegan with the right conditions. If a normal 3 tomoe sharigan can break "the all powerful" Tsukuyomi then the rinnegan can as well. The rinnegan has shown to counter all other MS techniques so Tsukuyomi is no problem.

So with this it is clear that Nagato>>>Itachi, and itachi stands no chance U_U

Nagato was given the rinnegan. He didn't develop it. Even if he could break it. It wouldn't be instantaneous. Which is something that would need to happen for itachi not to kill him in a fight to the death.

 

[The Necromancer]

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Good catch. Good catch. But i believe tsukuyomi is more than a simple mind scouring genjutsu. You wouldn't say he could block kotoamatsukami. Besides that we don't know exactly what those blocks entail, or even if pain can do them on himself. Lastly itachi is the greatest genjutsu user in the series, who FAR outclasses Inoichi in genjutsu, which isn't even inoichi's specialty, so of course he would have trouble with any genjutsu blocks. Itachi makes kurenai's genjutsu master a joke, while she is probably one of the best genjutsu users who does not have a sharingan, and is even better than some that do.

 

[ghostsoldier3]

Lol stop saying the rinnegan is the evolved form of the sharingan, the MS and EMS are evolved forms, wow...

This is kabuto speaking btw, not madara even confirming it.

well right now I'm sure the dude who you responded to is in shock at the level of idiocy...i mean seriously...i jus check the scan - and edo MADARA says shortly after i died or wateva i awakened these eyes...gee...wonder what he was talking bout...i mean since he already had ems wat could it be hmmm?? my goodness - and yes it was a classic continuance of sentence from the other party to explain it. yes kabuto was speaking through the 1st or 2nd tsuch-wats his name but edo madara spoke - seems you need a freakin' letter from kishi. I don't even respond to stuff on this site but ur ridiculousness lured me out - you should be proud...he said he acquired the new power (rinnegan) at his death and kabuto modified him

 

[true enigma]

If he missjudges in sensing his genjutsu that might be somthing that would cost him the entire fight from the damage either way. One mistake thats it... and either can be defeated(both itachi & nagato)

BUT NO ONE SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND. Its tiring trying to get through to close minded fans.

 

[itachiamaterasu]

nagato shows no sign of being able to beat genjutsu.
you guys forget that nagato is still an amateur with tons of power, why else was yashiko the leader before nagato while nagato had the rinnegan.
nagato is nothing but power and lots of chakra/life force.

all i can picture is the 2nd hokage owning nagato with ease.
and same with any other people that has strong genjutsu,
like itachi, 2nd mizukage.. etc.

 

[true enigma]

nagato shows no sign of being able to beat genjutsu.
you guys forget that nagato is still an amateur with tons of power, why else was yashiko the leader before nagato while nagato had the rinnegan.
nagato is nothing but power and lots of chakra/life force.

all i can picture is the 2nd hokage owning nagato with ease.
and same with any other people that has strong genjutsu,
like itachi, 2nd mizukage.. etc.

Good points^^