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The only reason people still cannot comprehend that 3rd>1st +2nd is because 1st>madara and no one wants to say that 3rd>madara. that is the real reason. no one will accept the fact that hiruzen aptly defeated the first AND second hokage BEFORE going to his last resort which was the reaper death seal because the first defeated madara and madara is waaaaay super powered and everybody would say that there is no way that hiruzen can defeat current madara. I agree. hiruzen CANNOT defeat rinnegan madara. hashi DID NOT fight rinnegan madara. he fought EMS madara. so i say that hiruzen CAN defeat EMS madara but NOT RINNEGAN madara. case closed. too much hiruzen/kishi hatred on narutobase.
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Hiruzen fans do not open
this post that was meant to be a thread will tell you how foolish you have been.
Note: This is not a post about Hashirama>Hiruzen but is simply a thread about hiruzen and how strong hiruzen fans say he is.So I am talking about his "god of shinobi quote" is obviously wrong because well.. madara rinnegan (not edo) as well as other things.
Oro = Orochimaru
Hashi = Hashirama
Tobi = Tobirama
Masked tobi is not mentioned in this thread so no confusion.
About 3 days ago I made a thread and I asked “Who said hiruzen is the strongest” Someone replied the author in the databooks. I was then laughed that and abused lol
Don't believe me then go to post #491 on this page.
Then some wise guy posted the quotes from the data book then once again I was laughed at an abused lol
However this was his mistake I read the quotes from the data book properly and it said he was called all these things.
So this is how I proved them wrong that kishi did not directly say that hiruzen was the strongest himself but said that he was called. No one made an argument against this all was fine for about an hour and (then guys you’re going to love this). All the hiruzen fans changed their argument to “orochimaru, kabuto and many others said this..”
So I re-read all of these scenes again and found out the hiruzen fans made the same mistake as they did with kishi, orochimaru never said he was any of these things but said he was “called” (Do really want scans go look your self)
Kabuto never said he was the greatest hokage but said he was the greatest kage of his generation.(go look your self hiruzen fans)
So that leaves the many others, you’re gonna love this guys the others which they have talked about were Iruka and Ebisu. The foddest fodders around. Elders didn’t even mention any of these things that was made up by a (not all just one)hiruzen fan.
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All the hiruzen fans use to use that kishi said he was called stuff against everyone on NB saying if you argue with this you argue with the manga. These were all false statements yet they continue to use this till I proved them wrong.
All was good they had realise their mistakes but your gonna love this guys they changed and I repeat changed their argument to say that hiruzen beat oro, hashi and tobi at old age so it is obvious he is the strongest.
Yet they fail to realise the following:
Hashi and tobi were mindless killing machines they did not have their own personalities and did not fight how they would if they were in control of their own bodies all they did was charge, attack and counter.
Another thing they didn’t realise oro was in control of their bodies oro did not know what they (mainly hashi) was truly capable of. This is why when kabuto revived madara after altering his body he left madara to be in control of his body (correcting the mistake oro did) and said something like “now I can finally witness a fragment of the so6p’s power”. Kabuto did not know what madara could do but he knew madara would be on his side anyway so he could leave him to do what he was truly capable of something oro could not because hashi and tobi would not fight hiruzen if he didn’t turn them to mindless killing machines.
Hiruzen did not win this battle in any way, hashi increased his mokuton to the size of the barrier they were locked in. (notice hashi can’t use his landscape changing abilities they were locked in a small area, also oro was in control and turned him into mindless zombie.)
Hiruzen realised there is no way he is going to win this battle so his only hope to protect the village was to give his life using RDS because there was no hope of him winning.
It doesn’t end there he couldn’t even beat his student, why? Because oro stabbed a sword through his chest preventing him from sealing him completely
Yes hiruzen stood his ground but he is hokage for a reason.
Hiruzen fans have changed their reason for saying he is the strongest so many times and I have proven them all wrong.
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When I ask hiruzen fans, ok he was called god of shinobi right? So that means he is stronger then madara rinnegan (not edo) I have not got one reply to this. You know why because this is when hiruzen fans realise ok I guess he wasn’t really god of shinobi.
You know why they say this because kishi has revealed what madara can do and this landscape changing abilities that he said hashi and him both had.
Bascially hiruzen fans are like the fodders they do not believe in hashi’s strength they think it is a fairy tale. Well I tell you kishi making madara say all these things for no reason.
Note: This is not a thread about Hashi>hiruzen about about how strong hiruzen fanboys say he is.
Why was you all using "god of shinobi" against hashi but when I mention madara I hear silence when madara has stated now they are both on the same level of landscape changing abilities.
Oro = Orochimaru
Hashi = Hashirama
Tobi = Tobirama
Masked tobi is not mentioned in this thread so no confusion.
About 3 days ago I made a thread and I asked “Who said hiruzen is the strongest” Someone replied the author in the databooks. I was then laughed that and abused lol
You must be registered for see links
Don't believe me then go to post #491 on this page.
Then some wise guy posted the quotes from the data book then once again I was laughed at an abused lol
Page 117: "He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history." (「„プロフェッサー”と呼ばれたほ� �� �� ��天才忍者であり、歴代最強の影 として皆の尊敬を集め続ける。」, "'Purofessā' to yobareta hodo no tensai ninja de ari, rekidai saikyō no Hokage toshite mina no sonkei o atsume tsuzukeru")
Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代� �� �� �� �� �� ��火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満�� �� �� �� � �て いる。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")
Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と� �� �� �� �� �� ��われ、„忍の神”と謳われたこ�� �� �� �� � �も 。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")
Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代� �� �� �� �� �� ��火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満�� �� �� �� � �て いる。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")
Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と� �� �� �� �� �� ��われ、„忍の神”と謳われたこ�� �� �� �� � �も 。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")
However this was his mistake I read the quotes from the data book properly and it said he was called all these things.
So this is how I proved them wrong that kishi did not directly say that hiruzen was the strongest himself but said that he was called. No one made an argument against this all was fine for about an hour and (then guys you’re going to love this). All the hiruzen fans changed their argument to “orochimaru, kabuto and many others said this..”
So I re-read all of these scenes again and found out the hiruzen fans made the same mistake as they did with kishi, orochimaru never said he was any of these things but said he was “called” (Do really want scans go look your self)
Kabuto never said he was the greatest hokage but said he was the greatest kage of his generation.(go look your self hiruzen fans)
So that leaves the many others, you’re gonna love this guys the others which they have talked about were Iruka and Ebisu. The foddest fodders around. Elders didn’t even mention any of these things that was made up by a (not all just one)hiruzen fan.
---------------------------------------------
All the hiruzen fans use to use that kishi said he was called stuff against everyone on NB saying if you argue with this you argue with the manga. These were all false statements yet they continue to use this till I proved them wrong.
All was good they had realise their mistakes but your gonna love this guys they changed and I repeat changed their argument to say that hiruzen beat oro, hashi and tobi at old age so it is obvious he is the strongest.
Yet they fail to realise the following:
Hashi and tobi were mindless killing machines they did not have their own personalities and did not fight how they would if they were in control of their own bodies all they did was charge, attack and counter.
Another thing they didn’t realise oro was in control of their bodies oro did not know what they (mainly hashi) was truly capable of. This is why when kabuto revived madara after altering his body he left madara to be in control of his body (correcting the mistake oro did) and said something like “now I can finally witness a fragment of the so6p’s power”. Kabuto did not know what madara could do but he knew madara would be on his side anyway so he could leave him to do what he was truly capable of something oro could not because hashi and tobi would not fight hiruzen if he didn’t turn them to mindless killing machines.
Hiruzen did not win this battle in any way, hashi increased his mokuton to the size of the barrier they were locked in. (notice hashi can’t use his landscape changing abilities they were locked in a small area, also oro was in control and turned him into mindless zombie.)
Hiruzen realised there is no way he is going to win this battle so his only hope to protect the village was to give his life using RDS because there was no hope of him winning.
It doesn’t end there he couldn’t even beat his student, why? Because oro stabbed a sword through his chest preventing him from sealing him completely
Yes hiruzen stood his ground but he is hokage for a reason.
Hiruzen fans have changed their reason for saying he is the strongest so many times and I have proven them all wrong.
----------------------------------------------
When I ask hiruzen fans, ok he was called god of shinobi right? So that means he is stronger then madara rinnegan (not edo) I have not got one reply to this. You know why because this is when hiruzen fans realise ok I guess he wasn’t really god of shinobi.
You know why they say this because kishi has revealed what madara can do and this landscape changing abilities that he said hashi and him both had.
Bascially hiruzen fans are like the fodders they do not believe in hashi’s strength they think it is a fairy tale. Well I tell you kishi making madara say all these things for no reason.
Note: This is not a thread about Hashi>hiruzen about about how strong hiruzen fanboys say he is.
Why was you all using "god of shinobi" against hashi but when I mention madara I hear silence when madara has stated now they are both on the same level of landscape changing abilities.
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still doesn't change the fact that hiruzen solo'ed orochimaru, the first and the second all while being very old and probably close to dying of old age anyway.
Whether or not he was called the strongest doesn't really prove anything. who do you consider to be the absolute strongest character in naruto? no joke. i don't want to hear tonton or ramen guy or any of that nonsense and of course the SO6P is out of the question. has anybody stated that the person that YOU think to be the strongest IS the strongest? probably not.
what i'm trying to say is people like minato and hiruzen are noteworthy characters becasue they became strong on their own accord, not because they were born with some crazy advantage like sage body or sage eyes.
just because you only hear ebisu or iruka or orochimaru or kabuto mention that hiruzen was strong doesn't mean that they were the only ones to think that.
he was the hokage which meant that EVERYBODY acknowledged his strength as the mantra of naruto is that the strongest ninja in the village would be selected to be made hokage. you cant manipulate people to get that position. you wont be acknowledged.
again. hiruzen did not fight in his prime yet still manage to solo three hokage level ninja whether or not they were fighting to outright kill him. we all know via kabuto that orochimaru perfected the edo tensei so they were at full power, regardless of what many detractors want to think.
making them mindless killing machines was actually advantageous because it meant that they wouldn't suffer a premature release like what happen between kankuro and sasori. the first and second should actually be compared to haku and zabuza and not that they were being completely controlled by oro.
the user of the edo tensei has the abilty to manipulate any of his summons at any time but one good example of complete domination is the fight between the third raikage and naruto. that didn't happen with hiruzen's fight. i will watch again to confirm.
again it was an old hiruzen fighting and not prime hiruzen so i would mark the battle as one of his greatest and last individual accomplishments. unlike other people who were born with unnatural handicapps aka senju and uchiha.
for example sasuke. he has no great individual accomplishment yet every delusional sasuke fans claim that he is god yet without others help he would have been dead 100 chapters ago. sasuke has his youth plus sharingan and the uchiha bloodline, he will get better.
hiruzen doesn't have any of that, fought three awesome ninja while being very old his best years behind him and eeked out a win. that my friend is a boss.
Whether or not he was called the strongest doesn't really prove anything. who do you consider to be the absolute strongest character in naruto? no joke. i don't want to hear tonton or ramen guy or any of that nonsense and of course the SO6P is out of the question. has anybody stated that the person that YOU think to be the strongest IS the strongest? probably not.
what i'm trying to say is people like minato and hiruzen are noteworthy characters becasue they became strong on their own accord, not because they were born with some crazy advantage like sage body or sage eyes.
just because you only hear ebisu or iruka or orochimaru or kabuto mention that hiruzen was strong doesn't mean that they were the only ones to think that.
he was the hokage which meant that EVERYBODY acknowledged his strength as the mantra of naruto is that the strongest ninja in the village would be selected to be made hokage. you cant manipulate people to get that position. you wont be acknowledged.
again. hiruzen did not fight in his prime yet still manage to solo three hokage level ninja whether or not they were fighting to outright kill him. we all know via kabuto that orochimaru perfected the edo tensei so they were at full power, regardless of what many detractors want to think.
making them mindless killing machines was actually advantageous because it meant that they wouldn't suffer a premature release like what happen between kankuro and sasori. the first and second should actually be compared to haku and zabuza and not that they were being completely controlled by oro.
the user of the edo tensei has the abilty to manipulate any of his summons at any time but one good example of complete domination is the fight between the third raikage and naruto. that didn't happen with hiruzen's fight. i will watch again to confirm.
again it was an old hiruzen fighting and not prime hiruzen so i would mark the battle as one of his greatest and last individual accomplishments. unlike other people who were born with unnatural handicapps aka senju and uchiha.
for example sasuke. he has no great individual accomplishment yet every delusional sasuke fans claim that he is god yet without others help he would have been dead 100 chapters ago. sasuke has his youth plus sharingan and the uchiha bloodline, he will get better.
hiruzen doesn't have any of that, fought three awesome ninja while being very old his best years behind him and eeked out a win. that my friend is a boss.
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The Hidden Shinobi
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Dude use paragraphs please it is hard to read if you make a thread like that no one will read.
Inreply to you:
1) He did not die of old age oro stabbed a sword through his chest don't be silly.
2) You wasn't there when all the hiruzen fans were using him being called the strongest as an excuse, all of you were saying this then I proved everyone wrong so they changed there argument. That annoyed me.
3) Who cares who was born with what I am saying hashi is stronger.
4) Oro and kabuto did not say this don't include them. And yes they was not the only one (iruka and ebisu) but they are the only ones we know. but people were saying kishi said this. I proved them wrong.
5) he is hokage of course he stood his grown but there was no way he was going to win. Even he knew this after a while.
6) having someone who is evil and leaving them intact is the strongest edo (madara) not mindless zombies, in the hiruzen fight it was beneficial but not the strongest an edo can be.
7) you are right hiruzen was a boss and propbably the best without having a kkg or something. But he is not stronger then hashi yes hashi has a kkg and other things and is a direct descendant of the sage but he is what he is. So hashi>hiruzen
Hiruzen fans do not open
[/SIZE] this post that was meant to be a thread will tell you how foolish you have been.
Note: This is not a post about Hashirama>Hiruzen but is simply a thread about hiruzen and how strong hiruzen fans say he is.So I am talking about his "god of shinobi quote" is obviously wrong because well.. madara rinnegan (not edo) as well as other things.
Oro = Orochimaru
Hashi = Hashirama
Tobi = Tobirama
Masked tobi is not mentioned in this thread so no confusion.
About 3 days ago I made a thread and I asked “Who said hiruzen is the strongest” Someone replied the author in the databooks. I was then laughed that and abused lol
Don't believe me then go to post #491 on this page.
Then some wise guy posted the quotes from the data book then once again I was laughed at an abused lol
However this was his mistake I read the quotes from the data book properly and it said he was called all these things.
So this is how I proved them wrong that kishi did not directly say that hiruzen was the strongest himself but said that he was called. No one made an argument against this all was fine for about an hour and (then guys you’re going to love this). All the hiruzen fans changed their argument to “orochimaru, kabuto and many others said this..”
So I re-read all of these scenes again and found out the hiruzen fans made the same mistake as they did with kishi, orochimaru never said he was any of these things but said he was “called” (Do really want scans go look your self)
Kabuto never said he was the greatest hokage but said he was the greatest kage of his generation.(go look your self hiruzen fans)
So that leaves the many others, you’re gonna love this guys the others which they have talked about were Iruka and Ebisu. The foddest fodders around. Elders didn’t even mention any of these things that was made up by a (not all just one)hiruzen fan.
---------------------------------------------
All the hiruzen fans use to use that kishi said he was called stuff against everyone on NB saying if you argue with this you argue with the manga. These were all false statements yet they continue to use this till I proved them wrong.
All was good they had realise their mistakes but your gonna love this guys they changed and I repeat changed their argument to say that hiruzen beat oro, hashi and tobi at old age so it is obvious he is the strongest.
Yet they fail to realise the following:
Hashi and tobi were mindless killing machines they did not have their own personalities and did not fight how they would if they were in control of their own bodies all they did was charge, attack and counter.
Another thing they didn’t realise oro was in control of their bodies oro did not know what they (mainly hashi) was truly capable of. This is why when kabuto revived madara after altering his body he left madara to be in control of his body (correcting the mistake oro did) and said something like “now I can finally witness a fragment of the so6p’s power”. Kabuto did not know what madara could do but he knew madara would be on his side anyway so he could leave him to do what he was truly capable of something oro could not because hashi and tobi would not fight hiruzen if he didn’t turn them to mindless killing machines.
Hiruzen did not win this battle in any way, hashi increased his mokuton to the size of the barrier they were locked in. (notice hashi can’t use his landscape changing abilities they were locked in a small area, also oro was in control and turned him into mindless zombie.)
Hiruzen realised there is no way he is going to win this battle so his only hope to protect the village was to give his life using RDS because there was no hope of him winning.
It doesn’t end there he couldn’t even beat his student, why? Because oro stabbed a sword through his chest preventing him from sealing him completely
Yes hiruzen stood his ground but he is hokage for a reason.
Hiruzen fans have changed their reason for saying he is the strongest so many times and I have proven them all wrong.
----------------------------------------------
When I ask hiruzen fans, ok he was called god of shinobi right? So that means he is stronger then madara rinnegan (not edo) I have not got one reply to this. You know why because this is when hiruzen fans realise ok I guess he wasn’t really god of shinobi.
You know why they say this because kishi has revealed what madara can do and this landscape changing abilities that he said hashi and him both had.
Bascially hiruzen fans are like the fodders they do not believe in hashi’s strength they think it is a fairy tale. Well I tell you kishi making madara say all these things for no reason.
Note: This is not a thread about Hashi>hiruzen about about how strong hiruzen fanboys say he is.
Why was you all using "god of shinobi" against hashi but when I mention madara I hear silence when madara has stated now they are both on the same level of landscape changing abilities.
Oro = Orochimaru
Hashi = Hashirama
Tobi = Tobirama
Masked tobi is not mentioned in this thread so no confusion.
About 3 days ago I made a thread and I asked “Who said hiruzen is the strongest” Someone replied the author in the databooks. I was then laughed that and abused lol
You must be registered for see links
Don't believe me then go to post #491 on this page.
Then some wise guy posted the quotes from the data book then once again I was laughed at an abused lol
Page 117: "He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history." (「„プロフェッサー”と呼ばれたほ� �� �� ��天才忍者であり、歴代最強の影 として皆の尊敬を集め続ける。」, "'Purofessā' to yobareta hodo no tensai ninja de ari, rekidai saikyō no Hokage toshite mina no sonkei o atsume tsuzukeru")
Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代� �� �� �� �� �� ��火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満�� �� �� �� � �て いる。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")
Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と� �� �� �� �� �� ��われ、„忍の神”と謳われたこ�� �� �� �� � �も 。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")
Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代� �� �� �� �� �� ��火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満�� �� �� �� � �て いる。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")
Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と� �� �� �� �� �� ��われ、„忍の神”と謳われたこ�� �� �� �� � �も 。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")
However this was his mistake I read the quotes from the data book properly and it said he was called all these things.
So this is how I proved them wrong that kishi did not directly say that hiruzen was the strongest himself but said that he was called. No one made an argument against this all was fine for about an hour and (then guys you’re going to love this). All the hiruzen fans changed their argument to “orochimaru, kabuto and many others said this..”
So I re-read all of these scenes again and found out the hiruzen fans made the same mistake as they did with kishi, orochimaru never said he was any of these things but said he was “called” (Do really want scans go look your self)
Kabuto never said he was the greatest hokage but said he was the greatest kage of his generation.(go look your self hiruzen fans)
So that leaves the many others, you’re gonna love this guys the others which they have talked about were Iruka and Ebisu. The foddest fodders around. Elders didn’t even mention any of these things that was made up by a (not all just one)hiruzen fan.
---------------------------------------------
All the hiruzen fans use to use that kishi said he was called stuff against everyone on NB saying if you argue with this you argue with the manga. These were all false statements yet they continue to use this till I proved them wrong.
All was good they had realise their mistakes but your gonna love this guys they changed and I repeat changed their argument to say that hiruzen beat oro, hashi and tobi at old age so it is obvious he is the strongest.
Yet they fail to realise the following:
Hashi and tobi were mindless killing machines they did not have their own personalities and did not fight how they would if they were in control of their own bodies all they did was charge, attack and counter.
Another thing they didn’t realise oro was in control of their bodies oro did not know what they (mainly hashi) was truly capable of. This is why when kabuto revived madara after altering his body he left madara to be in control of his body (correcting the mistake oro did) and said something like “now I can finally witness a fragment of the so6p’s power”. Kabuto did not know what madara could do but he knew madara would be on his side anyway so he could leave him to do what he was truly capable of something oro could not because hashi and tobi would not fight hiruzen if he didn’t turn them to mindless killing machines.
Hiruzen did not win this battle in any way, hashi increased his mokuton to the size of the barrier they were locked in. (notice hashi can’t use his landscape changing abilities they were locked in a small area, also oro was in control and turned him into mindless zombie.)
Hiruzen realised there is no way he is going to win this battle so his only hope to protect the village was to give his life using RDS because there was no hope of him winning.
It doesn’t end there he couldn’t even beat his student, why? Because oro stabbed a sword through his chest preventing him from sealing him completely
Yes hiruzen stood his ground but he is hokage for a reason.
Hiruzen fans have changed their reason for saying he is the strongest so many times and I have proven them all wrong.
----------------------------------------------
When I ask hiruzen fans, ok he was called god of shinobi right? So that means he is stronger then madara rinnegan (not edo) I have not got one reply to this. You know why because this is when hiruzen fans realise ok I guess he wasn’t really god of shinobi.
You know why they say this because kishi has revealed what madara can do and this landscape changing abilities that he said hashi and him both had.
Bascially hiruzen fans are like the fodders they do not believe in hashi’s strength they think it is a fairy tale. Well I tell you kishi making madara say all these things for no reason.
Note: This is not a thread about Hashi>hiruzen about about how strong hiruzen fanboys say he is.
Why was you all using "god of shinobi" against hashi but when I mention madara I hear silence when madara has stated now they are both on the same level of landscape changing abilities.
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full fight against music. again. mindless machines like haku and zabuza not total control like third raikage. look at 4:49. The first and the second are DEAD but they didn't die because they are edo. 5:25 two shadow clones. how much can kakashi do? This fight is boss. hiruzen is boss. prove me wrong. the ONLY reason people refuse to accept the bossness of hiruzen is because of CURRENT madara who is SUPER POWERED WAAAY BEYOND HIS PRIME WHICH WAS WHEN HE FOUGHT HASHIRAMA. Dont believe me, well, I know that this video is not cannon or comparable to the manga but just observe.
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SAME mokuton powers hashi demonstrated against EMS maddara is the same he did against hiruzen. Hiruzen is boss. No argument
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Hiruzen is a BOSS! I never said he wasn't all I am saying is hashi is stronger. And the first and the second would not be dead if they were in complete control (true story). I think I remember kakashi doing like 50 but I think kishi got rid of that idea because after the zabuza arc I haven't seen it again.
To the second video that is not the same mokuton powers hashi did against hiruzen this won is much better and larger being able to full hold down the nine tails 4:19 kurama is much bigger then hiruzen (tell me Im wrong) hashi did much more in this fight did he not? MUCH MORE and this isn't even everything hashi can do this is not the full fight kishi will show us hopefully one day.
And I think Hashi and madara ems > hiruzen he would put up a good fight but still hashi and madara are stronger to me.
So conclusion hiruzen is a boss but Hashi>hiruzen
But you really shouldn't of posted that second vid it proves even more that if hashi was in control of his own body he would be better then in the fight with hiruzen when he was controlled by oro.
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Hiruzen did not win ok you need to accept that. He had a sword through his chest and died. Oro won and he survived till part 2 of naruto. Hiruzen could not beat the 1st and 2nd his only hope was to use RDS. AM I WRONG??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Also you are wrong again because I said that because the 1st and the 2nd were not in control of their bodies they could not fight to their full potential. In the second video hashi fought much better then when under oro. Am I wrong???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Hashi defeated ems madara but even so
ems madara and hashi > hiruzen answer the two questions when I said am I wrong don't ignore them.
i dont know why you lumped ems madara with hashi unless your tryin to say that ems madara=tobimaru or better yet ems madara=tobimaru+orochimaru.
i dont know if ems madara+hashirama>hiruzen. most likely. i wont debate that but what cant be debated is hiruzen> hashi + tobima + oro.
what two questions?
The Hidden Shinobi
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What the hell? I am saying
Hashi>hiruzen
Ems madara>hiruzen what are you talking about?
With the long questions marks next to them stop acting like you can't see them reply to those paragraphs with the long questions marks next to them. Untill you do I am not replying to u. Later dude
Hiruzen did not win ok you need to accept that. He had a sword through his chest and died. Oro won and he survived till part 2 of naruto. Hiruzen could not beat the 1st and 2nd his only hope was to use RDS. AM I WRONG????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????
hiruzen's soul was sealed. not his body. the sword didnt kill him. it just stopped him from sealing oro along with him. his only hope wasnt to use the rds. it was his last resort. as the battle dragged on he realised that by destroying the bodies he couldnt win and his only chance was to seal the edo. am I wrong? tell me how does one defeat an edo again? and how many ninja can fight without arms and legs? he knew that if the battle dragged on he would eventually lose. so he did what he had to do.
Also you are wrong again because I said that because the 1st and the 2nd were not in control of their bodies they could not fight to their full potential. In the second video hashi fought much better then when under oro. Am I wrong????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????
gaaras father, muu, third raikage, nagato, haku, zabuza, ....no edo has control of their bodies. remember when they were revived? what did they say? the only person they get out of edo's control was itachi. every other edo is still being manipulated. kabuto took full control of the third raikage and nagato. they had zero control of their actions. when the first and the second were first summoned they were like gaaras father and sasori and most other summons. then oro did what kabuto did to haku and zabuza. made them mindless killers. get the point. the first and second were like haku and zabuza not like nagato and the third raikage. by your logic then haku and zabuza were not fighting to their full potential right?
Hashi defeated ems madara but even so
ems madara and hashi > hiruzen answer the two questions when I said am I wrong don't ignore them.
i dont know why you lumped ems madara with hashi unless your tryin to say that ems madara=tobimaru or better yet ems madara=tobimaru+orochimaru.
i dont know if ems madara+hashirama>hiruzen. most likely. i wont debate that but what cant be debated is hiruzen> hashi + tobima + oro.
what two questions?
hiruzen's soul was sealed. not his body. the sword didnt kill him. it just stopped him from sealing oro along with him. his only hope wasnt to use the rds. it was his last resort. as the battle dragged on he realised that by destroying the bodies he couldnt win and his only chance was to seal the edo. am I wrong? tell me how does one defeat an edo again? and how many ninja can fight without arms and legs? he knew that if the battle dragged on he would eventually lose. so he did what he had to do.
Also you are wrong again because I said that because the 1st and the 2nd were not in control of their bodies they could not fight to their full potential. In the second video hashi fought much better then when under oro. Am I wrong????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????
gaaras father, muu, third raikage, nagato, haku, zabuza, ....no edo has control of their bodies. remember when they were revived? what did they say? the only person they get out of edo's control was itachi. every other edo is still being manipulated. kabuto took full control of the third raikage and nagato. they had zero control of their actions. when the first and the second were first summoned they were like gaaras father and sasori and most other summons. then oro did what kabuto did to haku and zabuza. made them mindless killers. get the point. the first and second were like haku and zabuza not like nagato and the third raikage. by your logic then haku and zabuza were not fighting to their full potential right?
Hashi defeated ems madara but even so
ems madara and hashi > hiruzen answer the two questions when I said am I wrong don't ignore them.
i dont know why you lumped ems madara with hashi unless your tryin to say that ems madara=tobimaru or better yet ems madara=tobimaru+orochimaru.
i dont know if ems madara+hashirama>hiruzen. most likely. i wont debate that but what cant be debated is hiruzen> hashi + tobima + oro.
what two questions?
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Dude can't you quote?
No dude he realised he could not win simple as a b c. You don't have to seal edo's using RDS you can use many sealing methods, hiruzen was said to know all the jutsu in konoha so he must of had another sealing tech but he wasn't skilled enough to use it on such strong opponents. RDS is the easiest and only way he could or else he wouldn't of used it.
No dude when kabuto first revives them they are in control he can control them afterwards madara was left in control of his own body. Do not tell me that edo's are not in control of their bodies at first because I will prove you wrong. Please don't.
Madara is in full control of his body if kabuto is control edo's are not fighting to their full potential you know why because they are not doing what they want the person controlling them is.
Dude forget what you fought I meant I am saying
EMS madara> hiruzen
Hashi>hiruzen
stop trying to twist my words. its not working.
watch the first video link I posted and if you can start watching from about 3:45. that is when the real battle started. that is when oro went from observing to actually fighting and it was quite clear that they were not like nagato or the third raikage but more like haku and zabuza. answer my question. how does one defeat an edo?
dont know? maybe this can help:
from here on i will just very lazily copy and paste.
Different talismans can be used to enact different degrees of control. Orochimaru's talismans completely eliminated the personalities of the summoned, turning them into mindless killing machines under his command. Kabuto prefers to use a weaker binding talisman on certain individuals, allowing them to retain some degree of their own personality. The latter method is useful for psychological warfare,[13] and can also allow the summoned individual to tap into their own emotions, memories, or creativity to enhance their effectiveness in combat,[14] but also carries a host of drawbacks; it takes more effort to retain control with the weaker binding which can make it possible for the hearts of the summoned to be swayed by strong emotions, which can result in the soul breaking free and returning to the Pure World,[10] or the reincarnated contradicting orders that they are given.[15] Reincarnated shinobi with their personalities still intact have their movements limited to certain actions, and are basically on "auto-pilot" to react to enemy techniques.[16] Once they recognise an enemy technique their bodies are programmed to counter it with an appropriate method.[17]
Even so, Kabuto can completely remove their personalities if he needed, and may elect to if they resist his command too strongly. After gaining more experience with the technique, and absorbing Orochimaru's chakra from Anko Mitarashi, Kabuto exerts greater control over the summoned and can even overwrite his own talismans, greatly increasing the power of the binding.[10] Once deployed, he can either remotely control or track the summoned individuals using pebbles he manipulates on a simple grid, which acts as a map of sorts.[18] When a reincarnated person is sealed, the pebble cracks and disappears, and the reincarnated shinobi can no longer be used to summon others. This was seen when Haku an Zabuza were immobilised by Kakashi, Maki, and the rest of their division. The pebble for his trump card was black in colour while the others are light-coloured.[19] The summoner can also directly talk through the summoned individual.[20]
Unlike while they were still alive, the reincarnated seem to have nearly unlimited stamina and can fight continuously, as neither Kimimaro nor Itachi showed any fatigue from their illnesses as they did in life, and Itachi was even able to use multiple Mangekyō Sharingan techniques without showing exhaustion, while minor uses caused fatigue in life.
The revived are impossible to kill by normal means. Any damage they receive will easily regenerate, be it lost limbs or complete disintegration. Not even killing the summoner will get rid of them.[21] The summoned can make practical use of the this regeneration ability by using suicide attacks and large scale ninjutsu to wipe out everything on a battlefield and then simply regenerate.[22][23]
Kabuto can also modify his summoned fighters, as he did with Madara Uchiha, claiming that he made him even better than he was in his prime.[24] Tobi also modified the eyes of the revived jinchūriki to match his own,[25] as well as resealing the tailed beasts back into their respective hosts.
There. my laziness has kicked in. i answered all of your questions. if not just re-post the question and not say that i am ignoring them. OK
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from here on i will just very lazily copy and paste.
Different talismans can be used to enact different degrees of control. Orochimaru's talismans completely eliminated the personalities of the summoned, turning them into mindless killing machines under his command. Kabuto prefers to use a weaker binding talisman on certain individuals, allowing them to retain some degree of their own personality. The latter method is useful for psychological warfare,[13] and can also allow the summoned individual to tap into their own emotions, memories, or creativity to enhance their effectiveness in combat,[14] but also carries a host of drawbacks; it takes more effort to retain control with the weaker binding which can make it possible for the hearts of the summoned to be swayed by strong emotions, which can result in the soul breaking free and returning to the Pure World,[10] or the reincarnated contradicting orders that they are given.[15] Reincarnated shinobi with their personalities still intact have their movements limited to certain actions, and are basically on "auto-pilot" to react to enemy techniques.[16] Once they recognise an enemy technique their bodies are programmed to counter it with an appropriate method.[17]
Even so, Kabuto can completely remove their personalities if he needed, and may elect to if they resist his command too strongly. After gaining more experience with the technique, and absorbing Orochimaru's chakra from Anko Mitarashi, Kabuto exerts greater control over the summoned and can even overwrite his own talismans, greatly increasing the power of the binding.[10] Once deployed, he can either remotely control or track the summoned individuals using pebbles he manipulates on a simple grid, which acts as a map of sorts.[18] When a reincarnated person is sealed, the pebble cracks and disappears, and the reincarnated shinobi can no longer be used to summon others. This was seen when Haku an Zabuza were immobilised by Kakashi, Maki, and the rest of their division. The pebble for his trump card was black in colour while the others are light-coloured.[19] The summoner can also directly talk through the summoned individual.[20]
Unlike while they were still alive, the reincarnated seem to have nearly unlimited stamina and can fight continuously, as neither Kimimaro nor Itachi showed any fatigue from their illnesses as they did in life, and Itachi was even able to use multiple Mangekyō Sharingan techniques without showing exhaustion, while minor uses caused fatigue in life.
The revived are impossible to kill by normal means. Any damage they receive will easily regenerate, be it lost limbs or complete disintegration. Not even killing the summoner will get rid of them.[21] The summoned can make practical use of the this regeneration ability by using suicide attacks and large scale ninjutsu to wipe out everything on a battlefield and then simply regenerate.[22][23]
Kabuto can also modify his summoned fighters, as he did with Madara Uchiha, claiming that he made him even better than he was in his prime.[24] Tobi also modified the eyes of the revived jinchūriki to match his own,[25] as well as resealing the tailed beasts back into their respective hosts.
There. my laziness has kicked in. i answered all of your questions. if not just re-post the question and not say that i am ignoring them. OK
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Dude kabuto's edo's are diff from oro kabuto can make his edo's have complete control of their bodies.
What you are saying is not proving me to me that Hashi>hiruzen, i actually don't know what your talking about now. so this is the last I reply later dude.
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Hiruzen fans do not open
this post that was meant to be a thread will tell you how foolish you have been.
Note: This is not a post about Hashirama>Hiruzen but is simply a thread about hiruzen and how strong hiruzen fans say he is.So I am talking about his "god of shinobi quote" is obviously wrong because well.. madara rinnegan (not edo) as well as other things.
Oro = Orochimaru
Hashi = Hashirama
Tobi = Tobirama
Masked tobi is not mentioned in this thread so no confusion.
About 3 days ago I made a thread and I asked “Who said hiruzen is the strongest” Someone replied the author in the databooks. I was then laughed that and abused lol
Don't believe me then go to post #491 on this page.
Then some wise guy posted the quotes from the data book then once again I was laughed at an abused lol
However this was his mistake I read the quotes from the data book properly and it said he was called all these things.
So this is how I proved them wrong that kishi did not directly say that hiruzen was the strongest himself but said that he was called. No one made an argument against this all was fine for about an hour and (then guys you’re going to love this). All the hiruzen fans changed their argument to “orochimaru, kabuto and many others said this..”
So I re-read all of these scenes again and found out the hiruzen fans made the same mistake as they did with kishi, orochimaru never said he was any of these things but said he was “called” (Do really want scans go look your self)
Kabuto never said he was the greatest hokage but said he was the greatest kage of his generation.(go look your self hiruzen fans)
So that leaves the many others, you’re gonna love this guys the others which they have talked about were Iruka and Ebisu. The foddest fodders around. Elders didn’t even mention any of these things that was made up by a (not all just one)hiruzen fan.
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All the hiruzen fans use to use that kishi said he was called stuff against everyone on NB saying if you argue with this you argue with the manga. These were all false statements yet they continue to use this till I proved them wrong.
All was good they had realise their mistakes but your gonna love this guys they changed and I repeat changed their argument to say that hiruzen beat oro, hashi and tobi at old age so it is obvious he is the strongest.
Yet they fail to realise the following:
Hashi and tobi were mindless killing machines they did not have their own personalities and did not fight how they would if they were in control of their own bodies all they did was charge, attack and counter.
Another thing they didn’t realise oro was in control of their bodies oro did not know what they (mainly hashi) was truly capable of. This is why when kabuto revived madara after altering his body he left madara to be in control of his body (correcting the mistake oro did) and said something like “now I can finally witness a fragment of the so6p’s power”. Kabuto did not know what madara could do but he knew madara would be on his side anyway so he could leave him to do what he was truly capable of something oro could not because hashi and tobi would not fight hiruzen if he didn’t turn them to mindless killing machines.
Hiruzen did not win this battle in any way, hashi increased his mokuton to the size of the barrier they were locked in. (notice hashi can’t use his landscape changing abilities they were locked in a small area, also oro was in control and turned him into mindless zombie.)
Hiruzen realised there is no way he is going to win this battle so his only hope to protect the village was to give his life using RDS because there was no hope of him winning.
It doesn’t end there he couldn’t even beat his student, why? Because oro stabbed a sword through his chest preventing him from sealing him completely
Yes hiruzen stood his ground but he is hokage for a reason.
Hiruzen fans have changed their reason for saying he is the strongest so many times and I have proven them all wrong.
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When I ask hiruzen fans, ok he was called god of shinobi right? So that means he is stronger then madara rinnegan (not edo) I have not got one reply to this. You know why because this is when hiruzen fans realise ok I guess he wasn’t really god of shinobi.
You know why they say this because kishi has revealed what madara can do and this landscape changing abilities that he said hashi and him both had.
Bascially hiruzen fans are like the fodders they do not believe in hashi’s strength they think it is a fairy tale. Well I tell you kishi making madara say all these things for no reason.
Note: This is not a thread about Hashi>hiruzen about about how strong hiruzen fanboys say he is.
Why was you all using "god of shinobi" against hashi but when I mention madara I hear silence when madara has stated now they are both on the same level of landscape changing abilities.
Oro = Orochimaru
Hashi = Hashirama
Tobi = Tobirama
Masked tobi is not mentioned in this thread so no confusion.
About 3 days ago I made a thread and I asked “Who said hiruzen is the strongest” Someone replied the author in the databooks. I was then laughed that and abused lol
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Don't believe me then go to post #491 on this page.
Then some wise guy posted the quotes from the data book then once again I was laughed at an abused lol
Page 117: "He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history." (「„プロフェッサー”と呼ばれたほ� �� �� ��天才忍者であり、歴代最強の影 として皆の尊敬を集め続ける。」, "'Purofessā' to yobareta hodo no tensai ninja de ari, rekidai saikyō no Hokage toshite mina no sonkei o atsume tsuzukeru")
Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代� �� �� �� �� �� ��火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満�� �� �� �� � �て いる。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")
Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と� �� �� �� �� �� ��われ、„忍の神”と謳われたこ�� �� �� �� � �も 。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")
Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代� �� �� �� �� �� ��火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満�� �� �� �� � �て いる。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")
Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と� �� �� �� �� �� ��われ、„忍の神”と謳われたこ�� �� �� �� � �も 。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")
However this was his mistake I read the quotes from the data book properly and it said he was called all these things.
So this is how I proved them wrong that kishi did not directly say that hiruzen was the strongest himself but said that he was called. No one made an argument against this all was fine for about an hour and (then guys you’re going to love this). All the hiruzen fans changed their argument to “orochimaru, kabuto and many others said this..”
So I re-read all of these scenes again and found out the hiruzen fans made the same mistake as they did with kishi, orochimaru never said he was any of these things but said he was “called” (Do really want scans go look your self)
Kabuto never said he was the greatest hokage but said he was the greatest kage of his generation.(go look your self hiruzen fans)
So that leaves the many others, you’re gonna love this guys the others which they have talked about were Iruka and Ebisu. The foddest fodders around. Elders didn’t even mention any of these things that was made up by a (not all just one)hiruzen fan.
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All the hiruzen fans use to use that kishi said he was called stuff against everyone on NB saying if you argue with this you argue with the manga. These were all false statements yet they continue to use this till I proved them wrong.
All was good they had realise their mistakes but your gonna love this guys they changed and I repeat changed their argument to say that hiruzen beat oro, hashi and tobi at old age so it is obvious he is the strongest.
Yet they fail to realise the following:
Hashi and tobi were mindless killing machines they did not have their own personalities and did not fight how they would if they were in control of their own bodies all they did was charge, attack and counter.
Another thing they didn’t realise oro was in control of their bodies oro did not know what they (mainly hashi) was truly capable of. This is why when kabuto revived madara after altering his body he left madara to be in control of his body (correcting the mistake oro did) and said something like “now I can finally witness a fragment of the so6p’s power”. Kabuto did not know what madara could do but he knew madara would be on his side anyway so he could leave him to do what he was truly capable of something oro could not because hashi and tobi would not fight hiruzen if he didn’t turn them to mindless killing machines.
Hiruzen did not win this battle in any way, hashi increased his mokuton to the size of the barrier they were locked in. (notice hashi can’t use his landscape changing abilities they were locked in a small area, also oro was in control and turned him into mindless zombie.)
Hiruzen realised there is no way he is going to win this battle so his only hope to protect the village was to give his life using RDS because there was no hope of him winning.
It doesn’t end there he couldn’t even beat his student, why? Because oro stabbed a sword through his chest preventing him from sealing him completely
Yes hiruzen stood his ground but he is hokage for a reason.
Hiruzen fans have changed their reason for saying he is the strongest so many times and I have proven them all wrong.
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When I ask hiruzen fans, ok he was called god of shinobi right? So that means he is stronger then madara rinnegan (not edo) I have not got one reply to this. You know why because this is when hiruzen fans realise ok I guess he wasn’t really god of shinobi.
You know why they say this because kishi has revealed what madara can do and this landscape changing abilities that he said hashi and him both had.
Bascially hiruzen fans are like the fodders they do not believe in hashi’s strength they think it is a fairy tale. Well I tell you kishi making madara say all these things for no reason.
Note: This is not a thread about Hashi>hiruzen about about how strong hiruzen fanboys say he is.
Why was you all using "god of shinobi" against hashi but when I mention madara I hear silence when madara has stated now they are both on the same level of landscape changing abilities.