Perfect Susanoo needs Rinnegan

[allWILLknowPAIN]

I know this thread has been made thousands of times in the last two weeks but im sick of people ignoring facts. The rinnegan is the next evolution of sharingan as state by kabuto here and next page madara proves it true:

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Also for those who say well madara is just using rinnegan but it's an ems tech and narutopedia says so i will now post parts of the manga from madara fighting clearly show him switching between different eyes to use different techs:
Page 1: Madara has been using final form susanoo an ems tech but as he sees he's going to be hit he switchs to rinnegan

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Page 2:Madara uses Chibaku Tensei to create giant meteor or atleast pull them in clearly same tech kishi is getting lazy with saying jutsu name aka he spams "sharingan genjutsu"

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Page 3: 5 kage fight madara's wood clones with susanoo all using susanoo.... and madara uses a sharingan gen on the raikage WITH THE EMS:

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Page 4: Madara awakens perfect susanoo with the rinnegan activated:

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Also if rinnegan is the final evolution of the sharingan IT IS TECHINQUELY A SHARINGAN so saying well its and ems tech seriously just doesnt work. Why would the wood clones be using ems if they could just have rinnegan open to use those techs and original madara is just standing there with rinnegan activated?

1 it does not say that ems changes into rinnengan when u get srtong enough with ems you can awaken rinnengan

2 chibak tense to make the meteors? no no no if that was the case it would have sucked every one up cause if you remeber when pain did it then you would have not said this stupid thing

3 this proves that the shanigan did not change into rinnengan but he just has bolth powers

4 so then why does pain/nagato not have perfect susano if it is rinnengan, if he learned gedo mazu then he could learn perfect susano if it were a rinnengan

finally the thing u said about rinnengan being shanigan is one of the dumbest things i have ever heard they are completly seperate and it is proven cause he switches between them so his shanigan does not become rinnengan he just unlocks it your theory is so flawed

 

[Super Kami Guru]

1 it does not say that ems changes into rinnengan when u get srtong enough with ems you can awaken rinnengan

2 chibak tense to make the meteors? no no no if that was the case it would have sucked every one up cause if you remeber when pain did it then you would have not said this stupid thing

3 this proves that the shanigan did not change into rinnengan but he just has bolth powers

4 so then why does pain/nagato have perfect susano if it is rinnengan

finally the thing u said about rinnengan being shanigan is one of the dumbest things i have ever heard they are completly seperate and it is proven cause he switches between them so his shanigan does not become rinnengan he just unlocks it your theory is so flawed

im sorry but ive literally covered all those points i know its a long thread.

1.madara himself state when one masters and progresses past the sharingan he awakens the rinnegan. The UCHIHA tablet requires sharigan ms and rinnegan to read? why would uchihas need a rinnegan to read a tablet if they couldnt normaly awaken it?

2.i understand chibaku tensai is lil far fetched i should strayed from the point but it had to power to create to move if its not the he's probably use the retraction power of rinnegan to pull meteors in if not either how does one simply create meteors?(not a power of susanoo...)

3. how does ont progress from sharingan/ems to rinnegan but them not be related? A leads to B but B isnt related to A is a illogical statement.... by logic

4.pain/nagato isnt an uchiha.... apparently according to tobi his rinnegan was implanted. Even if it wasnt implanted he never had ms which is required for using susanoo. SO if youre saying susanoo is ms tech alone kakashi should be able to use susanoo?

5.if they are seperate that means he has to switch to use different techniques but from original links and others i show he does rarely rarely switch between the two. If they are completely seperate he shouldnt be able to use susanoo with the rinnegan active and he does..... than he goes and uses PS with rinnegan active by your arguement he shouldnt be able to use susanoo at all with his rinnegan and he does on several pages.

Finally my theory is not that susanoo isnt a e/ms tech its that PERFECT SUSANOO requires rinnegan i know itd be a bitch to read all the pages but many people have brought up your arguements... And yes this is a theory it can be proven wrong however until kishi says/prints something otherwise I can be right as well as wrong sooo we gotta wait

 

[kotoamatsukami]

i know he can but than why does he have rinnegan active when he activated PS? clearly has rinnegan on for that and complete susanoo if they are different he's using "ms" techs with a rinnegan aka not possible if they werent related....

second part itachi said nothing of conquering nations he said it gave birth to completely new doujutsu.... basically one with no reprecussions and eternal ms.... one that never loses it's light thats the power up he's refering too

Go reread he said wit this new power madara took over nations. Something about a new tec that comes from these eyes.

He can summon any kind of susanoo wit his rennigan out but he don't Need rennigan to do it.

 

[kisamexRocks]

LOL kakashi withe Susano would be dead in an instant on the amount of pain and damage his body would take.

The only so for technique madara used requiring rinnegan was the meteors. His susano did hand seals and called them in but its a rinnegan technique. Nagato used a small one when he and itachi met kb and naruto.

Complete susano is MS, Perfect Susano is ems. Rinnegan possibly just increased size and stability.

 

[LeEvilTongue]

No it doesn't need Rinnegan...

 

[Lentz]

Why so much discussion lol, the manga proves Madara used perfect Susanoo against the Woodman and that he only had EMS then.

 

[Raikiri10]

I agree otherwise characters like Sasuke would be spamming perfect susanoo like there's no tomorrow.

 

[ledi4shezy]

please dont forget the fact that sasuke upgraded his susano by placing amaterasu around it without activating and rinnegan. The question here is how did Madara get the rinnegan? Because the way manga explained it was not detailed. It seemed like he absorbed something 4rm hashirama and cooked it up with his sharingan before he got the rinnegan. Madara was too smart and i bet during his fight with hashirama he was planning way ahead in the future.