Sound 5 Vs 7 Swordsman

[Uchiha seeker]

theyre mysteriously overpowered... they were so over powered that the c=some how got out of edo and killed themselves making kakashi and their group think that they killed them....

 

[ItachiSan03]

What hes trying to say is that we dont know anything about him or any of them..

I know, i know, it was just a joke

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

this is not fair..

the sound 5 were defeated by part 1 Naruto characters. Mist Swordsmen proved to be a challenge to the part 2 Naruto characters.

the only one who would hold his own is Kimmimaru but he would be outnumbered 1 to 7..

 

[ItachiSan03]

this is not fair..

the sound 5 were defeated by part 1 Naruto characters. Mist Swordsmen proved to be a challenge to the part 2 Naruto characters.

the only one who would hold his own is Kimmimaru but he would be outnumbered 1 to 7..

Yo, read some of the previous posts, there were some good arguments for sound five.

 

[Reborn]

Yo, read some of the previous posts, there were some good arguments for sound five.

Yeah, like common sense and the fact that none of the swordsmen fought any characters of note worthy potential except for Kakashi and Gai. also what we saw from the swordsmen was lacking in depth of ability to discern whether or not they even had abilities outside the uses of their blade or more applications of their swords' abilities.

While the sound five all had at least a single episode for each of their individual fights and we saw their fullest capabilities. So yeah.....how does anything translate?

 

[Uchiha seeker]

oooh Zabuza was totally telling kakashi all of the swordsmans weaknesses so they beat them

 

[ItachiSan03]

Yeah, like common sense and the fact that none of the swordsmen fought any characters of note worthy potential except for Kakashi and Gai. also what we saw from the swordsmen was lacking in depth of ability to discern whether or not they even had abilities outside the uses of their blade or more applications of their swords' abilities.

While the sound five all had at least a single episode for each of their individual fights and we saw their fullest capabilities. So yeah.....how does anything translate?

What's your point? My opinion is that 7 swordsmen will win but sound 5 will give them a run for their money. Do you have a problem with that or something? Im completely open for arguments for sound 5, you dont have to be a jerk :shrug:

 

[Sonin]

My argument is part 1 scaling is way different, When Kabuto used them they seemed pretty damn strong.

 

[Reborn]

What's your point? My opinion is that 7 swordsmen will win but sound 5 will give them a run for their money. Do you have a problem with that or something? Im completely open for arguments for sound 5, you dont have to be a jerk :shrug:

My point is logically the skills of the swordsmen as we've seen them are not developed well enough for us to use them in a vs. thread against characters like this, where we've seen them to their fullest potential. The arguments that can be made for the side of the Sound 5 contain more depth then the arguments that can be made by Seven Swordsmen being used in this scenario. It's not a case of we know all the swordsmens abilities and they don't have anything to combat with against the sound, it's that we havn't seen their abilities and don't know if they have abilities to put up a fight against their abilities.

And I'm not being jerk, rehtorical/minorly sarcastic questions used in debates is how you debate anywhere, it's not like I was using profanity or insulting anybody, I'm just trying to get my point across like anybody else and I'm not doing it in a way that's hurting anybody

and I was addressing the same quote as you but using your post to bounce off it.

 

[ItachiSan03]

My point is logically the skills of the swordsmen as we've seen them are not developed well enough for us to use them in a vs. thread against characters like this, where we've seen them to their fullest potential. The arguments that can be made for the side of the Sound 5 contain more depth then the arguments that can be made by Seven Swordsmen being used in this scenario. It's not a case of we know all the swordsmens abilities and they don't have anything to combat with against the sound, it's that we havn't seen their abilities and don't know if they have abilities to put up a fight against their abilities.

And I'm not being jerk, rehtorical/minorly sarcastic questions used in debates is how you debate anywhere, it's not like I was using profanity or insulting anybody, I'm just trying to get my point across like anybody else and I'm not doing it in a way that's hurting anybody

and I was addressing the same quote as you but using your post to bounce off it.

Ok i see your point thank you.

 

[Reborn]

Ok i see your point thank you.

Yeah I wasn't trying to sound agressive or insulting, if I did at first I apologize. I kida just want this thread to be used to a better potential and have the swordsmen who's abilities we know of on the spot so that we can see heavier fact based arguments instead of mainly assumption based because of the situation of lacking information on the abilities of the other swordsment.

 

[BusinessManTeno]

Kidomaru
Bone guy
and Tayuya whoops ass
U_U

 

[soulless uchiha]

seven swordsmen stomp

 

[Uchiha Riyo]

To be honest, I reckon The Seven Swordsmen outnumber and out-skill Sound 5, apart from maybe Kimimaro. Kimimaro is the only major threat that could take out about 3 people. The rest aren't as strong.

 

[BusinessManTeno]

are you guys being serious?
how the hell can a guy with a explosive tag sword take out the spider guy?

 

[Joki]

Swordsmen stomp. Sound 5 are outclassed, 2 tokubetsu jonin almost killed them. This is vs 7 potentially jonin level ninja only topped by an entire shinobi alliance division and characters who can only easily solo the Sound 5 themselves.

First we have Tayuya w/ her genjutsu. This might be good 1 on 1 or very useful in general, unfortunately Samehada is of very high caliber and can simply break Fuguki out or any of the other swordsman. When a sound member attempts to attack after that safely friom outside the genjutsu they will get quite the rude awakening. We know how genjutsu works and how it is broken out of, I'm pretty surprised people think Tayuya's jutsu will be of use here or actually do anything other than hurt the sound 5!

Then Shikamaru. He did not plan ahead, his strategies were mediocre at best. He was easily destroyed by Tayuya, but 2 ants fighting at it doesn't really make a significant difference when compared to someone much stronger.

Anyway, everyone else is fairly straightforward but the upsides of most of the reasons 7 swordsmen win lie with them. Mangetsu is a hozuki, he has a water body, no physical attack will work on him. And extendable chakra sword? Completely annihilates any one with in a fairly large radius. He also has water gun, and they can't really hurt him. Oh yeah, and he's accompanied by 6 other swordsmen.

Jinpachi. the blast sword, speaks for itself and one=shots anyone near. Jinin who has the helm splitter, easily handles someone like Jirobo or Kidomaru with any defense they can muster, also one-shots anyone within his reach. Ringo has the raiton swords which also speak for themselves.

Fuguki & Samehada, yes. It makes the entire team immune to genjutsu and Samehada is samehada. One slash can suck up 6 tails of the Hachibi chakra, and in one swipe all of Naruto's kyuubi chakra in part 1 was gone. All he has to do is swipe on any one character and their chakra is depleted, fuguki and the team will be constantly restored by Samehada as well.

Kushimaru and Zabuza: Kushimaru was shown to have excellent speed and blitzed like 10 guys who each give the sound a run for their money albeit being 'fodder', I wouldn't be too surprised if he was capable of blitzing and stitching together sound 5 from the start. Zabuza outsped Kakashi, who he and other jonin clearly clearly outclass the sound. I mentioned Zabuza and Kushi in the same paragraph for that very reason, Kushi's faster.

Now with that all said, the 1 obvious thing I left out was the hidden mist jutsu. Which every swordsmen knows, and has mastered the silent killing. Each of these shinobi is a master at using sound and their other senses to fight while blind. Sound 5 will be fighting completely without eyesight and they are genin ninja, they simply can't compare and I'm very surprised to people who think they can.

O_O
WHAT?!

lmao
Sound 5 MURDERES

Jorobi can maybe take......... Mangetsu... and the blunt sword dude

Kidomaru has aiming on that arrow not even the byakugan can keep up with. plus the webs most ppl cant get out of.

The twins can seperate and pretty much pwn

and Tayuya. with them 3 demon things.... PSH!. Only a genius like shikamaru could defeat her and even then he was about to die....

The bone dude would pretty much kill the fat guy....... and Zabuza...

And guys. PLEASE. stop saying they was taken out by genin.

Chouji -Butterfly Mode . Forbidden jutsu.... He pretty much could have solod anybody at the time

Neji Almost died. and even then. HE was the strongest of the genin. they said he was even chunnin level. and a genius

Shikamaru almost died and he was a GENIUS and planned MULTIPLE steps ahead.
Kiba.......He had no chance in hell as Kankoro had that

Kimmimaru Fought Naruto -9tail chakra mode, Lee.. 1gate and drunken fist. AND gaara....... Need i say. NONE OF THEM should be called genin as they was some op mtf genin and STILL the bone guy was about to win

It's particularly this post I wanted to post because of. ^^

And although I could single out quite a lot of things in the post to counter, it does make it seem like this is a "1 on 1" fight the way you worded it. It's not in fact 1 on 1 fight where every sound 5 member happens to fight the person they would beat(even though no sound 5 could beat any of the swordsmen no matter the comparison). To single out a few things, Kimimaro is heavily overrated and Naruto didn't bother on fighting him, he wanted oo get to Sasuke, & Lee and Gaara are also genin. Kimi will definitely be taken out whilst fighting completely blind against 7 masters of this fighting style at once, the asme goes for the other 4.

 

[Cerox0]

Right, they would be caught in the genjutsu and get out and because of the mist they would not be able to attack them.
Kiba was said to be the sharpest blade in existance so i believe it would be able to cut the spider webs.
I dont think the spiders could find them and even if they could, how would kido communicate them?

hmm i cant counter that one. Nice i cant think of what seven could do againat that. Still, if they absorb their chakra wouldnt they break out of genjutsu?

Remember in the latest manga when Kabuto used Kidomaru, look what Itachi said

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Also, remember how kidomaru was able to surround neji with his spiderling's string in order to keep his distance and know where Neji was? That's what I meant, 1 step on the string from any swordsman and kido could alert everyone where the ninjas are.

But they would deplete them of their chakra if fully attacked :X

 

[TheItachiUchiha]

Swordsman

 

[BusinessManTeno]

pshhh. Thanks for that pic wiith kabuto

 

[Joki]

pshhh. Thanks for that pic wiith kabuto

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