Hashirama's power being considered a myth doesn't mean anything.

[FizzyDrink]

I see what you are saying Mr. Tobispawn. You're saying that people who saw both primes still called Hiruzen the best.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HIRUZEN IS 100% CERTAINLY BETTER THAN THE FIRST.

Jeez. Basically, people calling someone else the best does not mean he is, even if they saw both. Let's look at golf, for an example. Millions of people I am sure would say that Tiger Woods is the best golfer ever. Good for them. Does that mean they are correct? Hell no. Sure he's good, but just because people say he is the best, doesn't mean he is. There are other golfers who can easily be argued the best, and are argued as the best. Just because many people say one thing doesn't mean they are right. Even if they saw both Hashirama and Hiruzen in their primes, and said that Hiruzen was stronger, doesn't mean they are right. Because obviously, not all of them did think that. Where did Kabuto come up with his comment about how no ninja could stand up to Hashirama? Or where did Dan come up with the idea that Hashirama was the only one who could defeat Madara? They didn't mention Hiruzen. So for the people saying that Hiruzen was the best, there were clearly people also hyping Hashirama as well. So the truth is...

NOBODY IS 100% CORRECT, AND EVERYONE, HIRUZEN AND HASHIRAMA FANBOYS ALIKE, ARE ENTITLED TO THEIR BELIEFS ON THE SUBJECT!!!

That is all.

 

[TobisPawn]

Seems like alot of idiots have gotten a hard on from Hashiramas wood. Hiruzen was stated the strongest hokage by the author


What is there to argue about?

Nice unintentional pun, LOL.

 

[Dantee]

Nice unintentional pun, LOL.

That's what I want them to think

 

[Dantee]

I see what you are saying Mr. Tobispawn. You're saying that people who saw both primes still called Hiruzen the best.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HIRUZEN IS 100% CERTAINLY BETTER THAN THE FIRST.

Jeez. Basically, people calling someone else the best does not mean he is, even if they saw both. Let's look at golf, for an example. Millions of people I am sure would say that Tiger Woods is the best golfer ever. Good for them. Does that mean they are correct? Hell no. Sure he's good, but just because people say he is the best, doesn't mean he is. There are other golfers who can easily be argued the best, and are argued as the best. Just because many people say one thing doesn't mean they are right. Even if they saw both Hashirama and Hiruzen in their primes, and said that Hiruzen was stronger, doesn't mean they are right. Because obviously, not all of them did think that. Where did Kabuto come up with his comment about how no ninja could stand up to Hashirama? Or where did Dan come up with the idea that Hashirama was the only one who could defeat Madara? They didn't mention Hiruzen. So for the people saying that Hiruzen was the best, there were clearly people also hyping Hashirama as well. So the truth is...

NOBODY IS 100% CORRECT, AND EVERYONE, HIRUZEN AND HASHIRAMA FANBOYS ALIKE, ARE ENTITLED TO THEIR BELIEFS ON THE SUBJECT!!!

That is all.

If I created a story and called such a so the most tallest person in the world.
WHO are YOU to TELL ME I'm WRONG in MY OWN STORY.

 

[TobisPawn]

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there is the page that backs up my entire argument and voids all of hiruzens hype. im still waiting for that manga page.

People considered his power a myth. I'll be like you: mind showing me the panels of those hypothetical people?

 

[arv993]

People considered his power a myth. I'll be like you: mind showing me the panels of those hypothetical people?

do u still not get his point. it sort of makes sense.

he is saying not many if anyone at all really believed hashirama's true strength because its so unbelievable they dismissed it. And not many people got to see him all out probably only madara got to see the full extents of his powers so these hypothetical people u speak of never got to see his true potential. similar to oonoki not seeing madara's legendary powers like perfect sussano. But its not the case with hiruzen as far as we kno so most people believed him to be the stongest hokage, i think its even mentioned that he was the strongest kage of his generation.

I want to see the next databook and if they still say hiruzen is better i will admit to it but hashi seems considerably more powerful and people hyped him like crazy and his powers seem worthy of it seen from madara. sometimes the databook is out of date one example is when it stated unless i am wrong it said oro is the one who invented the edo tensei.

 

[TobisPawn]

do u still not get his point. it sort of makes sense.

he is saying not many if anyone at all really believed hashirama's true strength because its so unbelievable they dismissed it. And not many people got to see him all out probably only madara got to see the full extents of his powers so these hypothetical people u speak of never got to see his true potential. similar to oonoki not seeing madara's legendary powers like perfect sussano. But its not the case with hiruzen as far as we kno so most people believed him to be the stongest hokage, i think its even mentioned that he was the strongest kage of his generation.

I want to see the next databook and if they still say hiruzen is better i will admit to it but hashi seems considerably more powerful and people hyped him like crazy and his powers seem worthy of it seen from madara. sometimes the databook is out of date one example is when it stated unless i am wrong it said oro is the one who invented the edo tensei.

If the Senju Clan was constantly warring, and many rogue clans were yet to join a village, I don't see why people wouldn't witness Hashirama go all out. :/ And people would have to have some knowledge on his power to elect him as the Hokage, and also the leader of the Senju.

 

[FizzyDrink]

If I created a story and called such a so the most tallest person in the world.
WHO are YOU to TELL ME I'm WRONG in MY OWN STORY.

Ummm...Kishi never DIRECTLY said that Hiruzen was the strongest. If he did, then this conversation would never be a thing. Instead, he stated that many a fictional character THOUGHT that Hiruzen was the strongest. I could write a story, and in it, a character could say that another character is the strongest character of the story. That doesn't mean he is, that just means that the first character thinks that.

 

[TobisPawn]

Ummm...Kishi never DIRECTLY said that Hiruzen was the strongest. If he did, then this conversation would never be a thing. Instead, he stated that many a fictional character THOUGHT that Hiruzen was the strongest. I could write a story, and in it, a character could say that another character is the strongest character of the story. That doesn't mean he is, that just means that the first character thinks that.

Well if most of Konoha called him the strongest, it was probably for a reason. :/

 

[lonewolf77766]

Ummm...Kishi never DIRECTLY said that Hiruzen was the strongest. If he did, then this conversation would never be a thing. Instead, he stated that many a fictional character THOUGHT that Hiruzen was the strongest. I could write a story, and in it, a character could say that another character is the strongest character of the story. That doesn't mean he is, that just means that the first character thinks that.

Kishi never DIRECTLY said that Hashirama was the strongest.

 

[TobisPawn]

Kishi never DIRECTLY said that Hashirama was the strongest.

And this too. It goes both ways.

 

[FizzyDrink]

Well if most of Konoha called him the strongest, it was probably for a reason. :/

Nothing ever said it was "most" of Konoha. It just stated that people did. And so what if it was most of Konoha? Most of Konoha from what time? The very young Konoha who only knew the third and hardly ever saw the first? Because after so many years of war, the majority of people would be young, and would have never had the opportunity to witness Hashirama's prime. That's hardly a fair demographic.

Kishi never DIRECTLY said that Hashirama was the strongest.

And I never said that he did. Read my post more carefully. I am just saying he never said that Hiruzen was. What you just said did nothing at all to take away from the fact that I am right.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

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[arv993]

If the Senju Clan was constantly warring, and many rogue clans were yet to join a village, I don't see why people wouldn't witness Hashirama go all out. :/ And people would have to have some knowledge on his power to elect him as the Hokage, and also the leader of the Senju.

Only against madara would that happen but against most other people or clans that would not be the case. I think only a select few people would have witnessed him go all out because as madara said when they changed the landscape a lot meaning people will be in danger when that happens. he still is powerful without a doubt but didnt always have to go all out.

Look at madara for example how many people knew about his perfect sussano and even tsunade was wondering how the hell did her grandpa beat that monster. even she didnt hear the true extent of his power. It makes sense only a select few were even able to witness his full strength and his power was casted as a myth because not many could even think it was possible. it makes sense that way and thus kishi used the word myth

 

[TobisPawn]

Only against madara would that happen but against most other people or clans that would not be the case. I think only a select few people would have witnessed him go all out because as madara said when they did it changed the landscape a lot meaning people will be in danger when that happens. he still is powerful without a doubt but didnt always have to go all out.

Look at madara for example how many people knew about his perfect sussano and even tsunade was wondering how the hell did her grandpa beat that monster. even she didnt hear the true extent of his power. It makes sense only a select few were even able to witness his full strength

Possibly. But its also possible that many rogue villages attacked Konoha, and Hashirama defended it. I don't see how a village would have a Kage without knowing the full extent of their power.

Nothing ever said it was "most" of Konoha. It just stated that people did. And so what if it was most of Konoha? Most of Konoha from what time? The very young Konoha who only knew the third and hardly ever saw the first? Because after so many years of war, the majority of people would be young, and would have never had the opportunity to witness Hashirama's prime. That's hardly a fair demographic.

There certainly had to be a good amount of 40-80 year olds from Hashirama's era that also witnessed Hiruzen's.


But for both of you guys, we'll never know if Kishi changed his mind till we see the new databooks, so this debate is a little pointless.

 

[FizzyDrink]

Possibly. But its also possible that many rogue villages attacked Konoha, and Hashirama defended it. I don't see how a village would have a Kage without knowing the full extent of their power.




There certainly had to be a good amount of 40-80 year olds from Hashirama's era that also witnessed Hiruzen's.


But for both of you guys, we'll never know if Kishi changed his mind till we see the new databooks, so this debate is a little pointless.

I am saying he never changed his mind on anything because he never stated directly that Hiruzen was the strongest to begin with! That's what I'm getting at. He didn't change his mind because there was nothing to change his mind from.

Also, yes, I'm sure that there were a good amount of older people, what I'm saying is that nonetheless, the majority is still younger people who haven't seen prime Hashirama, so saying "most" is unfair because "most" haven't seen Hashi anyways.

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

lol kishi writes the dialogue. So your basically saying hes wrong and your right. SMH

 

[lonewolf77766]

I am saying he never changed his mind on anything because he never stated directly that Hiruzen was the strongest to begin with! That's what I'm getting at. He didn't change his mind because there was nothing to change his mind from.

Also, yes, I'm sure that there were a good amount of older people, what I'm saying is that nonetheless, the majority is still younger people who haven't seen prime Hashirama, so saying "most" is unfair because "most" haven't seen Hashi anyways.

Kishi stated Hiruzen was the strongest because he wrote the Manga and Databooks.

 

[FizzyDrink]

lol kishi writes the dialogue. So your basically saying hes wrong and your right. SMH

You're kidding, right? I could write a story where a character believes one thing but it isn't true. Kishi wrote dialouge in part one where Ten Ten and Rock Lee claim that Neji is an unrivaled genious and none of the other genin would beat him. Was that the truth just because Kishi wrote that in the dialouge? You post has just been deemed invalid.

 

[lonewolf77766]

You're kidding, right? I could write a story where a character believes one thing but it isn't true. Kishi wrote dialouge in part one where Ten Ten and Rock Lee claim that Neji is an unrivaled genious and none of the other genin would beat him. Was that the truth just because Kishi wrote that in the dialouge? You post has just been deemed invalid.

The manga characters stated Hiruzen is the strongest, the databooks said the same. Who wrote the Databook? You?