Hashirama's power being considered a myth doesn't mean anything.

[Naruto N. Uzumaki]

Why are you fixated on this 'myth' and 'god' foolishness? Hiruzen was called the strongest hokage. You can't misinterpret that.

okay but strongest's hokage mean's > every leaf ninja

so 3rd hokage > bm naruto

 

[TheSages456]

Why are you fixated on this 'myth' and 'god' foolishness? Hiruzen was called the strongest hokage. You can't misinterpret that.

nobody believed in hashiramas strength. obviously if you dont believe one thing you are going to believe the next thing that seems more reasonable.

Hashirama had the ability to suppress Tailed Beasts, Hiruzen didn't. And that makes Hashirama > Hiruzen, how? Hiruzen isn't a jinchuuriki.




His strength could have been considered a myth because he lived so long ago, like SO6P. Your point? There were still many men who had to have witnessed both primes and still considered Hiruzen > Hashirama.




And he had white hair and like no chakra. Your point?




He can't suppress Bijuu chakra...that doesn't matter vs Hashirama.

the sage isnt a myth because he lived a long time ago. he is a myth because of his strength.

 

[Ryuu..]

okay but strongest's hokage mean's > every leaf ninja

so 3rd hokage > bm naruto

BM Naruto didn't exist when Hiruzen was called that though. Hashirama, Tobirama and Minato had all lived and died. So obviously that statement doesn't include all the people/abilities who came after that moment in time. But anyway, Naruto is stronger than all previous Hokage.

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

Hashirama had the ability to suppress Tailed Beasts, Hiruzen didn't. And that makes Hashirama > Hiruzen, how? Hiruzen isn't a jinchuuriki.




His strength could have been considered a myth because he lived so long ago, like SO6P. Your point? There were still many men who had to have witnessed both primes and still considered Hiruzen > Hashirama.




And he had white hair and like no chakra. Your point?




He can't suppress Bijuu chakra...that doesn't matter vs Hashirama.

Are you trying to say that hashirama is a jichuuriki??

 

[Super Kami Guru]

im sorry but if you dont think that raw power and technique wise 3rd was the best your wrong..... sure having every element is nice and we dont know how many the 1st had mastered, but the point is that 1st could heal with one hand seal. his physical strength is almost unmatched aka why people like tsunade had super strength. 1st could literally control all tailed beast.... 3rd couldnt even defend the village from the 9 tails.... 3rd was prob the "best" or "greatest" hokage but not strongest

 

[sharingan17]

Hashirama had the ability to suppress Tailed Beasts, Hiruzen didn't. And that makes Hashirama > Hiruzen, how? Hiruzen isn't a jinchuuriki.




His strength could have been considered a myth because he lived so long ago, like SO6P. Your point? There were still many men who had to have witnessed both primes and still considered Hiruzen > Hashirama.




And he had white hair and like no chakra. Your point?




He can't suppress Bijuu chakra...that doesn't matter vs Hashirama.

Didn't answer my question? Wat happen?

 

[20thraikage]

she was a small child when hiruzen was in his 20s...hashi was long dead

he wasnt prime hashirama as hes not the real hashirama, only a controlled pawn

and still is

no. he didnt. he said thats waht others say about him and asked hiruzen not to disappoint him. which hiruzen did.

then why did he have the hokages toy around if hiruzen was so incredibly good? if hes so incredible how come hes THAT weakened by old age when even onoki isnt?
yes it does. mokuton is one of the strongest bloodlines. thats why EVERYONE wants it

omg i was waiting for somebody to come in and explain that shit....why would u think the 3rd better than the 1st thats just bullshit

 

[-Vegeta-]

There's people who lived through both Hashirama AND Hiruzen's primes. Yet who was called the strongest Hokage, "The God of Shinobi," and "The Professor?" Those people wouldn't just go like "oh yeah what we saw of Hashirama wasn't real; it was just a myth!!! Hiruzen is our second choice then!!" The fact is, those people who witnessed both of their eras considered Hiruzen better.

1. Here's a copy paste from one of my other posts:
"And yes, people from Hashirama's prime witnessed Hiruzen's prime. Say there was a 20 year old guy living through Hashirama's prime. Hashirama died not too long after his fight with Madara (5 years at max), because Tobirama looked the exact same as Hokage. And Tobirama stayed the same looks-wise when Hiruzen became Hokage. I'll be generous and say there was a 15 year time gap in Hashirama's death (at a young age) and Hiruzen becoming Hokage. 10 years later, Hiruzen probably reached his prime. That'd make the 20 year olds from Hashirama's era around 45-50. So I see no reason for them to have witnessed Hiruzen's prime. Hell, add in another 10 years and they'd still be able to witness his prime. Forget it, add another 10 years on top of that and they'd still witness it. And who was called "The God of Shinobi" or "The Professor" by them?"

2. Possible explanation for Hashirama being considered a myth:
And did you guys ever consider that Hashirama's power was possibly called a myth because he was the only user of Mokuton? Or maybe myth meant that Hashirama's techs were on a much larger scale, size-wise. That doesn't mean anything in being the best Hokage. Being a myth doesn't automatically make you above everyone else.

3. And here's a little more proof, regarding Orochimaru and his Edos, for those yet-remaining skeptics:
Orochimaru PERFECTED Edo Tensei, meaning that he had prime Hashirama as one of his pawns. It just didn't seem like it because Part 2 power scaling > Part 1 power scaling (Tobirama's basic Suiton was considered Kage level). Anyways, Orochimaru still considered Hiruzen as the strongest Hokage, and "The God of Shinobi." Did you notice that he was only taunting Hiruzen's old age, not his actual ability compared to Hashirama and Tobirama? And note that Orochimaru despised Hiruzen, yet still complemented him as someone who used to be the strongest Hokage.


So in conclusion, people who saw both of their primes still considered Hiruzen the best Hokage. Case closed.

Can you name the names of said people? Orochimaru is the one who said he was the god of shinobi and he never lived throuh Hashirama's prime. Iruka never lived through Hashirama's prime either.

Dan lived through Hiruzen's prime, but still said only Hashirama could defeat Madara. Still this could only mean that Hashirama was simply the best matchup for Madara, but I still stand by my opinion in Hashirama>Hiruzen.

 

[TobisPawn]

Can you name the names of said people? Orochimaru is the one who said he was the god of shinobi and he never lived throuh Hashirama's prime. Iruka never lived through Hashirama's prime either.

Dan lived through Hiruzen's prime, but still said only Hashirama could defeat Madara. Still this could only mean that Hashirama was simply the best matchup for Madara, but I still stand by my opinion in Hashirama>Hiruzen.

You stated what I think for the Dan thing.

And I don't know certain names, but there obviously had to be many people who lived through both of their primes.

Didn't answer my question? Wat happen?

What was your question again?

 

[TheSages456]

my theory isnt that every single person didnt believe in hashiramas strength. just the majority. the people that didnt believe in his strength said that hiruzen was the strongest.

 

[TobisPawn]

my theory isnt that every single person didnt believe in hashiramas strength. just the majority. the people that didnt believe in his strength said that hiruzen was the strongest.

And you think their word was taken over the word of those who saw both of their primes?

 

[TheSages456]

And their word was taken over the word of those who saw both of their primes?

these hypothetical people that according to you supposedly saw both primes tried to tell people about hashiramas strength were dismissed because no thought that a shinobi could be so strong. the newer generation shinobis at that time were the ones who gave hiruzen his nickname.

 

[Kristjan]

What's sadder is that the majority of the base is actually in favor of Hashirama being the strongest Hokage.




Tell me more about how you have proof stating that everyone disregarded every single one of those old men and middle-aged adults. U_U And by the way, Tsunade saw Hashirama's prime too. I don't see her calling Hashirama the strongest Hokage.

Hiruzen received his nickname IN his prime, meaning those same people who saw Hashirama's prime, gave it to him.

Did you read my part about the myth explanation?

yeah he saw him in his prime but did she saw him go full out in battle and i dont think he would have gone full out on hiruzen

 

[TobisPawn]

these hypothetical people that according to you supposedly saw both primes tried to tell people about hashiramas strength were dismissed because no thought that a shinobi could be so strong. the newer generation shinobis at that time were the ones who gave hiruzen his nickname.

Hypothetical people? So now you're saying that no one in Konoha was alive during Hashirama's and Hiruzen's eras?

And you honestly think that people with a wider knowledge, and witnesses to both of their primes, would be dismissed like that? And you're also saying that the databooks are wrong?

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

okay but strongest's hokage mean's > every leaf ninja

so 3rd hokage > bm naruto

Yes obviously this is how it is so6p then hiruzen.

 

[TheSages456]

Hypothetical people? So now you're saying that no one in Konoha was alive during Hashirama's and Hiruzen's eras?

And you honestly think that people with a wider knowledge, and witnesses to both of their primes, would be dismissed like that? And you're also saying that the databooks are wrong?

yes the hypothetical people. can you name said people. also what part of hashiramas power was considered a myth do you not understand? that obviously means that the people that told stories of hashiramas strength were dismissed. the databooks are all outdated. i guess that tobi is really madara until the databook says he isnt. i guess orochimaru invented edo tensei not tobirama. i guess naruto and sakura are equals until the databook says otherwise.

 

[TobisPawn]

yes the hypothetical people. can you name said people. also what part of hashiramas power was considered a myth do you not understand? that obviously means that the people that told stories of hashiramas strength were dismissed. the databooks are all outdated. i guess that tobi is really madara until the databook says he isnt. i guess orochimaru invented edo tensei not tobirama. i guess naruto and sakura are equals until the databook says otherwise.

@databooks: LOL, Hiruzen and Hashirama are both dead. There's nothing they can do to improve, buddy.

@first part: No, I can't name the hypothetical people. But do you still believe that no one saw both of their primes? His power could have been considered a myth because he was able to grow wood, tame the bijuus, and use techs on such a large-scale, maybe? The fact is people saw both of their primes, and yet Hiruzen was given the nicknames and titles, not Hashirama.

 

[TheSages456]

@databooks: LOL, Hiruzen and Hashirama are both dead. There's nothing they can do to improve, buddy.

@first part: No, I can't name the hypothetical people. But do you still believe that no one saw both of their primes? His power could have been considered a myth because he was able to grow wood, tame the bijuus, and use techs on such a large-scale, maybe? The fact is people saw both of their primes, and yet Hiruzen was given the nicknames and titles, not Hashirama.

unless these people are onokis age then they have not witnessed both primes.

 

[TobisPawn]

unless these people are onokis age then they have not witnessed both primes.

Read my thread. No matter what, Hiruzen reached his prime only around 20-30 years after the photo with Team Tobirama. I guess some people age faster than others... :sy:

 

[TheSages456]

Read my thread. No matter what, Hiruzen reached his prime only around 20-30 years after the photo with Team Tobirama. I guess some people age faster than others... :sy:

do you know how old hashirama was when he died? im waiting for the manga scan.