kyoraku vs kenpachi

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Well that really depends on what it actually is. It's possible that it might not have helped in that situation. For example, Soi Fong's Bankai actually slows her down in battle so it's more of a nuisance than an advantage.

are you serious?? of course it makes him stronger so what your saying base ichigo=bankai ichigo, it has been stated many times before that bankai's increase a users power many times, soifons did help her it would have killed barrgan if it hadnt been for his time and decay manipulating abilities. if bankais and shikais didnt help why does every captain use them in their fights?

 

[NLee]

are you serious?? of course it makes him stronger so what your saying base ichigo=bankai ichigo, it has been stated many times before that bankai's increase a users power many times, soifons did help her it would have killed barrgan if it hadnt been for his time and decay manipulating abilities. if bankais and shikais didnt help why does every captain use them in their fights?

You misunderstand me. I didn't say it wouldn't make him stronger. In fact, what does "stronger" even mean? I said it might not have helped him in his situation depending on what it is. Soi Fong is a prime example. Her Bankai packs a big wallop, but it doesn't suit her fighting style - it doesn't help her. She even said herself that she absolutely hates her Bankai which is why she doesn't use it often. The only reason she was forced to use it was because she had no other choice which means she had nothing left to lose by using it. Soi Fong specializes in close quarters combat which means you need speed and agility. She can't fight with a 300 pound nuke attached to her...

So yes I'm serious. It depends what your Bankai is and what the battle scenario is. And why are you bringing Shikais into this? I never said anything about Urahara's Shikai.

 

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You misunderstand me. I didn't say it wouldn't make him stronger. In fact, what does "stronger" even mean? I said it might not have helped him in his situation depending on what it is. Soi Fong is a prime example. Her Bankai packs a big wallop, but it doesn't suit her fighting style - it doesn't help her. She even said herself that she absolutely hates her Bankai which is why she doesn't use it often. The only reason she was forced to use it was because she had no other choice which means she had nothing left to lose by using it. Soi Fong specializes in close quarters combat which means you need speed and agility. She can't fight with a 300 pound nuke attached to her...

So yes I'm serious. It depends what your Bankai is and what the battle scenario is. And why are you bringing Shikais into this? I never said anything about Urahara's Shikai.

soifon never said that, she said she didnt like it as the head of the 2nd division should not use such a large and flashy weapon not that it was impossible for her to use

Also read this: no matter what form (or size) a Zanpakutō takes, it is always virtually effortless for its owner to wield because it is a part of its owner's soul.

this is an extract from bleach wiki that has been stated many times in the manga, so yes in pretty much every battle urahara's bankai would make him many times( 5 to 10 it has been said in the manga although thats bull) stronger

 

[NLee]

soifon never said that, she said she didnt like it as the head of the 2nd division should not use such a large and flashy weapon not that it was impossible for her to use

Also read this: no matter what form (or size) a Zanpakutō takes, it is always virtually effortless for its owner to wield because it is a part of its owner's soul.

this is an extract from bleach wiki that has been stated many times in the manga, so yes in pretty much every battle urahara's bankai would make him many times( 5 to 10 it has been said in the manga although thats bull) stronger

That basically confirms what I just said about Soi Fong's example. Whether it goes against her pride or not, the point is it makes her prowess in speed, agility, and assassination techniques useless:

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Trading all your speed for a big wallop makes for a large and powerful move, but it doesn't make you stronger overall. It's a double-edged sword. In other words, it's an unreliable hindrance. Soi Fong admits herself that it makes her other attributes useless

You seem to think that it's only a matter of who's stronger, period. Battle outcomes are not that simple. It's not about who has the bigger bang. Bankai does not automatically grant the user a power advantage and tilt the fight in their favor. It's about match-ups and who has the advantage against who - the scenario. I can think of several examples off the top of my head that illustrate this.

• Byakuya's fighting style revolves around his speed, Kido, and overwhelming his opponents with his Bankai's billions of blades. That's why he was Zommari's worst possible opponent - his Amor was useless. Replace Byakuya with Kenpachi and the fight wouldn't have gone so easily for team Soul Society. He wouldn't be able to keep up with Zommari's speed or counter his Amor.
  
• Likewise, Kenpachi is a brute force fighter just like Nnoitra. But swap Kenpachi with Mayuri and, again, the match-up would have been skewed and be tilted in Nnoitra's favor. Why? Because Mayuri is no head-on type of fighter. Mayuri's Bankai would do little to nothing to Nnoitra except for his poison, which even then would end as a double KO at best.
  
• I guess these battles are a good example because again, swap Mayuri with Byakuya and even Byakuya would have had a hard time dealing with Szayel.

It's all about the layout of the fight and the scenario. We don't know what Urahara's Bankai is. When he was dealing with Aizen he was focusing on using Kido techniques to subdue him and, from what we've seen, his Benihime in Shikai has a multitude of Kido-type techniques. What if Urahara's Bankai sways away from this and he can't use them in Bankai? That's the point. A Shinigami's Shikai or Bankai are better suited for certain tasks. I only used Soi Fong because she's a prime example with a Shikai and Bankai that are as different as night and day. Without knowing what Urahara's Bankai is, it's fair game to assume he could be a similar case which may be why he didn't use it - because it wouldn't have helped him in the position he was in.

 

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That basically confirms what I just said about Soi Fong's example. Whether it goes against her pride or not, the point is it makes her prowess in speed, agility, and assassination techniques useless:

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Trading all your speed for a big wallop makes for a large and powerful move, but it doesn't make you stronger overall. It's a double-edged sword. In other words, it's an unreliable hindrance. Soi Fong admits herself that it makes her other attributes useless

You seem to think that it's only a matter of who's stronger, period. Battle outcomes are not that simple. It's not about who has the bigger bang. Bankai does not automatically grant the user a power advantage and tilt the fight in their favor. It's about match-ups and who has the advantage against who - the scenario. I can think of several examples off the top of my head that illustrate this.

• Byakuya's fighting style revolves around his speed, Kido, and overwhelming his opponents with his Bankai's billions of blades. That's why he was Zommari's worst possible opponent - his Amor was useless. Replace Byakuya with Kenpachi and the fight wouldn't have gone so easily for team Soul Society. He wouldn't be able to keep up with Zommari's speed or counter his Amor.
  
• Likewise, Kenpachi is a brute force fighter just like Nnoitra. But swap Kenpachi with Mayuri and, again, the match-up would have been skewed and be tilted in Nnoitra's favor. Why? Because Mayuri is no head-on type of fighter. Mayuri's Bankai would do little to nothing to Nnoitra except for his poison, which even then would end as a double KO at best.
  
• I guess these battles are a good example because again, swap Mayuri with Byakuya and even Byakuya would have had a hard time dealing with Szayel.

It's all about the layout of the fight and the scenario. We don't know what Urahara's Bankai is. When he was dealing with Aizen he was focusing on using Kido techniques to subdue him and, from what we've seen, his Benihime in Shikai has a multitude of Kido-type techniques. What if Urahara's Bankai sways away from this and he can't use them in Bankai? That's the point. A Shinigami's Shikai or Bankai are better suited for certain tasks. I only used Soi Fong because she's a prime example with a Shikai and Bankai that are as different as night and day. Without knowing what Urahara's Bankai is, it's fair game to assume he could be a similar case which may be why he didn't use it - because it wouldn't have helped him in the position he was in.

:sy: didnt you read it it will never make a shinigami weaker because of the fact that the shinigami can wield it effortlessly no matter what and it grants them extra powers 1 pro to no cons. and btw depending on what translation you read the bankai doesnt way her down it is the sash she wears with it so you could interpret it that she isnt disadvantaged by it. but anyway the point still stands that a bankai makes you stronger, against any opponent it will make you stronger, it doesnt mean you will be able to beat any opponent but it does make you stronger, that has been stated time and time again. soifons bankai did make her more powerful she was having no chance against barragan up until then and even if it didnt her bankai is a freak bankai the point still stands that for 99.99% of shinigami bankais increase their power exponentially other wise it would not be a condition to become a captain and people would not train for it for an excess of 10 years. Also you are merly focusing on soifons bankai because it is one of the only ones with a con. almost every other one has no cons, ichigos, byakuyas, toshiros, mayuris, shinji, tousen, gins, renji and ikkaku just to name a few, have you seen how many battles those things have turned around?

 

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:sy: didnt you read it it will never make a shinigami weaker because of the fact that the shinigami can wield it effortlessly no matter what and it grants them extra powers 1 pro to no cons. and btw depending on what translation you read the bankai doesnt way her down it is the sash she wears with it so you could interpret it that she isnt disadvantaged by it. but anyway the point still stands that a bankai makes you stronger, against any opponent it will make you stronger, it doesnt mean you will be able to beat any opponent but it does make you stronger, that has been stated time and time again. soifons bankai did make her more powerful she was having no chance against barragan up until then and even if it didnt her bankai is a freak bankai the point still stands that for 99.99% of shinigami bankais increase their power exponentially other wise it would not be a condition to become a captain and people would not train for it for an excess of 10 years. Also you are merly focusing on soifons bankai because it is one of the only ones with a con. almost every other one has no cons, ichigos, byakuyas, toshiros, mayuris, shinji, tousen, gins, renji and ikkaku just to name a few, have you seen how many battles those things have turned around?

Yes a shinigami can wield their own Zanpakuto with no problems but that's not the point here. Soifon is a master in the art of assassination. Even if her Zanpakuto can easily be used, does not mean it's big size is not a hindrance. Assassination's don't need some big tool to get in the way. They need something small and deadly, they need speed and fast reflexes to get in, get the job done and get out. You don't assassinate people with a nuke.

So, all Bankai's do somewhat give you more power, but some don't fit certain fighting styles or even certain situations.

Also, all Bankai's have cons. There's no such thing as perfection.
Ichigo's packs all his power into a smaller blade to allow for faster movement, but that disables the use of any huge flashy attack besides Getsuga Tensho which really isn't that big.

Byakuya's bankai has a weak point. If his opponent can get close enough then he's in trouble and there are a lot of people who are fast enough to get in range in SS.

Tousen's bankai can easily be countered by someone with battle experience.

 

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Yes a shinigami can wield their own Zanpakuto with no problems but that's not the point here. Soifon is a master in the art of assassination. Even if her Zanpakuto can easily be used, does not mean it's big size is not a hindrance. Assassination's don't need some big tool to get in the way. They need something small and deadly, they need speed and fast reflexes to get in, get the job done and get out. You don't assassinate people with a nuke.

So, all Bankai's do somewhat give you more power, but some don't fit certain fighting styles or even certain situations.

Also, all Bankai's have cons. There's no such thing as perfection.
Ichigo's packs all his power into a smaller blade to allow for faster movement, but that disables the use of any huge flashy attack besides Getsuga Tensho which really isn't that big.

Byakuya's bankai has a weak point. If his opponent can get close enough then he's in trouble and there are a lot of people who are fast enough to get in range in SS.

Tousen's bankai can easily be countered by someone with battle experience.

what techs can ichigo use with zangetsu that he can't with tensa? and yes tousen and byakuyas can be countered but they arent a hinderance, byakuya can stop SS at anytime and tousens bankai hinders him in no way what so ever

 

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what techs can ichigo use with zangetsu that he can't with tensa? and yes tousen and byakuyas can be countered but they arent a hinderance, byakuya can stop SS at anytime and tousens bankai hinders him in no way what so ever

Clearly you don't see the point here. If you don't understand after that big post then I'm not gonna try anymore

 

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what techs can ichigo use with zangetsu that he can't with tensa? and yes tousen and byakuyas can be countered but they arent a hinderance, byakuya can stop SS at anytime and tousens bankai hinders him in no way what so ever

Why don't you get it? A Shikai and a Bankai differs by a huge amount in abilities and power. Getsuga Tensho is pretty much firing Reiatsu off the top of a blade. Anyone can really do it. It's probably not even a tech restricted to just Zangetsu.

I never said a Bankai hindered them. I was just proving to you that every Bankai has it's cons and that's it.

 

[dbzfreak]

Kenpachi losing to Ichigo was nothing but plot build up. That should be obvious. By that logic you're saying Kenpachi is the same level as Renji... So stupid...



Anyways, Kyoraku wins with medium difficulty at best. Kyoraku is the strongest Captain below Yamamoto and Unohana. The outcome of this fight should be clear as day

Are you kidding me? Kyoraku is wayy stronger than Unohana...

 

[Rand al'Thor]

Are you kidding me? Kyoraku is wayy stronger than Unohana...

please read the manga before stating such things..Kyoraku is equal to unohana if not weaker...

 

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Clearly you don't see the point here. If you don't understand after that big post then I'm not gonna try anymore

no i do understand lubrication said that every bankai had its con and i am disagreeing, prove me wrong before saying that

 

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Why don't you get it? A Shikai and a Bankai differs by a huge amount in abilities and power. Getsuga Tensho is pretty much firing Reiatsu off the top of a blade. Anyone can really do it. It's probably not even a tech restricted to just Zangetsu.

I never said a Bankai hindered them. I was just proving to you that every Bankai has it's cons and that's it.

you did actually you said they all had cons, a con is a hinderance or a down side. and i do get it. the question at the beginning was wether uraharas bankai would have helped him against aizen and while we cant be completly sure that it would have, going off the fact that it was an open battle ground and there were no restrictions that would have stopped him using his bankai to its full potential and the fact that it has been stated many times that a bankai makes a user much much stronger (by stronger i mean that it generally helps there abilities like pretty much everyone except for, in some cases soifon) and that everyone can wield there bankai without a problem (this means that had kubo stuck with what he had said everyone would have gotten a massive power up with there bankais, instead of everyone minus soifon) urahara would have gotten a massive power boost against aizen i cant believe you guys are denying that.

any way theres no much point in arguing about it as i feel we will get to see wether his bankai would have helped or not pretty soon.

 

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you did actually you said they all had cons, a con is a hinderance or a down side. and i do get it. the question at the beginning was wether uraharas bankai would have helped him against aizen and while we cant be completly sure that it would have, going off the fact that it was an open battle ground and there were no restrictions that would have stopped him using his bankai to its full potential and the fact that it has been stated many times that a bankai makes a user much much stronger (by stronger i mean that it generally helps there abilities like pretty much everyone except for, in some cases soifon) and that everyone can wield there bankai without a problem (this means that had kubo stuck with what he had said everyone would have gotten a massive power up with there bankais, instead of everyone minus soifon) urahara would have gotten a massive power boost against aizen i cant believe you guys are denying that.

any way theres no much point in arguing about it as i feel we will get to see wether his bankai would have helped or not pretty soon.

Obviously a con can also mean hindrance. Some words have multiple definitions, and in this case hindrance doesn't apply to everything.

And I was never arguing against the Urahara vs Aizen thing, in fact I never even answered that lol. I only came in half way and said something about Bankai's, Soifon and captains.

 

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Obviously a con can also mean hindrance. Some words have multiple definitions, and in this case hindrance doesn't apply to everything.

And I was never arguing against the Urahara vs Aizen thing, in fact I never even answered that lol. I only came in half way and said something about Bankai's, Soifon and captains.

really? shit sorry

 

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no i do understand lubrication said that every bankai had its con and i am disagreeing, prove me wrong before saying that

There's nothing for me to prove. You keep saying things that I'm not even talking about and trying to argue something that has nothing to do with my point.





I guess I'll try this one last time...*sigh*

When Urahara was going at Aizen he was concentrating on Kido techniques. It doesn't matter if it was an open field or not.
-Did he go at him via sword fighting? No.
-Did he try going at him with hand-to-hand combat? No.
He was trying to subdue him with Kido techniques because that's what he excels in.

If Soi Fong is trying to take down an opponent with her assassination skills, i.e, speed, agility, and silent kill shots, then she isn't going to use her Bankai (her nuke missile) no matter how much stronger it makes her...

You don't know what Urahara's Bankai is. That's the entire point, yet, you're hellbent on completely ignoring the fact that it might not be a Kido emphasized Bankai - just like Soi Fong's Bankai isn't suited for her fighting style, Urahara's Bankai may not be suited for his Kido prowess.

For the last time, if Soi Fong is trying to assassinate her target she isn't going to bust out her nuke no matter how stronger it makes her. Likewise, if Urahara is trying to overcome his opponent with Kido techniques then there might be a reason as to why he didn't use his Bankai. What reason you ask? Because it may not be his best choice for using Kido. Kido requires concentration and a clear mind to focus and cite the incantations.

There could be several reasons why his Bankai would be a nuisance to using Kido. Maybe it's so strenuous that it takes a toll on him to use (mentally or physically), thus distracting his concentration to use Kido techniques in the first place. Or maybe it's some sort of kenjutsu enhancement which does absolutely nothing to upgrade his Kido specific abilities. Or maybe it's this, or maybe it's that.

None of us know what his Bankai is. That's the point I'm trying to make, and until he shows it it makes little sense to say that it would have helped him in that situation. It's called keeping an open mind and considering all possibilities.

This is Bleach, not something as boneheaded like DBZ. There are different areas of expertise such as strength, speed, defense, intelligence, Kido, etc. There isn't just one "power level" that defines all these. The whole purpose of the databook stats is to reflect each characters proficiency in these different areas. You don't just ignorantly say "Bankai = stronger". You considering the conditions and objectives of the specific battle and weigh the pros and cons of using your Bankai because it may or may not boost you in the area that you need.

 

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There's nothing for me to prove. You keep saying things that I'm not even talking about and trying to argue something that has nothing to do with my point.





I guess I'll try this one last time...*sigh*

When Urahara was going at Aizen he was concentrating on Kido techniques. It doesn't matter if it was an open field or not.
-Did he go at him via sword fighting? No.
-Did he try going at him with hand-to-hand combat? No.
He was trying to subdue him with Kido techniques because that's what he excels in.

If Soi Fong is trying to take down an opponent with her assassination skills, i.e, speed, agility, and silent kill shots, then she isn't going to use her Bankai (her nuke missile) no matter how much stronger it makes her...

You don't know what Urahara's Bankai is. That's the entire point, yet, you're hellbent on completely ignoring the fact that it might not be a Kido emphasized Bankai - just like Soi Fong's Bankai isn't suited for her fighting style, Urahara's Bankai may not be suited for his Kido prowess.

For the last time, if Soi Fong is trying to assassinate her target she isn't going to bust out her nuke no matter how stronger it makes her. Likewise, if Urahara is trying to overcome his opponent with Kido techniques then there might be a reason as to why he didn't use his Bankai. What reason you ask? Because it may not be his best choice for using Kido. Kido requires concentration and a clear mind to focus and cite the incantations.

There could be several reasons why his Bankai would be a nuisance to using Kido. Maybe it's so strenuous that it takes a toll on him to use (mentally or physically), thus distracting his concentration to use Kido techniques in the first place. Or maybe it's some sort of kenjutsu enhancement which does absolutely nothing to upgrade his Kido specific abilities. Or maybe it's this, or maybe it's that.

None of us know what his Bankai is. That's the point I'm trying to make, and until he shows it it makes little sense to say that it would have helped him in that situation. It's called keeping an open mind and considering all possibilities.

This is Bleach, not something as boneheaded like DBZ. There are different areas of expertise such as strength, speed, defense, intelligence, Kido, etc. There isn't just one "power level" that defines all these. The whole purpose of the databook stats is to reflect each characters proficiency in these different areas. You don't just ignorantly say "Bankai = stronger". You considering the conditions and objectives of the specific battle and weigh the pros and cons of using your Bankai because it may or may not boost you in the area that you need.

:| You wrote all that just to prove your point to some random person? I am starting to doubt that you have a life...

 

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There's nothing for me to prove. You keep saying things that I'm not even talking about and trying to argue something that has nothing to do with my point.





I guess I'll try this one last time...*sigh*

When Urahara was going at Aizen he was concentrating on Kido techniques. It doesn't matter if it was an open field or not.
-Did he go at him via sword fighting? No.
-Did he try going at him with hand-to-hand combat? No.
He was trying to subdue him with Kido techniques because that's what he excels in.

If Soi Fong is trying to take down an opponent with her assassination skills, i.e, speed, agility, and silent kill shots, then she isn't going to use her Bankai (her nuke missile) no matter how much stronger it makes her...

You don't know what Urahara's Bankai is. That's the entire point, yet, you're hellbent on completely ignoring the fact that it might not be a Kido emphasized Bankai - just like Soi Fong's Bankai isn't suited for her fighting style, Urahara's Bankai may not be suited for his Kido prowess.

For the last time, if Soi Fong is trying to assassinate her target she isn't going to bust out her nuke no matter how stronger it makes her. Likewise, if Urahara is trying to overcome his opponent with Kido techniques then there might be a reason as to why he didn't use his Bankai. What reason you ask? Because it may not be his best choice for using Kido. Kido requires concentration and a clear mind to focus and cite the incantations.

There could be several reasons why his Bankai would be a nuisance to using Kido. Maybe it's so strenuous that it takes a toll on him to use (mentally or physically), thus distracting his concentration to use Kido techniques in the first place. Or maybe it's some sort of kenjutsu enhancement which does absolutely nothing to upgrade his Kido specific abilities. Or maybe it's this, or maybe it's that.

None of us know what his Bankai is. That's the point I'm trying to make, and until he shows it it makes little sense to say that it would have helped him in that situation. It's called keeping an open mind and considering all possibilities.

This is Bleach, not something as boneheaded like DBZ. There are different areas of expertise such as strength, speed, defense, intelligence, Kido, etc. There isn't just one "power level" that defines all these. The whole purpose of the databook stats is to reflect each characters proficiency in these different areas. You don't just ignorantly say "Bankai = stronger". You considering the conditions and objectives of the specific battle and weigh the pros and cons of using your Bankai because it may or may not boost you in the area that you need.

to put this short he knew his physical wont work so he kenw his bankai would be useless sense that thing in aizen chest will just heal him he probly knew the hole time he could not beat aizen the moment he got there he came wit a plan an that was to get him weaker so his kido would work.

 

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There's nothing for me to prove. You keep saying things that I'm not even talking about and trying to argue something that has nothing to do with my point.





I guess I'll try this one last time...*sigh*

When Urahara was going at Aizen he was concentrating on Kido techniques. It doesn't matter if it was an open field or not.
-Did he go at him via sword fighting? No.
-Did he try going at him with hand-to-hand combat? No.
He was trying to subdue him with Kido techniques because that's what he excels in.

If Soi Fong is trying to take down an opponent with her assassination skills, i.e, speed, agility, and silent kill shots, then she isn't going to use her Bankai (her nuke missile) no matter how much stronger it makes her...

You don't know what Urahara's Bankai is. That's the entire point, yet, you're hellbent on completely ignoring the fact that it might not be a Kido emphasized Bankai - just like Soi Fong's Bankai isn't suited for her fighting style, Urahara's Bankai may not be suited for his Kido prowess.

For the last time, if Soi Fong is trying to assassinate her target she isn't going to bust out her nuke no matter how stronger it makes her. Likewise, if Urahara is trying to overcome his opponent with Kido techniques then there might be a reason as to why he didn't use his Bankai. What reason you ask? Because it may not be his best choice for using Kido. Kido requires concentration and a clear mind to focus and cite the incantations.

There could be several reasons why his Bankai would be a nuisance to using Kido. Maybe it's so strenuous that it takes a toll on him to use (mentally or physically), thus distracting his concentration to use Kido techniques in the first place. Or maybe it's some sort of kenjutsu enhancement which does absolutely nothing to upgrade his Kido specific abilities. Or maybe it's this, or maybe it's that.

None of us know what his Bankai is. That's the point I'm trying to make, and until he shows it it makes little sense to say that it would have helped him in that situation. It's called keeping an open mind and considering all possibilities.

This is Bleach, not something as boneheaded like DBZ. There are different areas of expertise such as strength, speed, defense, intelligence, Kido, etc. There isn't just one "power level" that defines all these. The whole purpose of the databook stats is to reflect each characters proficiency in these different areas. You don't just ignorantly say "Bankai = stronger". You considering the conditions and objectives of the specific battle and weigh the pros and cons of using your Bankai because it may or may not boost you in the area that you need.

of course the bankai would have helped him havent you noticed that bankai always help/ mirror their uses specialties? Ichigo is a sword and physical combat user his bankai gives him upgraded speed, an incredibly powerful/dense sword. Byakuya a speed and kido based person gets kido blades that are incredibly fast. Tousen a blind person gets a bankai that makes everyone else blind. Komamura a brute strength user gets a freaking giant to help him. Aizen a person who is a master of tricks and deception gets a zanpukto that makes illusions. Ikkaku an only sword user gets a super powerful sword as his. renji someone who is used to using whip swords gets a massive whip dragon thing. this is because a zanpukto mirrors the user so if uraharas main abilities are kido (i personally think hes an all rounder and he was only not going at aizen because considering that aizen uses illusions approaching him would obviously be a stupid thing to do) then of course they would help him the reason for this is that a zanpukto is like the person who wields it so in almost all cases its abitlies will be of the same category ( a kido user will get a kido) or it will amplify some part of what their main skill is.

i think soifon got such an uncharecteristic bankai because that is her actual personality she is hothead and explosive but is quite protentious and only pretends to be calm and cool when in actual fact she is quite hot headed and emotinal this has been seen many times breaking down when yourichi gave her that speech, being very quick to anger and attack people like her lieutenant and losing her cool completly when she was struck by barragans ageing ability are all examles of her losing her cool easily when the personality she maintains for the most part would have certainly not acted that way and would have been much more calm and cool headed than she was.

 

[dbzfreak]

please read the manga before stating such things..Kyoraku is equal to unohana if not weaker...

Sorry for not reading the manga