Kakuzu is on Itachi's level

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First genjutsu doesn't attack chakra networks. In genjutsu the user's chakra controls the target's chakra to attack the user's mind. So Itachi doesn't have to control all of Kakuzu's hearts to use a genjutsu, Itachi just needs to control enough of Kakuzu's chakra to attack Kakuzu's mind.

That's a moot point anyway because Tsukuyomi is instant and unstoppable.
Granny says that you can have a partner snap you out of a genjutsu.
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Then on the very next page Kakashi says "Well, that's alright for a normal genjutsu but... he uses and eyejutsu that surpasses the original Sharingan, the Mangekyou Sharingan. If you are struck by that eye jutsu, his genjutsu can effect you in an instant. There is no cancelling the effects of it.
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So in the fight Sasuke uses a genjutsu on Bee.The genjutsu isn't Tsukuyomi.
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Sasuke's genjutsu has an effect on Bee at first but then.
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Bee level's Sasuke and says genjutsu won't work on him because his partner will snap him out of it. That's nice Bee, but according to Kakashi the effects of Tsukuyomi cannot be canceled by a partner. If it hits you, you're done.

In the context of the Manga once a person is struck by Tsukuyomi there is no canceling the effects of it, even by a partner. This means Tsukuyomi can't be stopped by jinchuurkik either.

Tsukuyomi > Kakuzu, Naruto, Bee, A, Kakashi, Gaara, ...everyone but Sasuke, Tobi, Madara, and Izuna.

Do you know whats so funny about that?

1. Kakshi said this in like Chapter 256 or something like that that with B happened in like chater 410 thats so much story between them you can't say that statements which were made almost 200 chapters before something happened are still accurate

2. Sasuke is holding his right eye because after using the genjutsu his eye started to hurt. the ms techniques hurt the user not the common sharingan genjutsus.
 

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good thread but you were done since you said itachi and compare kakuzu to him you should have known people will burn you buddy xd
I know but i don't care of the opinions of other fanboys. I only say what i thinkU_U
 

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I agree he fought hashirama and lived to tell the story i think its possible to say that itachi and kakuzu are on the same level match up wise.

I think the main reason kakuzu has a chance is cause itachi never opens up a match with susanoo and amaterasu

He tends to try and finish it with genjutsu and kakuzu will catch him off guard when he finds out genjustsu is useless against him unless he opens up with tsukuyomi its over but itachi isnt one to just go out and use ms sharingan techs since he knows it slowly kills him.
 
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The one who fought and survived the first hokage needs atleast to be acknowledged as an elite ninja. I can't see the reason why he is not on Itachi's level.
 

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I think you took it a too far, you should have said that he was on Kisame's level. Itachi is just too much for him
 

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you fail so much.....

1.) kakuzu is itachis equal in taijutsu , if you DONT COUNT his 4 other hearts...

kakuzu has his own defence , which is highly advanced, it is a earth style jutsu which makes the body harder than steele

now to explain your floors in your arguements
combating genjutsu:
-2.) The ninja needs to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra , i think kakuzu would know this with his 90 odd years of experience.

-kakuzu can also use decoy techniques such as his fire style technique...

- 3.) and finally with allies , you can stop a genjutsu by forcing your own chakra into your affected ally ,since kakuzu has 5 hearts , he has 5 chakra networks( naruto logic ), and has 4 built in allies who can act independantly OR to kakuzus will... he has all 5 chakra natures because of these hearts

thats tsukoyomi out of the way...

what next? amaterasu...

4.) kakuzu can detatch body parts from himself ,itachi will extinguish the flames on the released body part because there will be no point in burining it, his wind mask may be capable of blowing the amaterasu away from him and backfire the attack on itachi , kakuzu has knowledge of itachis sharingan after working in the same organistaion for 10 years or so...

and finally susanoo...
lets see... how can i explain it to an idiot like you?
this amv should cover the whole lot + susanoo:

susanoo can obviously survive being burnt or melted by this:
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5.) susanoo does melt:
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im sure susanoo would be gone after this
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and finally , kakuzus defence against itachis mastered fire style
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1.) the amount of hearts you have do not make you a master in taijutsu.

2.) "instead of attacking the victim's body, like taijutsu or ninjutsu, genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses." genjutsu can work on kakuzu seeing as he still has a brain.

3.) "Itachi stated that Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a Sharingan user that shares the same blood as him;" self explanatory.

4.) Amaterasu burns for 7 days and 7 nights doesn't it? So getting rid of the body part wont stop the fire and using wind on a fire technique? Wind makes fire burn stronger doesn't it? Why do you think madara carries a war fan?

5.) sasukes susanoo melted doesn't mean itachis will. Itachis susanoo has far better defense than sasukes does.

The scans you used are completely irrelevant. Kakuzu is not on itachis level.
 

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What will Kakuzu do against Itachi's almost unbeatable Susano'o?
 

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Kakuzu would get owned
 

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Smh
Sorry.... but NO

Kakuza is a long range fighter
but Sasunoo >Kakuza five hearts

2nd. His hearts cant get him out of genjutsus... Their HEARTS!. Unless he release them and have them attack him then sure. other then that he cant..

He CANT get rid of amasteratsu. it takes 3days to burn off.. by the 1st day. all his hearts would be dead...

I will give it to him. Itachi is one of the smartest. Do you honestly think Kakuza can even TOUcH HIM.? Truthfully man? Izanami could stop kakuza right there. and he wouldnt even know he was in a genjutsu.. smh. BRO!..

Hidan>Kakuza to me.. in all honesty. Kakuza is one of the weakest people...
 

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Itachi MS ability would beat Kakuzu easily even he had five life. I know Kakuzu is strong,but you can't compare him with Itachi.
 

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just bcz kakuzu may be understimated does not mean that he has to be overestimated

U_U
 

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Itachi got Amaterasu, Susano ( + Yata miror and Totsuka swoard ). Why dont you specify how Kakuzu will counter it ??
 

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Itachi got Amaterasu, Susano ( + Yata miror and Totsuka swoard ). Why dont you specify how Kakuzu will counter it ??
Yata mirror won't protect him from every angles and Kakuzu can actually attack him from every angles. Totsuka sword is avoidable and even then, it's not even sure to hurt Kakuzu with his doton defense
 

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Yata mirror won't protect him from every angles and Kakuzu can actually attack him from every angles. Totsuka sword is avoidable and even then, it's not even sure to hurt Kakuzu with his doton defense

and while kakuzu takes his hearts out and deploys them around susano, itachi reads a newspaper?
 

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Yata mirror won't protect him from every angles and Kakuzu can actually attack him from every angles. Totsuka sword is avoidable and even then, it's not even sure to hurt Kakuzu with his doton defense

When the totsuka sword pierces, it seals the individual it pierces so tell me how he's going to counter that? :sy:
 

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Idk but Kakuzu is pretty powerful
 
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