Kakuzu is on Itachi's level

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I don't like A > B > C logic.

Living Itachi (when he was sick) would get pawned by Kakuzu. He doesn't have enough stamina to kill Kakuzu 5 times. Don't underestimate Kakuzu.

Itachi could beat Naruto because genjutsu is powerful against some people.
 

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I don't like A > B > C logic.

Living Itachi (when he was sick) would get pawned by Kakuzu. He doesn't have enough stamina to kill Kakuzu 5 times. Don't underestimate Kakuzu.

Itachi could beat Naruto because genjutsu is powerful against some people.

Genjutsu would work against Kakuzu as well.
No A>b>c logic here, just Itachi >Kakuzu. He has no defense against any MS ability or even regular genjutsu.
 

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Genjutsu would work against Kakuzu as well.
No A>b>c logic here, just Itachi >Kakuzu. He has no defense against any MS ability or even regular genjutsu.

Then? Itachi would need to kill him 4 times more.
 

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Genjutsu would work against Kakuzu as well.
No A>b>c logic here, just Itachi >Kakuzu. He has no defense against any MS ability or even regular genjutsu.

you fail so much.....

kakuzu is itachis equal in taijutsu , if you DONT COUNT his 4 other hearts...

kakuzu has his own defence , which is highly advanced, it is a earth style jutsu which makes the body harder than steele

now to explain your floors in your arguements
combating genjutsu:
-The ninja needs to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra , i think kakuzu would know this with his 90 odd years of experience.

-kakuzu can also use decoy techniques such as his fire style technique...

- and finally with allies , you can stop a genjutsu by forcing your own chakra into your affected ally ,since kakuzu has 5 hearts , he has 5 chakra networks( naruto logic ), and has 4 built in allies who can act independantly OR to kakuzus will... he has all 5 chakra natures because of these hearts

thats tsukoyomi out of the way...

what next? amaterasu...

kakuzu can detatch body parts from himself ,itachi will extinguish the flames on the released body part because there will be no point in burining it, his wind mask may be capable of blowing the amaterasu away from him and backfire the attack on itachi , kakuzu has knowledge of itachis sharingan after working in the same organistaion for 10 years or so...

and finally susanoo...
lets see... how can i explain it to an idiot like you?
this amv should cover the whole lot + susanoo:

susanoo can obviously survive being burnt or melted by this:
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susanoo does melt:
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im sure susanoo would be gone after this
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and finally , kakuzus defence against itachis mastered fire style
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Yes i believe Kakuzu is on Itachis level because:

- He has 5hearts and 5chakra system, so genjutsu may be useless since even if one chakra system fall under Itachis control, the other could wake him up.

- He has his doton defense that could make him almost untouchable in close combat. Only raiton is his weakness

- He has great long range attack and has a great experience in battle and i suppose he has great knowledge about sharingan since he fought all this time

- With all his jutsus he can overwhelm Itachi and he has much more chakra than him, so Itachi could not keep up if the fight last too long

By hype, he fought Hashirama when at that time he was young, with only one heart and one affinity, without the experience he achieved during his life and managed to survive. Now he is even much more powerful than back then. He was even the strongest in his village, and if authorities wanted him to assassinate Shodai(suppose to be the strongest in ninja world), that means Kakuzu must have been one of the strongest at that time. So begin to imagine right now, when he is even stronger than at that time...

i truly agree dude
 

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it's seems it's any argment no matter how bad.

haters will jump on it.
the majority of idiots, bogard rinnemaki don't even understand how genjutsu works.
 

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No, just no.
 

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Yes i believe Kakuzu is on Itachis level because:

- He has 5hearts and 5chakra system, so genjutsu may be useless since even if one chakra system fall under Itachis control, the other could wake him up.

- He has his doton defense that could make him almost untouchable in close combat. Only raiton is his weakness

- He has great long range attack and has a great experience in battle and i suppose he has great knowledge about sharingan since he fought all this time

- With all his jutsus he can overwhelm Itachi and he has much more chakra than him, so Itachi could not keep up if the fight last too long

By hype, he fought Hashirama when at that time he was young, with only one heart and one affinity, without the experience he achieved during his life and managed to survive. Now he is even much more powerful than back then. He was even the strongest in his village, and if authorities wanted him to assassinate Shodai(suppose to be the strongest in ninja world), that means Kakuzu must have been one of the strongest at that time. So begin to imagine right now, when he is even stronger than at that time...

man,seriously???:confused:

this thread is full of shit.......get real.......:flaw:

kakuzu is indeed strong,but do not think for one moment he can come close to beating itachi.

first of all,kakuzu won't be able to read itachi's moves.:shrug:

the reason is pretty simple.naruto got him with just a first level diversion.
this shows you kakuzu isn't a smart as he looks.xd

and for a genius like itachi who can cook up plans in an instant,and someone who's way smarter than naruto can nail him in an instant.

hell,he doesn't need to cook up any plans.with all the ms techniques he's got,he won't have any problem defeating him.

and please stop the 5 hearts bs.
some people are talking as if nothing compares to the the 5 hearts of kakuzu.the 5 hearts of kakuzu can be destroyed easily if u have a smart brain and some op ninjutsus.:shrug:

sure,itachi doesn't have many ninjutus to count for,but his ms techniques are more than enough.
 
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- look at him Cleanly negating an ambush (that got )

for me it couldn't be more obious that kakazu is not on his level. but for some reason it's alway minato fans who try and disrespect probably because they still can't come up with a good enough argument for itachis genjutsu. and they can't accept hes on his level
 

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combating genjutsu:
-The ninja needs to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra , i think kakuzu would know this with his 90 odd years of experience.

-kakuzu can also use decoy techniques such as his fire style technique...

- and finally with allies , you can stop a genjutsu by forcing your own chakra into your affected ally ,since kakuzu has 5 hearts , he has 5 chakra networks( naruto logic ), and has 4 built in allies who can act independantly OR to kakuzus will... he has all 5 chakra natures because of these hearts

thats tsukoyomi out of the way...
First genjutsu doesn't attack chakra networks. In genjutsu the user's chakra controls the target's chakra to attack the user's mind. So Itachi doesn't have to control all of Kakuzu's hearts to use a genjutsu, Itachi just needs to control enough of Kakuzu's chakra to attack Kakuzu's mind.

That's a moot point anyway because Tsukuyomi is instant and unstoppable.
Granny says that you can have a partner snap you out of a genjutsu.
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Then on the very next page Kakashi says "Well, that's alright for a normal genjutsu but... he uses and eyejutsu that surpasses the original Sharingan, the Mangekyou Sharingan. If you are struck by that eye jutsu, his genjutsu can effect you in an instant. There is no cancelling the effects of it.
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So in the fight Sasuke uses a genjutsu on Bee.The genjutsu isn't Tsukuyomi.
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Sasuke's genjutsu has an effect on Bee at first but then.
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Bee level's Sasuke and says genjutsu won't work on him because his partner will snap him out of it. That's nice Bee, but according to Kakashi the effects of Tsukuyomi cannot be canceled by a partner. If it hits you, you're done.

In the context of the Manga once a person is struck by Tsukuyomi there is no canceling the effects of it, even by a partner. This means Tsukuyomi can't be stopped by jinchuurkik either.

Tsukuyomi > Kakuzu, Naruto, Bee, A, Kakashi, Gaara, ...everyone but Sasuke, Tobi, Madara, and Izuna.
 

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there was no point in trying to counter rinnemaki argument ,
he's not the debating type and even a child could spot the bias.
 

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- look at him Cleanly negating an ambush (that got )

for me it couldn't be more obious that kakazu is not on his level. but for some reason it's alway minato fans who try and disrespect probably because they still can't come up with a good enough argument for itachis genjutsu. and they can't accept hes on his level

You just took the words right outta my mouth +rep for u
 

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you fail so much.....

kakuzu is itachis equal in taijutsu , if you DONT COUNT his 4 other hearts...

kakuzu has his own defence , which is highly advanced, it is a earth style jutsu which makes the body harder than steele

now to explain your floors in your arguements
combating genjutsu:
-The ninja needs to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra , i think kakuzu would know this with his 90 odd years of experience.

-kakuzu can also use decoy techniques such as his fire style technique...

- and finally with allies , you can stop a genjutsu by forcing your own chakra into your affected ally ,since kakuzu has 5 hearts , he has 5 chakra networks( naruto logic ), and has 4 built in allies who can act independantly OR to kakuzus will... he has all 5 chakra natures because of these hearts

thats tsukoyomi out of the way...

what next? amaterasu...

kakuzu can detatch body parts from himself ,itachi will extinguish the flames on the released body part because there will be no point in burining it, his wind mask may be capable of blowing the amaterasu away from him and backfire the attack on itachi , kakuzu has knowledge of itachis sharingan after working in the same organistaion for 10 years or so...

and finally susanoo...
lets see... how can i explain it to an idiot like you?
this amv should cover the whole lot + susanoo:

susanoo can obviously survive being burnt or melted by this:
You must be registered for see images

susanoo does melt:
You must be registered for see images

im sure susanoo would be gone after this
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and finally , kakuzus defence against itachis mastered fire style
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Ur post is full is speculations yet u call others idiots. First of all since when can kakuzu break tsukyomi last time I checked it can't be broken even if u get help from outside forces. Next it is naive of u to think an attack of that level would destroy susano, even an Odama rasengan can't destroy full susano yet alone even scratch yata mirror. Plz think before posting. Genjutsu is still valid in this fight and itachi has weapons in his susano .....
 

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good thread but you were done since you said itachi and compare kakuzu to him you should have known people will burn you buddy xd
 
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