[Theory] Truth about Hashirama's Death,Tobi & Zetsu Origins

[Scytho]

Hmm...I like the theory. Nice job

 

[NARUTO TRUE SAGE MODE]

Bro, Hashirama died as a middle-age man -note his appearance as a reanimated edo.

Edo brings back a person in their prime, most died in their prime. Hashirama and his wife were both elderly when kushina became the new host for kurama

 

[NARUTO TRUE SAGE MODE]

Madara never had rinnigan he received it as an edo just like the jinchurriki have shiringans llike tobi, or danzo with an arm of eyes.

 

[Killer Vision]

Madara never had rinnigan he received it as an edo just like the jinchurriki have shiringans llike tobi, or danzo with an arm of eyes.

u do not know this

 

[Killer Vision]

Edo brings back a person in their prime, most died in their prime. Hashirama and his wife were both elderly when kushina became the new host for kurama

care to explian chiyo's case?

 

[NARUTO TRUE SAGE MODE]

care to explian chiyo's case?

Yeah easy! She used her most powerful jutsu in her prime. Which happen to be old like jman

 

[Killer Vision]

Edo brings back a person in their prime, most died in their prime. Hashirama and his wife were both elderly when kushina became the new host for kurama

Mito, hashirama's wife had an usually long life because she was an uzumaki this would explain why she lived long enough to pass kurama to kushina.

here's a quote from the data book of "Narutopedia"
Hashirama gained control of several tailed beasts. He spread these beasts to other, newly-formed villages in an attempt to maintain peace and equalise the powers between the nations, but it did not stop the outbreak of the First Shinobi World War. Thinking about the future of Konoha, he and his younger brother, Tobirama Senju, trained the young Hiruzen Sarutobi. Hashirama died shortly after the founding of Konoha in one of the many wars that were raging during this revolutionary era, but not before passing on the title of Hokage to Tobirama.

 

[Killer Vision]

Madara never had rinnigan he received it as an edo just like the jinchurriki have shiringans llike tobi, or danzo with an arm of eyes.

data book "Narutopedia"

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Madara stated that he awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death and possesses the ability to switch between both it, and his Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan at will

 

[Killer Vision]

Yeah easy! She used her most powerful jutsu in her prime. Which happen to be old like jman

Chiyo most powerful technique is the White Secret Technique: The Chikamatsu Collection of Ten Puppets. Sasori stated that years ago she was able to used this to take down an entire castle using only this technique. this would help conclude that she was past her prime before her heroic death.
the other clue was when she jump off the ceiling off a sand village building to join team 7 in retrieving gaara. she stated the her back hurt after the jump and that she was not the same shinobi she used to be.

 

[boshans]

It's ok... But black zestu they say was before white zestu and zestu couldn't use wood style till kabuto gave it to them it also wouldn't make sense tht Tobi has no hashirama abilities and couldn't b madara cuz madara has EMS/rinnegan we haven't even seen Tobi MS (at least I haven't) (thought he just had the three black things) and tbh madara never wanted to learn anything and it didn't say on his bio he has tht creation jutsu he doesn't seem OD smart/nerdy or trying to find secrets of the world type like oro and kabuto he seems like an arrogant jerk (sasuke) to me and not tht smart battle smart yes but not all brainy smart no..

Where does it say that Black Zetsu was alive before White Zetsu? I don't remember that at all, and I personally think you are pulling that out of your ass. Also where does it say that Zetsu didn't have Mokuton until Kabuto used Yamato to power them up? The only thing Kabuto did was make them stronger, he didn't GIVE them Mokuton, they already were made of Mokuton. That's why Kabuto was able to make them stronger with Yamato, because they ALREADY HAD Mokuton.

Only thing I kind of agree on is that Madara probably didn't have Creation of All Things. Just because he had the Rinnegan doesn't mean that he could use Creation of All Things, I think only the Sage of the Six Paths could use that Jutsu.

Madara never had rinnigan he received it as an edo just like the jinchurriki have shiringans llike tobi, or danzo with an arm of eyes.

Edo brings back a person in their prime, most died in their prime. Hashirama and his wife were both elderly when kushina became the new host for kurama

Madara himself stated that he awoke the Rinnegan shortly before his death. So I don't know where you are getting that he didn't have Rinnegan until he was an Edo. He had it when he was alive, and gave it to Nagato shortly before his death. How else would Madara give Nagato the Rinnegan if he didn't have it until recently? Plus how the **** would Kabuto be able to give Edo Madara the Rinnegan? Like Kabuto just has Rinnegan's lying around.

And who said Hashi was elderly when Kushina became the host? The only person we see if Mito when Kushina was a kid becoming the host, and yes Mito was elderly. It does NOT anywhere show Hashirama during that time period. Most likely because he is not alive, since that was to recent.

 

[Pube]

Well, In back flashes, when Kushina told Naruto her story and the story about Mito, Hashirama was seen as an old man. So I doubt that part of your theory.

I think, Tobi is just a clone of Madara. I doubt that Tobi has Hashiramas DNA.
In Kushinas story about Kurama, Kurama seemed to recognize Tobi. He said something like "It's you..."
By obtaining Hashiramas cells, Tobi then cloned all those Zetsus.

But the "HOW" in cloning could very likely be as you mentioned in your theory.

Where does it show Hashirama as an old man? I don't remember that.

 

[NARUTO TRUE SAGE MODE]

HEY BOSHAN u wrote
"Madara himself stated that he awoke the Rinnegan shortly before his death. So I don't know where you are getting that he didn't have Rinnegan until he was an Edo. He had it when he was alive, and gave it to Nagato shortly before his death. How else would Madara give Nagato the Rinnegan if he didn't have it until recently? Plus how the **** would Kabuto be able to give Edo Madara the Rinnegan? Like Kabuto just has Rinnegan's lying around."

Firstly turn ur flame down. i thought that was mistranslated as him saying that. as mangas sometime translate wrong. kabuto just needs dna to recreate rinnigan as he did with pain/nagato edo. oh if he had rinningan he didnt have much use with it as he died shortly after getting it.

then u said
"And who said Hashi was elderly when Kushina became the host? The only person we see if Mito when Kushina was a kid becoming the host, and yes Mito was elderly. It does NOT anywhere show Hashirama during that time period. Most likely because he is not alive, since that was to recent." [/QUOTE]

i did re read that chapter and ur right it was the 3rd that arranged it. I had the image of tsunade playing on hashirama lap and him giving her the 9 tails charm necklace. not kushina . either way he was old then as a grandfather.
Take it easy dude you are not kishi nor his employee so take it easy :sy:

 

[NARUTO TRUE SAGE MODE]

Chiyo most powerful technique is the White Secret Technique: The Chikamatsu Collection of Ten Puppets. Sasori stated that years ago she was able to used this to take down an entire castle using only this technique. this would help conclude that she was past her prime before her heroic death.
the other clue was when she jump off the ceiling off a sand village building to join team 7 in retrieving gaara. she stated the her back hurt after the jump and that she was not the same shinobi she used to be.

ok u got me but her most powerful tech was the ruzzurection of garra. so kabuto used that version to fight, as many didnt know her in her youth minus tsunade.

 

[Killer Vision]

ok u got me but her most powerful tech was the ruzzurection of garra. so kabuto used that version to fight, as many didnt know her in her youth minus tsunade.

You mean the One's Own Life transfer reincarnation tech? what good is that when the user in already Edo and technically speaking "dead"?

 

[DarkerThenBlack]

HEY BOSHAN u wrote
"Madara himself stated that he awoke the Rinnegan shortly before his death. So I don't know where you are getting that he didn't have Rinnegan until he was an Edo. He had it when he was alive, and gave it to Nagato shortly before his death. How else would Madara give Nagato the Rinnegan if he didn't have it until recently? Plus how the **** would Kabuto be able to give Edo Madara the Rinnegan? Like Kabuto just has Rinnegan's lying around."

Firstly turn ur flame down. i thought that was mistranslated as him saying that. as mangas sometime translate wrong. kabuto just needs dna to recreate rinnigan as he did with pain/nagato edo. oh if he had rinningan he didnt have much use with it as he died shortly after getting it.

then u said
"And who said Hashi was elderly when Kushina became the host? The only person we see if Mito when Kushina was a kid becoming the host, and yes Mito was elderly. It does NOT anywhere show Hashirama during that time period. Most likely because he is not alive, since that was to recent."

i did re read that chapter and ur right it was the 3rd that arranged it. I had the image of tsunade playing on hashirama lap and him giving her the 9 tails charm necklace. not kushina . either way he was old then as a grandfather.
Take it easy dude you are not kishi nor his employee so take it easy :sy:[/QUOTE]

btw i didn't say this stuff above here^

"kabuto just needs dna to recreate rinnigan as he did with pain/nagato edo."
LOL^^^ do you even read the manga?

 

[UzumakiXNaruto]

WOW!! nice thread...make more threads!!! lol

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

It's not a theory, it's a baseless fan fiction.

 

[Killer Vision]

It's not a theory, it's a baseless fan fiction.

sigh...