Who can actually counter this?

[TobisPawn]

This obviously doesn't include Minato, seeing that he's already done it once with FTG (though it can be questionable on whether he was able to FTG in time because Tobi waited a little).

So yeah. Who can counter this, without Tobi stopping to say a few words?

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"Next time I'll warp you the moment I lay my hands on you." Tobi being overconfident, or is it true that Minato only escaped because Tobi waited a little before beginning to warp him?

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No one noticed him warp, and no one was fast enough to react or even stop him from warping Torune.

I'm posting this thread because I want to see your opinions on whether Tobi warping someone (without that person being aware of him till he lays his hands on them) can be avoided by anyone without an S/T tech like FTG. Too many people in versus threads think people can easily avoid being warped (i.e. Madara), though Minato only managed it with FTG after Tobi waited a little while and said a few words.

By the way, I'm talking one on one, though Fu and Torune are great examples of Tobi being practically impossible to recognize before the person's already warped.
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tl;dr: If someone doesn't even notice Tobi warp over and begin warping someone (Fu and Torune), and if Tobi doesn't stop and chat (Minato), AND if it can only be barely avoided through an S/T tech, AFTER Tobi says a few words (Minato), who can avoid being warped by Tobi?

NOTE: Through reflex, it'd be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to dodge without an S/T tech and possibly a Shinra Tensei with knowledge on Tobi warping. But through instinct, it can for sure possibly be stopped; but instinct doesn't work everytime.

 

[james the fourth]

no one can. tobi is easily the strongest character in naruto series excluding so6p and his sons.

if theirs no plot no jutsu tobi could of easily ended this war, only using his s/t

 

[Kettei]

Naruto and maybe 4th Raikage.

 

[Naruto N. Uzumaki]

Naruto that's who

 

[TobisPawn]

Naruto that's who

Naruto and maybe 4th Raikage.

If their speed is enough to break Tobi's grasp, and if they actually notice him warp, which doesn't seem too likely, seeing Tobi's physical strength and the fact that Fu and Torune didn't notice him. And Naruto would have to already be in BM. And A would already have to be in his V1 or V2 armor.

 

[Kakashi Uchiha Hatake]

prob only minato and naruto (if he sees it coming)

 

[TobisPawn]

prob only minato and naruto (if he sees it coming)

I don't think Naruto would see it coming, if Fu and Torune (two elite root shinobi, and Danzo's bodyguards) didn't, until Torune was already practically gone.

 

[Deadai]

Kabuto Yakushi may be able to avoid that jutsu of Tobi's by shedding his skin he seems to be able to do that at a rather quick speed.

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[Nidaime Pupil]

Madara and Nagato - Shinra Tensei.

/thread.

 

[TobisPawn]

Madara and Nagato - Shinra Tensei.

/thread.

If they won't even have time to react till they're practically gone (Torune and Minato). AND if they won't even noticed him warp in the first place (Fu and Torune)? I doubt it, unless they're constantly spamming Shinra Tensei. Then, Tobi can just hit during the 5 second wait.

Kabuto Yakushi may be able to avoid that jutsu of Tobi's by shedding his skin he seems to be able to do that at a rather quick speed.

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Tough one. I think if Kabuto can completely shed before that (which I highly doubt because he wouldn't even see it coming, and he'd have almost no time to react), he'd be able to survive.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

If they won't even have time to react till they're practically gone (Torune and Minato). AND if they won't even noticed him warp in the first place (Fu and Torune)? I doubt it, unless they're constantly spamming Shinra Tensei. Then, Tobi can just hit during the 5 second wait.




Tough one. I think if Kabuto can completely shed before that (which I highly doubt), he'd be able to survive.

Fine Madara, he can always see Tobi due to his Sharingan. Rinnegan probably can too so I stand by what I said.

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

Anyone with great perceptual ability / reactions;

- Kabuto
- A (v1/v2)

Anyone with Shinra Tensei

- Nagato
- Madara

Anyone with sheer speed and reasonable reactions;

- Naruto KM/BM

 

[james the fourth]

Fine Madara he can always see Tabi due to his Sharingan. Rinnegan probably can too so I stand by what I said.

sharigan cant trace s/t ninjutsu, when a user uses s/t their whole existence erases and the person cant track their chakra, not even hinata who used her byakugan couldnt track or find where tobi is

 

[TobisPawn]

Fine Madara, he can always see Tobi due to his Sharingan. Rinnegan probably can too so I stand by what I said.

Can the Sharingan see through dimensions? If you're talking about right as Tobi initially disappears, that's still a tough one, seeing that Tobi can wait a little till after the Rinnegan (and/or Sharingan) user uses Shinra Tensei. Or he can just go out of their site first, and then warp. Or he can walk underground, over to them.

And even so, are their reactions good enough to use Shinra Tensei, if Minato (amazing reflexes) could barely FTG, AFTER Tobi waited a little?

Guy/Lee(gate version),Naruto(sage and BM),Maybe Itachi(full power),and Pain(nagato)(just because he could just push him back).

If all of those people (other then Pain) can actually managed to break Tobi's (powerful) grip, in the few seconds (maybe even one second or less) that they have to react, which is highly doubtful IMO. For Pain, not if he doesn't even see Tobi coming (i.e. Fu and Torune).

Anyone with great perceptual ability / reactions;

- Kabuto
- A (v1/v2)

Anyone with Shinra Tensei

- Nagato
- Madara

Anyone with sheer speed and reasonable reactions;

- Naruto KM/BM

Even with his reflexes, and with Tobi stopping to chat, Minato barely avoided it with FTG. That explains Kabuto, A, and Naruto IMO. And they would still have to actually break Tobi's powerful grip in the few seconds in which Tobi's S/T warping is also throwing them off balance, without being simply able to warp away like Minato.

And for the Shinra Tensei, look above.

dude I am just saying raikage and naruto are just fast enough to escape from tobis warping bcoz first of all tobi needs to touch them which is likely not happening in any of the two case :noc:

It doesn't matter how fast they are; if they don't see him warping, he can at the very least grab them.

 

[Deadai]

If they won't even have time to react till they're practically gone (Torune and Minato). AND if they won't even noticed him warp in the first place (Fu and Torune)? I doubt it, unless they're constantly spamming Shinra Tensei. Then, Tobi can just hit during the 5 second wait.




Tough one. I think if Kabuto can completely shed before that (which I highly doubt because he wouldn't even see it coming, and he'd have almost no time to react), he'd be able to survive.

Are you sure? wouldn't Kabuto be able to that good ol sage prediction skill of his to see Through Tobi's attack?(I think thats how that sage prediction skill works unsure feel free to correct me if wrong.)

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Yamato and Hashirama by maybe growing wood out of their bodies to enter Tobi's eye in order to buy enough time to attack Tobi to force him go intangible and stop absorbing. Orochimaru by shedding his skin or becoming his super large eight headed snake form, Naruto and Bee by going full bijuu. Pain and Madara by Shinra Tensei or its possible they can absorb the absorption since its a ninjutsu after all. Sasori can scatter his puppet body and rearrange it. Kakuzu can eject his hearts so that Tobi absorbs them and attacking Tobi while he's absorbing the hearts, Danzo can Izanagi, Kabuto can shed his skin. Many people have a lot of option.

 

[TobisPawn]

Are you sure? wouldn't Kabuto be able to that good ol sage prediction skill of his to see Through Tobi's attack?(I think thats how that sage prediction skill works unsure feel free to correct me if wrong.)

Hmm, I think he can predict movements. But I'd say that SM Kabuto has reflexes about even with Minato (FTG'd before A, in V2, hit him), and Minato only managed to get away with FTG, AFTER Tobi stopped to say a few words.

Okay fine but aren't you forgetting about his rinngan......?
Agree with everything else the others could get free.....

Its never been shown that the Rinnegan can read movements like the Sharingan. And still, none of them have reflexes on par with Minato, OR a S/T tech, and assume that Tobi wont stop and chat.

Yamato and Hashirama by maybe growing wood out of their bodies to enter Tobi's eye in order to buy enough time to attack Tobi to force him go intangible and stop absorbing. Orochimaru by shedding his skin or becoming his super large eight headed snake form, Naruto and Bee by going full bijuu.

You seem to forget that all of them have 1-3 second (3 at the very highest) to react, and Minato, with his reflexes AND with Tobi not warping immediately, barely FTG'd away.

None of the above characters have an S/T tech and/or Minato's reflexes. And assume Tobi won't stop and talk like with Minato, making it even harder.

 

[james the fourth]

Are you sure? wouldn't Kabuto be able to that good ol sage prediction skill of his to see Through Tobi's attack?(I think thats how that sage prediction skill works unsure feel free to correct me if wrong.)

no tobi's whole existence and chakra erases when he uses s/t his untraceable. not even hinata's byakugan couldnt trace him during their encounter with him in the forest

 

[~MC117~]

Naruto can do it

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

Can the Sharingan see through dimensions? If you're talking about right as Tobi initially disappears, that's still a tough one, seeing that Tobi can wait a little till after the Rinnegan (and/or Sharingan) user uses Shinra Tensei. Or he can just go out of their site first, and then warp. Or he can walk underground, over to them.

And even so, are their reactions good enough to use Shinra Tensei, if Minato (amazing reflexes) could barely FTG, AFTER Tobi waited a little?

And for the Shinra Tensei, look above.

So you're saying Tobi hides in another dimension then suddenly appears directly in front of them, touches them, and warps them away while whoever is just dumbly standing there? No I don't think Tobi fights that way, but more importantly he has to touch them to warp them and in that little time space Shinra Tensei can be used it is simple. As soon as they are touched, Shinra Tensei and done, countered. You are so incredibly biased towards Tobi in this thread it is ridiculous, try to be practical.