Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

[siyo]

Re: Hiruzen's strength was measured by his jutsu

you didn't read did you. because what you said was basically the summed up point of the thread

I did read; hence me saying yes and reaffirming your points.My only critique is that you should not differentiate bewteen the databook and the manga, and no where in the manga can you actually read that Hashirama is overall stronger than Hiruzen, on the contrary.

Also, you won't change anyone's mind since the vast majority here ignore canon( which is why we see the same threads over and over again).

I don't think so. Youth does not always surpasse the old. Under that logic you'd be saying that Tsunade surpassed Hiruzen wich is not true.

I said that we don't know but Hiruzen should have the advantage.The two strongest senju brothers trained him and passed on their knowledge and abilities, and as prodigy himself, Hiruzen kept improving even after his death and became god of shinobi-and you couple that with the whole youth thing and I have a hard time imagining him not surpassing them( even if I ignore canon and Hiruzen beating them already).

 

[HiddenWarrior]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

It can also be speculated that minato was stronger than hiruzen .. Speculations, speculations.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

It can also be speculated that minato was stronger than hiruzen .. Speculations, speculations.

what are you trying to say?

 

[uchiha3]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

3rd hokage is the strongest kage of them all

 

[UnrealSoul]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

what are you trying to say?

Not enough information to prove anyone>anyone you freaking retard...Everything is opinionated/speculations all you have been doing was stating your damn opinion over damn facts.Your level of ignorance is astounding in this thread...I applaud you.:flaw:

Good Day Sir,

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Not enough information to prove anyone>anyone you freaking retard...Everything is opinionated/speculations all you have been doing was stating your damn opinion over damn facts.Your level of ignorance is astounding in this thread...I applaud you.:flaw:

Good Day Sir,

if you read i said they are even..guess you didnt ...and only reason i defended hashi and madara was because people started saying hiruzen beat all of them...and i neva said hashi beats hiruzen learn to read please...(which opinions did i state)...so i was wrong when i said hiruzen and hashirama are evenly matched till proved otherwise? i was wrong when i said they were toying with him? i was wrong when i said he would have died has orochimaru actually been serious?

 

[UnrealSoul]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

if you read i said they are even..guess you didnt ...and only reason i defended hashi and madara was because people started saying hiruzen beat all of them...and i neva said hashi beats hiruzen learn to read please...(which opinions did i state)...so i was wrong when i said hiruzen and hashirama are evenly matched till proved otherwise? i was wrong when i said they were toying with him? i was wrong when i said he would have died has orochimaru actually been serious?

Half of my post was not even stated towards you.Where in my post did I even claim that anyone said Hiruzen>Hashi please be serious. Apparently I forgot to multi quote and I was not paying any attention.

 

[HiddenWarrior]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Not enough information to prove anyone>anyone you freaking retard...Everything is opinionated/speculations all you have been doing was stating your damn opinion over damn facts.Your level of ignorance is astounding in this thread...I applaud you.:flaw:

Good Day Sir,

Thanks

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Half of my post was not even stated towards you.Where in my post did I even claim that anyone said Hiruzen>Hashi please be serious. Apparently I forgot to multi quote and I was not paying any attention.

>.> seemed like it was awfully pinpointed to me or one person rather ...and your post said something about someone >someone...i strongly believe its tied till proven otherwise anyway even if people say manga>what i say...the manga it self doesnt have enough info to actually compare them two..ability wise though its a different story

 

[UnrealSoul]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

>.> seemed like it was awfully pinpointed to me or one person rather ...and your post said something about someone >someone...i strongly believe its tied till proven otherwise anyway even if people say manga>what i say...the manga it self doesnt have enough info to actually compare them two..ability wise though its a different story

Naw I was backing up your statement that they are equal till proven otherwise.I said you can't say anyone>anyone without absolute proof because we lack proof for Hiruzen,Hashirama,and minato to claim who is the strongest.

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

An interesting point about your thread - the first page you use as "evidence" is Kabuto saying he is the strongest of the KAGES not HOkages get it? He is strongest of the 5 Kages because there were not 5 Hokages at this time seeing as Tsunade was chosen. The second page also, states that he was the strongest of all... this is kind of ambiguous it DOES NOT say he was the strongest of all HOKAGE just the strongest of all this could refer to living shinobi at his time he is the strongest in the village during his rule. You really have little proof here. The databooks even refer to what the people who are younger than Hiruzen are saying and even then "it was said" not "it is irrefutable truth that...." The people who are regarding Hiruzen as such were not alive to see Hashirama and thus don't know about the magnitude of his strength. All they know is the fairy tale of Hashirama and the strength of Hiruzen which they can see for themselves they call him the strongest.

literally the first thing i thought of when i saw this thread.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

literally the first thing i thought of when i saw this thread.

There is a scan saying strongest hokage....sorry wont lie about that

Naw I was backing up your statement that they are equal till proven otherwise.I said you can't say anyone>anyone without absolute proof because we lack proof for Hiruzen,Hashirama,and minato to claim who is the strongest.

ah lol alot of people dont accept the draw :/

 

[Cerox0]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Guy's, in his Prime it is true he was called the God of Shinobi, but he was a God to every shinobi in the present , how can he be rated to someone who wasn't born yet? In other words let's say hiruzen was prime now in Part 2, I don't think he would have that title.

The Title was just a Part 1 hype. In other words the difference of power levels were different from Hiruzen's Time then current Part 2 Naruto. I understand many of you think he is the strongest because of the title, but he got the title BECAUSE he was the strongest at the time, (Understand?)

He is in no way shape or form weak, He at 69 years old beat The 2 weak Hokage's and took Orochimaru's arms at the same time.

But even if we did know the extent of Hiruzen's powers, do you honestly think he could beat BM Naruto, EMS Sasuke, Rinne-Tobi, and the list could go on. The point is Hiruzen is powerful indeed, really truly, but this overrating of him needs to stop.

Also Hashirama was dead when Hiruzen was Prime. So when Hiruzen was called "God of shinobi" clearly that didn't count against hashi as he was not alive.

Like OP said, did you see all the moves we saw Madara use? He didn't use them in That hokage royale in part 1 because he was a noob version of the real Hashirama

 

[zombiejesus]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

i dont care either way but to start shit hurizen would stomp hashi ...and did and his little brother too so yea hurizen over hashi

 

[GreenV]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

That's why DBZ is the best. Everything is clear XD

 

[Taiketsu Yagami]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Again... The databook clearly says Hiruzen was the strongest kage. Until Kishi refutes this, it is fact that he was stronger then Hashirama. Not to mention manga so people's oppinions don't mean ****.

 

[Sonin]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

That's not what the manga said. The manga clearly said Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage. Hashirama may have been a fairytale but how in anyway does that overrule the statement that Hiruzen was the strongest hokage?

How can someone be the strongest hokage but still be weaker than another one? You cannot deny manga facts.

People keep bringing up their interpretations of 'oh, Kishi has changed the stroyline'. Any of you got a transcript of that wonderful conversation you had with Kishi?

That was before minato was around(hiruzen's prime) also i would say 80% of people agree the manga's plot has changed. I am truly sorry you cannot accept this. I think Kishi lets the manga show it and would think that everyone can realize he has changes things. Nagato was called a GOD. not just of shinobi but a GOD. He was defeated. Minato was said to be unsurpassable. So just stop.

 

[senju tobirama10]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

orochimauro was useing reanimation justu not edo so try to get the facts together. im assume edo justu allows the body to use all of the orginal decease person justu. reanimation justu we never say the raw strength of the first nor his clones, nor his forest ability, nothing. once again relaize this when you agree with the fan boys

FIRST HOKAGE TOOK CONTROL OVER MADARA PET THAT HAD FALLEN TO HIS CONTROLL. AND defeated them both, hiruzen cried and called for the fourth hokage to save him and the village while he watched in awe.

Orochimaru was using edo Tensei.

 

[Sonin]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

Orochimaru was using edo Tensei.

^ reanimation is edo tensei lol

 

[senju tobirama10]

Re: Hiruzen fanboys are fools

^ reanimation is edo tensei lol

I know dude said Orochimaru didn't use edo tensei. I should of worded what i said better lol.