Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

[Blunt]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Orochimaru beat Hiruzen, enough said.

 

[Ultimatevirus]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

hashirama seems stronger but kishi intends on showing hiruzen to be the strongest... so by cannon: hiruzen

 

[MisterPro]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

If Hiruzen > Hashi then Hiruzen > Madara ? I don't think so. Actually the truth was Madara killed Hashirama then didn't go back to the village because he thought he would be despised and not acccepted as hokage then he went on his own way.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

i mean take plot out ofthis full on fight ...because by plot alot of noobs >pros

 

[DeViliShChild]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

If Hiruzen > Hashi then Hiruzen > Madara ? I don't think so. Actually the truth was Madara killed Hashirama then didn't go back to the village because he thought he would be despised and not acccepted as hokage then he went on his own way.

Go read manga madara lost.
Also math equations don't work in naruto.

 

[Darksharinnegan]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

hurizen beat hashi and tobi at the same time? while dealing with oro and old age get over it

 

[naruttebayo]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

hype given to both

Hiruzen
God of shinobi
Professor ( knows all jutsus)
Strongest kage
Strongest hokage(i dont believe this but yes its said in the manga)
Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history

Hashirama
Strongest of his era
Strongest shinobi
Him and his brother Strongest shinobi
Only one who can stop madara(dan statement not saying its true)
Fairy tale like strength (myth) no shinobi of his level alive anymore
most powerful shinobi of his era


if you look at the hype hiruzen still wins

hashi was strongest of his era , not the all time strongest .

also may be here strongest means physically strong .

hashi don't have the title of strongest hokage .

quote of Dan - only hashi can beat madara , ?? -- well hiruzen was not there that's why he said so .

most important thing an old hiruzen fought hashi and tobirama at the same time and defeated them .

read the words of hype carefully . you'll see hiruzen is better .

 

[MisterPro]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

i mean take plot out ofthis full on fight ...because by plot alot of noobs >pros

Yup yup. I would + rep if i knew how..

 

[MisterPro]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

hype given to both

Hiruzen
God of shinobi
Professor ( knows all jutsus)
Strongest kage
Strongest hokage(i dont believe this but yes its said in the manga)
Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history

Hashirama
Strongest of his era
Strongest shinobi
Him and his brother Strongest shinobi
Only one who can stop madara(dan statement not saying its true)
Fairy tale like strength (myth) no shinobi of his level alive anymore
most powerful shinobi of his era


if you look at the hype hiruzen still wins

hashi was strongest of his era , not the all time strongest .

also may be here strongest means physically strong .

hashi don't have the title of strongest hokage .

quote of Dan - only hashi can beat madara , ?? -- well hiruzen was not there that's why he said so .

most important thing an old hiruzen fought hashi and tobirama at the same time and defeated them .

read the words of hype carefully . you'll see hiruzen is better .

Hiruzen is better than hashi. Madara is better than hashi. Madara is better than Hiruzen

 

[MisterPro]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Go read manga madara lost.
Also math equations don't work in naruto.

I did. Madara is stronger than Hashi. read my post again and see what he really did

 

[YellowFang]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Well, I don't care about what kind of statements characters give about others, ex. is:
Kakashi: Naruto has surpassed me(completion of FRS)
and I strongly believe that THAT naruto was nowhere near Kakashi's level....
If Iruka says 3rd is the strongest, it was HIS opinion after listening to others and supposedly no one had seen Hashi in their life.....3rd didn't beat "Senju Hashirama, leader of the forest clan, first hokage of HLV & the only man in the world who could rival and defeat such OP'd Madara" coz those were imperfect dummies and mere dead-bodies controlled by Oro who 3rd defeated and still with high difficulty.......
Madara is just pitying on gokage and still admires Hashirama after getting all those OP's...............even regarding the power-scale level of saga & shippuden, Hashirama is still better and supposedly can be rivaled by THIS Madara only.......IMO.

Don't show me links or pages, not bcoz I doubt manga BCOZ sometimes manga statements are too ambigious and SHOULD only be understood by ones own point of view until proven clear-cut...

 

[EuGenius]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Kishimoto was was drunk when he wrote part one. but it did say that the new generations will surpass the previous. so if thats true tsunade > hashirama. but IMO i find that BS

 

[destined 2 win]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

kakashi once said to naruto that naruto can one day even surpass the 4th hokage who he claimed to be the strongest hokage so does it mean minato >>>>>>1st 2nd 3rd hokage.

but i still believe ist hokage is strongest to hiruzen beacuse

1. hiruzen has shown no feats and great achievement except fighting orochimaru
2.hiruzen was only a spectator when tobi+9 tail fox attacked konoha and hiruzen was pleading 4th hokage minato to stop that carnage.
3.hiruzen was hailed strongest hokage by iruka sensei i guess but do u really believe the saying of a person who hasnt even witness hiruzn in a legendary battle. to be a great hero , u need a great villaine. and hiruzen has no one in his times. come on man u are watching how awsome E.M.S madara and his techniques are and most of the ninja of hiruzen era dont even know about susanoo,amatersu,mokuton,tsukuyomi, raw brute force and no hiruzen never had to face them. all hiruzen has in his arsenal in thousand shuriken jutus,some elemental jutsu, fire realse earth realease , etc etc and which shinobi has died with these crappy jutsu expect fodder ninjas in ist half of naruto part.

4.kabuto knows full strength of all hokages and he himself stated no one in this world is alive or dead who could match hashirama's power. even hashi cell can boot energy for production of millions of zetsu so what might the real hashi will be. even most of jutsu that hiruzen learned are from legendary hashirama. only kabuto and madara uchihaa knows true power of senju hashirama not a simple kindergarden teacher i.e iruka sensei.

 

[minatoisagod]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

damn kishi forgiving such hype to these characters it makes it so hard to say who was better

 

[destined 2 win]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

hype given to both

Hiruzen
God of shinobi
Professor ( knows all jutsus)
Strongest kage
Strongest hokage(i dont believe this but yes its said in the manga)
Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history

Hashirama
Strongest of his era
Strongest shinobi
Him and his brother Strongest shinobi
Only one who can stop madara(dan statement not saying its true)
Fairy tale like strength (myth) no shinobi of his level alive anymore
most powerful shinobi of his era


if you look at the hype hiruzen still wins

hashi was strongest of his era , not the all time strongest .

also may be here strongest means physically strong .

hashi don't have the title of strongest hokage .

quote of Dan - only hashi can beat madara , ?? -- well hiruzen was not there that's why he said so .

most important thing an old hiruzen fought hashi and tobirama at the same time and defeated them .

read the words of hype carefully . you'll see hiruzen is better .

your logics are so naive and childish

all greatest shinobi who are hailed are strongest were in hashi era. madara , izuna uchihhaa, hashi, tobirama . nobody ever seen susanoo,tsukuyomi,amatersu except in hashi era and itachi era.even jiraiya and kakashi didnt knew about tsukuyomi, and amatersu was totall new jutus for the peoples like kakashi who was copy ninja and knew more than 1000 jutsu. this whole breed of ninja after hashi are totally nooob and dont know what the ultimate power of universe are.

only itachi and tobi,nagato showed what too overwhelming power really looks like but even then hashi and madara powers truely overshadow these next generation ninjas.

and u really made me laught when u mention dan satated only hashi can stop madara bcoz hiruzen wasnt there. well during 9tail fox +tobi attack on konoha , hiruzen was merely a spectator and did nothing while 4th single handedly defeated them both. hence i say even 4th hokage >>>> 3rd hokage.

 

[destined 2 win]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

and finally who will hiruzen manage to kill hashirama???

hashirama
1.ultimate forest jutusu will poisonous flowers so opponet have to to fight without taking breadth.

2.most perfect multi shadow clones jutsu -stated by madara himself with EMS
3.brute force capable of supressing even 9 tail fox
4.quick healing ability without performing seals
5.most strongest ninja with most stamina in the world
6.bringer of darkness genjutsu
7.most of elemental jutsu on grand scale
8.the person with direct blood lineage with SO6P
9.one of the most intellegent person who managed to defeat one of the most strongest and cleaver shinobi alive in world, so dont underestimate intelligence of hashirama.
10.the person who fought ultimate uchihaas and other strongest shinobi for his whole life and forged a nation called konoha grouping together uchihaa and senju.
11.the person who created many original jutsu. the person who had the strongest will of fire. the person whose jutsu are in curriculum of shinobi world

vs

hiruzen
1.hyped by iruka sensei but hasnt been proved his full strength yet in manga
2.person whose only significant victory was agnst noob orochimaru and his mindless puppet edo dummies of ist and 2nd hokage.
3.hiruzen himself said knows million jutsu isnt a main thing. true will power and faith in ownself is true power.
4.no significant attack shown yet only some mud style jutsu,some fire style,and shadow clone technique and finally a copied verson of minato death reaper seal
5.hiruzen did nothing but only observed during 9tail+tobi attack
such a noob
6.possess no true strong attack to injure hashirama what so ever.
7.hiruzen will crap in his own pant when he wil see EMS madara just like combined 5 kages did but hashi owned madara

so hashirama >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hiruzen

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

hashirama> hiruzen

hashirama controlled the tailed beast, hiruzen was getting owned by 9 tails he had to relly on minato. hiruzen would have been murder by madara. madara broken out of seals and traps by the 5 kages at least twice. hiruzen got owned by orochimaru and couldnt get out of the low level barrier. this thread needs to be deleted there is no arguement at all unless your a troll

i am a hashirama fan...i dont believe we should say he wins or that hiruzen its just a topic for arguement and should be stopped because noone has proof who would win

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

hashirama>madara man...

 

[MisterPro]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

For the last time... Madara >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hashirama

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

For the last time... Madara >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hashirama

when did madara kill hashirama and madara lost in a fight...unless youre talking about edo madara