[Theory] This is how hashirama beat Madara !!

[6PathsofKami]

Hashi can keep a bijuu supressed with his mokuton so maybe after he used a contract seal on madaras he supressed kurama to take him out of the battle then defeat madara one vs one. After that he put kurama in mito.

 

[alexu9696]

Hashi can keep a bijuu supressed with his mokuton so maybe after he used a contract seal on madaras he supressed kurama to take him out of the battle then defeat madara one vs one. After that he put kurama in mito.

yes that i belive

 

[alexu9696]

Hashirama and Madara were both capable of completely controlling the tailed beasts. It was said that Hashirama could control them like pets. Plus, Hashi's ability to control the bijuu's were amplified by his crystal necklace. I believe that Hashirama's crystal necklace gave him the edge over Madara when it came to controlling Kurama.

The point that I'm trying to make is that perhaps Hashirama stole control of Kurama, with the help of that necklace, and then used Kurama to secure a victory against Madara.

i understand .. but hashi will not take control of kurama to beat madara .. why that because ... that would make hashi just like madara ... a power hungry using the tailead beast just to smash .... and we all know that hashi gived all the vilages one or two beast in the beginning .... so hashi will not use kyuubi that way ... i think he would seal the kyuubi in mito

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Dude Bringer-of-Darkness Technique is a ninjutsu not a genjutsu xd lol like kabuto used sound ninjutsu to numb itachi and sasuke

The databook says that its a genjutsu.

i understand .. but hashi will not take control of kurama to beat madara .. why that because ... that would make hashi just like madara ... a power hungry using the tailead beast just to smash .... and we all know that hashi gived all the vilages one or two beast in the beginning .... so hashi will not use kyuubi that way ... i think he would seal the kyuubi in mito

In the end Hashirama decided to keep the strongest Bijuu for his own village. (It doesn't say much for not being power hungry). Anyway, using the the Kyuubi is not always something "power hungry". The Kyuubi can be used for good. Look at Naruto.

Also, Mito most probably sealed Kurama into herself after the battle was finished. There's a scan of Hashirama telling the Kyuubi that he cant let him roam free any longer. Judging from Hashi's appearance in that scan it seamed like the battle was completed already when he said that to the Kyuubi. Which means that Kurama was not sealed during the battle but after. But thats only my opinion and you could always be right about Mito being present.

 

[psukkar]

Hashirama and Madara were both capable of completely controlling the tailed beasts. It was said that Hashirama could control them like pets. Plus, Hashi's ability to control the bijuu's were amplified by his crystal necklace. I believe that Hashirama's crystal necklace gave him the edge over Madara when it came to controlling Kurama.

The point that I'm trying to make is that perhaps Hashirama stole control of Kurama, with the help of that necklace, and then used Kurama to secure a victory against Madara.

yamato needed the necklace not hasihrama to supress a host.

doubtfull hasihrama needed a necklace at all.

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

yamato needed the necklace not hasihrama to supress a host.

doubtfull hasihrama needed a necklace at all.

The Necklace originally belonged to Hashirama and he used it to enhance his ability to control Bijuus. nb! I'm not saying that he needs it to control bijuus. He can do that on his own without the necklace. I'm saying that the necklace enhanced that ability.

 

[alexu9696]

The databook says that its a genjutsu.



In the end Hashirama decided to keep the strongest Bijuu for his own village. (It doesn't say much for not being power hungry). Anyway, using the the Kyuubi is not always something "power hungry". The Kyuubi can be used for good. Look at Naruto.

Also, Mito most probably sealed Kurama into herself after the battle was finished. There's a scan of Hashirama telling the Kyuubi that he cant let him roam free any longer. Judging from Hashi's appearance in that scan it seamed like the battle was completed already when he said that to the Kyuubi. Which means that Kurama was not sealed during the battle but after. But thats only my opinion and you could always be right about Mito being present.

i remeber also a scan when madara was in front of naruto and somethink like uzumaki mito's clan
so madara knows mito ...

 

[MadaraHashirama]

i remeber also a scan when madara was in front of naruto and somethink like uzumaki mito's clan
so madara knows mito ...

Why wouldn't Madara know Mito, she's Hashirama's wife? Madara even knows Nagato? What point are you trying to make?

 

[Heister]

Somewhat agreeable.

 

[alexu9696]

Why wouldn't Madara know Mito, she's Hashirama's wife? Madara even knows Nagato? What point are you trying to make?

he know her because she was there in theri fight ... you know before de senju and uchiha peace there was in vilage so women were not in the fight .... so somehow he know her in battle and he know nagato because i think he was the one who gaved nagato rinnegan and not tobi ... tobi only takes credit for that

 

[~MC117~]

You need to remember that Hashirama didnt beat Rinnegan Madara, but EMS Madara. Edo Madara have Rinnegan. mokuton, PERFECT SUSANOO, and hell of stuff. Without Hashirama's DNA, he wouldnt be able to use Mokuton clone with susanoo, as well as mokuton.

Dan stated that the only one who can beat Edo Madara is Hashirama, so we'll see.

Dan doesn't even know about the powers of edo madara :|

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

1) Well first Madara dint have the rinnegan when he was fighting hashirama and he dint have any wood release but madara did have the eternal mangekyou sharingan

Madara could not predict hashirama and could not use susanoo and other eye jutsu to the full power because hashirama had this jutsu Bringer-of-Darkness Technique

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Bringer-of-Darkness Technique...this technique exerts an hallucinatory effect upon the eyesight, effectively blinding the opponent. No matter how skilled an opponent may be, they are forced to wait helpless in this world of darkness, as this technique allows the user to attack unseen. Although it negates sight, it does not stop the other senses.

2) Hashirama could not die easly becase he had something more powerfull then tsunade .... he had something like this Byakugō no Jutsu and he was kind of imortal because he could regenerate very fast

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Also hashirama had a very powerfull jutsu Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees that was very famous

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3) Hashirama had very good seals agains tailead beast Hokage-Style Sixty-Year-Old Technique — Kakuan Entering Society with Bliss-Bringing Hands ( he also had a scroll of seals and his wife was a uzumaki ) also he gave one beast to each vilage so he had some OP seals ... so the nine tails was no problem for him

Note: hashirama was not battling alone against madara ... he seald the kyuubi in his wife mito .... so mito was somewhere in that battle ( or at least close to the battle ) because she was need it to seal the kyuubi

Conclusion: Madara had to fight hashirma in close combat and in close combat hashiarma could regenerate every hit .... the kyuubi was released from madara control and seald in mito

Hashirama beat madara because of his powers .... and madara didnt beat him because he could not use his eyes power to the full extent

Its obvious that Madara couldnt beat Hashirama without his cells.






-gHost Senju, K.U.S.H. Sage

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

he know her because she was there in theri fight ... you know before de senju and uchiha peace there was in vilage so women were not in the fight .... so somehow he know her in battle and he know nagato because i think he was the one who gaved nagato rinnegan and not tobi ... tobi only takes credit for that

I think your talking about

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. Its Tobi, not Madara, that comments on some knowledge he had of Mito. Mito was the Shodaime's wife, so that makes her famous. Tobi would have to have been living under a rock for all those years if he didn't at least know about Mito. Plus, Madara was obsessed with Hashirama. I'd be even more surprised if he didn't know about Hashirama's wife, Mito.

In that scan, Tobi was merely commenting on Mito's ability to sense malice because of her control over the Kyuubi, an ability Naruto also acquired at that time. Plus, Mito helped with the founding of the village and she became very old. Which means that Tobi had plenty of time to find out that Mito could sense malice. In other words, the Battle of VOTE wasn't the only opportunity Tobi had to find out that Mito could sense malice.

 

[Mellanoma]

Honestly, I think Madara controlling the nine tails crippled his ability to use his eyes to the fullest. I honestly think madara kept control of the tailed beast just so it wouldnt turn around and kill him while him and hashirama was fighting. That would make more sense than any thing.

I think madara under estimated hashirama and figured all he needed was the nine tails and not his eyes full strength. Sadly it back fired

 

[alexu9696]

I think your talking about

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. Its Tobi, not Madara, that comments on some knowledge he had of Mito. Mito was the Shodaime's wife, so that makes her famous. Tobi would have to have been living under a rock for all those years if he didn't at least know about Mito. Plus, Madara was obsessed with Hashirama. I'd be even more surprised if he didn't know about Hashirama's wife, Mito.

In that scan, Tobi was merely commenting on Mito's ability to sense malice because of her control over the Kyuubi, an ability Naruto also acquired at that time. Plus, Mito helped with the founding of the village and she became very old. Which means that Tobi had plenty of time to find out that Mito could sense malice. In other words, the Battle of VOTE wasn't the only opportunity Tobi had to find out that Mito could sense malice.

its not that scan is this one ... so madara knows mito

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[alexu9696]

Honestly, I think Madara controlling the nine tails crippled his ability to use his eyes to the fullest. I honestly think madara kept control of the tailed beast just so it wouldnt turn around and kill him while him and hashirama was fighting. That would make more sense than any thing.

I think madara under estimated hashirama and figured all he needed was the nine tails and not his eyes full strength. Sadly it back fired

no uchiha battle only with eyes and he took nine tails as a thank ,,,because he only wanted to take hashirma dna and then fake his death and run like a coward ..... nine tails was a distraction from his plan

 

[Uchiha Madara Senju]

Good Theory !
+rep For You Theory
Regards.

 

[alexu9696]

Good Theory !
+rep For You Theory
Regards.

thank you + rep to you to

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

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its not that scan is this one ... so madara knows mito

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OK. Like I said you could always be right. And I accept your opinion. But, that scan doesn't change the basic concept of what I stated. Mito's involvement in the fight is still indeterminable with the evidence we got from Madara or anywhere else.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

Its obvious that Madara couldnt beat Hashirama without his cells.






-gHost Senju, K.U.S.H. Sage

Madara had to rely on stealing eyes, DNA's and Bijuu's to get more power, Hashirama got his power fair and square by training and that's why he's the best Shinobi, he doesn't need to be stealing eyes here and there in order to become stronger, he uses his own powers and that's having honor and pride, Madara is a disgrace to the Uchiha's if you ask me.
No wonder Madara is fanboying Hashirama, sadly most Uchiha fanboys are too blind to see that.