Hashirama's power being considered a myth doesn't mean anything.

[Guardian of the Rain]

Whatever :sy: I'm through trying to enlighten these Hiruzen fanboys. I'm off this thread for good

 

[TobisPawn]

Hmmmm Maybe the fact that Edo's can be brought into their primes is a clue?

So why didn't Kabuto bring Nagato into his prime? Or how about Kakuzu? He enhanced Edo Madara, that's all. Hell, Tobirama looked the exact same when Hiruzen became Hokage when the Senju clan first allied with the Uchiha.

And why wouldn't Oro bring Hashi and Tobi into their primes when he was trying to destroy Konoha?

And my other points still have not been disproved.

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

What's sadder is that the majority of the base is actually in favor of Hashirama being the strongest Hokage.




Tell me more about how you have proof stating that everyone disregarded every single one of those old men and middle-aged adults. U_U And by the way, Tsunade saw Hashirama's prime too. I don't see her calling Hashirama the strongest Hokage.

Hiruzen received his nickname IN his prime, meaning those same people who saw Hashirama's prime, gave it to him.

Did you read my part about the myth explanation?

Okay
so what will you say about hiruzen when you watched the anime when kyuubi attacked the village 16 years ago?? and fourth did all the work
i guess he was not so old at that point of time

 

[Lankeysob]

to long

*Too* long. Anyways, I agree with the OP. Hashirama is getting way over hyped here.

 

[TheSages456]

What's sadder is that the majority of the base is actually in favor of Hashirama being the strongest Hokage.




Tell me more about how you have proof stating that everyone disregarded every single one of those old men and middle-aged adults. U_U And by the way, Tsunade saw Hashirama's prime too. I don't see her calling Hashirama the strongest Hokage.

Hiruzen received his nickname IN his prime, meaning those same people who saw Hashirama's prime, gave it to him.

Did you read my part about the myth explanation?

hashiramas power was stated to be a myth. myth>god. thats why no one believed anyone that tried to tell them about hashiramas strength. tsunade made no mention to who the strongest hokage was so thats a moot point.

 

[TobisPawn]

Okay
so what will you say about hiruzen when you watched the anime when kyuubi attacked the village 16 years ago?? and fourth did all the work
i guess he was not so old at that point of time

4th had to seal Kurama away, Hiruzen had no such seal. That says nothing about their strengths when compared with each other.

hashiramas power was stated to be a myth. myth>god. thats why no one believed anyone that tried to tell them about hashiramas strength. tsunade made no mention to who the strongest hokage was so thats a moot point.

So you're saying that every single old man was not believed when, as you say, they tried telling everyone that Hashirama > Hiruzen? That's a terrible argument.

It makes much more sense for them to have stated Hiruzen to be the strongest. Read my possible explanation as to why Hashirama was called a myth.

 

[dominicansharingan]

Nah, at the end of the day, long term Madara won. End of story.

Didn't read by the way.

 

[TobisPawn]

Nah, at the end of the day, long term Madara won. End of story.

Didn't read by the way.

lolwtf not relative at all...

Whatever :sy: I'm through trying to enlighten these Hiruzen fanboys. I'm off this thread for good

Leaving because you have no good counter other than Kishi being a terrible writer who can't make up his mind?

 

[Super Kami Guru]

im sorry but hiruzen learned from the first two hokages soo obviously he was going to be a best but he was no senju..... he couldnt control tailed beasts and hand the over to other villages to make peace...... he couldnt beat madara..... it's like fact that all of the older ninjas are the strongest because they were raised in a time of all out war only strongest survived so 1st>3rd

 

[5tails master]

dude dont be dumb how in the world is the third hokage better then the first i doubt that the third could ever beat madara the way the first hokage beat madara thats like saying sakura could beat itachi lol u need to watch naruto more do u even know what naruto is hahahahaha

 

[TobisPawn]

im sorry but hiruzen learned from the first two hokages soo obviously he was going to be a best but he was no senju..... he couldnt control tailed beasts and hand the over to other villages to make peace...... he couldnt beat madara..... it's like fact that all of the older ninjas are the strongest because they were raised in a time of all out war only strongest survived so 1st>3rd

Hashirama > Tailed Beasts (suppression) > (possibly) Hiruzen does NOT make Hashirama > Hiruzen...

dude dont be dumb how in the world is the third hokage better then the first i doubt that the third could ever beat madara the way the first hokage beat madara thats like saying sakura could beat itachi lol u need to watch naruto more do u even know what naruto is hahahahaha

A>B>C does not mean A>C.

Hashirama > Madara because he knows all of his techs and fought him his whole life, and because he can suppress Kurama, maybe? And what's not to say that Hiruzen > EMS Madara (without Kurama)?

You need to read the manga and use logic more often. Do YOU know what Naruto is?

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

4th had to seal Kurama away, Hiruzen had no such seal. That says nothing about their strengths when compared with each other.




So you're saying that every single old man was not believed when, as you say, they tried telling everyone that Hashirama > Hiruzen? That's a terrible argument.

It makes much more sense for them to have stated Hiruzen to be the strongest. Read my possible explanation as to why Hashirama was called a myth.

That really says something which you are in denial of
the great hiruzen you are referring to cant even control kurama for a long time and that too with the help of enma and that really raises a big quesion mark about the man you are talking about :noc:

 

[TheSages456]

4th had to seal Kurama away, Hiruzen had no such seal. That says nothing about their strengths when compared with each other.




So you're saying that every single old man was not believed when, as you say, they tried telling everyone that Hashirama > Hiruzen? That's a terrible argument.

It makes much more sense for them to have stated Hiruzen to be the strongest. Read my possible explanation as to why Hashirama was called a myth.

i read the OP. you say that hashirama was a myth for the size of his techs and that makes no sense. since your such a manga warrior, the manga specifically stated that hashiramas strength was a myth like the sage of six paths.

 

[Super Kami Guru]

So why didn't Kabuto bring Nagato into his prime? Or how about Kakuzu? He enhanced Edo Madara, that's all. Hell, Tobirama looked the exact same when Hiruzen became Hokage when the Senju clan first allied with the Uchiha.

And why wouldn't Oro bring Hashi and Tobi into their primes when he was trying to destroy Konoha?

And my other points still have not been disproved.

dude he did... he had original body.... yes he didnt have working legs because he couldnt get dna from him earlier..... he still had all paths in one body....

 

[sharingan17]

He wasn't that old when 9 tails attack. Why didn't he stop it? When hashi defeated madara and kyuubi. If hiruzen>hashi shouldn't he be able to defeat madara, which I really doubt and stopping kyuubi shouldnt be hard foe him, yet minato and kuchina sacrifice themselves.

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

Hiruzen was almost indisputably the best Hokage, but that honor is not solely determined by raw power. Hiruzen was an inspirational and compassionate leader who was highly skilled and intelligent. These things (and the fact that he could use all of the elements) make him the best Hokage, not necessarily the most powerful.

 

[Ryuu..]

hashiramas power was stated to be a myth. myth>god. thats why no one believed anyone that tried to tell them about hashiramas strength. tsunade made no mention to who the strongest hokage was so thats a moot point.

Why are you fixated on this 'myth' and 'god' foolishness? Hiruzen was called the strongest hokage. You can't misinterpret that.

 

[TobisPawn]

That really says something which you are in denial of
the great hiruzen you are referring to cant even control kurama for a long time and that too with the help of enma and that really raises a big quesion mark about the man you are talking about :noc:

Hashirama had the ability to suppress Tailed Beasts, Hiruzen didn't. And that makes Hashirama > Hiruzen, how? Hiruzen isn't a jinchuuriki.

i read the OP. you say that hashirama was a myth for the size of his techs and that makes no sense. since your such a manga warrior, the manga specifically stated that hashiramas strength was a myth like the sage of six paths.

His strength could have been considered a myth because he lived so long ago, like SO6P. Your point? There were still many men who had to have witnessed both primes and still considered Hiruzen > Hashirama.

dude he did... he had original body.... yes he didnt have working legs because he couldnt get dna from him earlier..... he still had all paths in one body....

And he had white hair and like no chakra. Your point?

He wasn't that old when 9 tails attack. Why didn't he stop it? When hashi defeated madara and kyuubi. If hiruzen>hashi shouldn't he be able to defeat madara, which I really doubt and stopping kyuubi shouldnt be hard foe him, yet minato and kuchina sacrifice themselves.

He can't suppress Bijuu chakra...that doesn't matter vs Hashirama.

 

[Naruto9001]

Hashirama got higher praise from Kabuto than even Nagato. Kishi obviously pulled a retcon since Kabuto said Hiruzen was the strongest hokage but than in part 2 makes no mention of Hiruzen's strength and praises Hashi so much.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Tsunade saw Hashirama's prime

she was a small child when hiruzen was in his 20s...hashi was long dead

Orochimaru PERFECTED Edo Tensei, meaning that he had prime Hashirama as one of his pawns.

he wasnt prime hashirama as hes not the real hashirama, only a controlled pawn

It just didn't seem like it because Part 2 power scaling > Part 1 power scaling (Tobirama's basic Suiton was considered Kage level).

and still is

Anyways, Orochimaru still considered Hiruzen as the strongest Hokage, and "The God of Shinobi."

no. he didnt. he said thats waht others say about him and asked hiruzen not to disappoint him. which hiruzen did.

Did you notice that he was only taunting Hiruzen's old age, not his actual ability compared to Hashirama and Tobirama?

then why did he have the hokages toy around if hiruzen was so incredibly good? if hes so incredible how come hes THAT weakened by old age when even onoki isnt?

That doesn't mean anything in being the best Hokage.

yes it does. mokuton is one of the strongest bloodlines. thats why EVERYONE wants it