TobisPawn
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Part 1
There's people who lived through both Hashirama AND Hiruzen's primes. Yet who was called the strongest Hokage, "The God of Shinobi," and "The Professor?" Those people wouldn't just go like "oh yeah what we saw of Hashirama wasn't real; it was just a myth!!! Hiruzen is our second choice then!!" The fact is, those people who witnessed both of their eras considered Hiruzen better.
1. Here's a copy paste from one of my other posts:
"And yes, people from Hashirama's prime witnessed Hiruzen's prime. Say there was a 20 year old guy living through Hashirama's prime. Hashirama died not too long after his fight with Madara (5 years at max), because Tobirama looked the exact same as Hokage. And Tobirama stayed the same looks-wise when Hiruzen became Hokage. I'll be generous and say there was a 15 year time gap in Hashirama's death (at a young age) and Hiruzen becoming Hokage. 10 years later, Hiruzen probably reached his prime. That'd make the 20 year olds from Hashirama's era around 45-50. So I see no reason for them to have witnessed Hiruzen's prime. Hell, add in another 10 years and they'd still be able to witness his prime. Forget it, add another 10 years on top of that and they'd still witness it. And who was called "The God of Shinobi" or "The Professor" by them?"
2. Possible explanation for Hashirama being considered a myth:
And did you guys ever consider that Hashirama's power was possibly called a myth because he was the only user of Mokuton? Or maybe myth meant that Hashirama's techs were on a much larger scale, size-wise. That doesn't mean anything in being the best Hokage. Being a myth doesn't automatically make you above everyone else.
3. And here's a little more proof, regarding Orochimaru and his Edos, for those yet-remaining skeptics:
Orochimaru PERFECTED Edo Tensei, meaning that he had prime Hashirama as one of his pawns. It just didn't seem like it because Part 2 power scaling > Part 1 power scaling (Tobirama's basic Suiton was considered Kage level). Anyways, Orochimaru still considered Hiruzen as the strongest Hokage, and "The God of Shinobi." Did you notice that he was only taunting Hiruzen's old age, not his actual ability compared to Hashirama and Tobirama? And note that Orochimaru despised Hiruzen, yet still complemented him as someone who used to be the strongest Hokage.
So in conclusion, people who saw both of their primes still considered Hiruzen the best Hokage. Case closed.
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Part 2
A copy paste from one of my threads, with additional proof:
So there's this butthurt Hashirama fanboy who thinks that either:
1. No one who saw Hashirama's prime saw Hiruzen's too (which I'll debunk later).
2. That not a single damn person in the entire Konoha believed people talking about Hashirama's prime (which I'll debunk later on too).
I'll be getting into the background, and then the two theories.
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Here's an image of when Tobirama and Hashirama (arguably in his prime) were still alive, with a young Hiruzen:
From the looks of it, Hiruzen became Hokage at most 15 years AFTER this image was taken, meaning that Hashirama died not too long after this, so he reached his prime not too much after, or was already in his prime. Here's an image of Hiruzen when he became Hokage, showing only about a 10-15 year age difference.
Now there obviously was a lot of 20 year olds living during the first photo, don't you think? If Hiruzen reached his prime around 25 years later after the first photo (10 years after becoming Hokage), those same people would be 45. Hell, the 15 year olds from Hashirama's prime would be 40. So many people witnessed both Hashirama's and Hiruzen's prime. That's enough with the background information.
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Now here's where both of our theories split paths, seeing that these men obviously witnessed both of their primes:
1. The Hashirama fan's theory - Every single 40-60(+) year old that saw both of their primes (which they obviously did, as proven above) tried convincing every single person in Konoha that Hashirama > Hiruzen, yet not a single person believed them. OR he says that no one from Hashirama's prime witnessed Hiruzen's (which has been debunked above).
My argument against this: Tell me, people of NB, do you think every 40 year old in our society is some geezer with Alzheimers or something? Besides, many members from Hiruzen's old team and such, were still alive and probably looked up to, so they would have been believed if they said Hashirama > Hiruzen (since they witnessed both primes). But who was called the strongest Hokage by all of these men and women from both of the Kages' prime eras?
2. My theory - These men, who saw both of their primes (as proven above), considered Hiruzen to be the stronger Hokage. They gave Hiruzen the nickname "The God of Shinobi" and others, representing him as being the strongest Hokage. But they still told people of Hashirama's power (who might have had more raw power), but some didn't believe them, because they didn't believe someone could use Mokuton, and use it on such a large scale. So some considered Hashirama a myth. The myth aspect is due to some not believing that someone could actually create wood, and on such a large scale.
His argument against this: He thinks that because we don't know when Hashirama died (though he looked the same as an Edo), my theory can't prove anything. But in reality, it doesn't matter, because Hiruzen reached his prime about 25 years after Hashirama was still alive, regardless of when Hashirama died.
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There's people who lived through both Hashirama AND Hiruzen's primes. Yet who was called the strongest Hokage, "The God of Shinobi," and "The Professor?" Those people wouldn't just go like "oh yeah what we saw of Hashirama wasn't real; it was just a myth!!! Hiruzen is our second choice then!!" The fact is, those people who witnessed both of their eras considered Hiruzen better.
1. Here's a copy paste from one of my other posts:
"And yes, people from Hashirama's prime witnessed Hiruzen's prime. Say there was a 20 year old guy living through Hashirama's prime. Hashirama died not too long after his fight with Madara (5 years at max), because Tobirama looked the exact same as Hokage. And Tobirama stayed the same looks-wise when Hiruzen became Hokage. I'll be generous and say there was a 15 year time gap in Hashirama's death (at a young age) and Hiruzen becoming Hokage. 10 years later, Hiruzen probably reached his prime. That'd make the 20 year olds from Hashirama's era around 45-50. So I see no reason for them to have witnessed Hiruzen's prime. Hell, add in another 10 years and they'd still be able to witness his prime. Forget it, add another 10 years on top of that and they'd still witness it. And who was called "The God of Shinobi" or "The Professor" by them?"
2. Possible explanation for Hashirama being considered a myth:
And did you guys ever consider that Hashirama's power was possibly called a myth because he was the only user of Mokuton? Or maybe myth meant that Hashirama's techs were on a much larger scale, size-wise. That doesn't mean anything in being the best Hokage. Being a myth doesn't automatically make you above everyone else.
3. And here's a little more proof, regarding Orochimaru and his Edos, for those yet-remaining skeptics:
Orochimaru PERFECTED Edo Tensei, meaning that he had prime Hashirama as one of his pawns. It just didn't seem like it because Part 2 power scaling > Part 1 power scaling (Tobirama's basic Suiton was considered Kage level). Anyways, Orochimaru still considered Hiruzen as the strongest Hokage, and "The God of Shinobi." Did you notice that he was only taunting Hiruzen's old age, not his actual ability compared to Hashirama and Tobirama? And note that Orochimaru despised Hiruzen, yet still complemented him as someone who used to be the strongest Hokage.
So in conclusion, people who saw both of their primes still considered Hiruzen the best Hokage. Case closed.
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Part 2
A copy paste from one of my threads, with additional proof:
So there's this butthurt Hashirama fanboy who thinks that either:
1. No one who saw Hashirama's prime saw Hiruzen's too (which I'll debunk later).
2. That not a single damn person in the entire Konoha believed people talking about Hashirama's prime (which I'll debunk later on too).
I'll be getting into the background, and then the two theories.
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Here's an image of when Tobirama and Hashirama (arguably in his prime) were still alive, with a young Hiruzen:
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From the looks of it, Hiruzen became Hokage at most 15 years AFTER this image was taken, meaning that Hashirama died not too long after this, so he reached his prime not too much after, or was already in his prime. Here's an image of Hiruzen when he became Hokage, showing only about a 10-15 year age difference.
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Now there obviously was a lot of 20 year olds living during the first photo, don't you think? If Hiruzen reached his prime around 25 years later after the first photo (10 years after becoming Hokage), those same people would be 45. Hell, the 15 year olds from Hashirama's prime would be 40. So many people witnessed both Hashirama's and Hiruzen's prime. That's enough with the background information.
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Now here's where both of our theories split paths, seeing that these men obviously witnessed both of their primes:
1. The Hashirama fan's theory - Every single 40-60(+) year old that saw both of their primes (which they obviously did, as proven above) tried convincing every single person in Konoha that Hashirama > Hiruzen, yet not a single person believed them. OR he says that no one from Hashirama's prime witnessed Hiruzen's (which has been debunked above).
My argument against this: Tell me, people of NB, do you think every 40 year old in our society is some geezer with Alzheimers or something? Besides, many members from Hiruzen's old team and such, were still alive and probably looked up to, so they would have been believed if they said Hashirama > Hiruzen (since they witnessed both primes). But who was called the strongest Hokage by all of these men and women from both of the Kages' prime eras?
2. My theory - These men, who saw both of their primes (as proven above), considered Hiruzen to be the stronger Hokage. They gave Hiruzen the nickname "The God of Shinobi" and others, representing him as being the strongest Hokage. But they still told people of Hashirama's power (who might have had more raw power), but some didn't believe them, because they didn't believe someone could use Mokuton, and use it on such a large scale. So some considered Hashirama a myth. The myth aspect is due to some not believing that someone could actually create wood, and on such a large scale.
His argument against this: He thinks that because we don't know when Hashirama died (though he looked the same as an Edo), my theory can't prove anything. But in reality, it doesn't matter, because Hiruzen reached his prime about 25 years after Hashirama was still alive, regardless of when Hashirama died.
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