Narutobase Mythbuster

[Itachi Namikaze]

Alright guys here I am again in my third installment of debunking some common Naruto misconceptions floating around the base.

I will include my old ones (at least for my second installment, I can't seem to find my first one)

Myth#1 - Madara got the rinnegan during his fight with Hashirama.
Truth- I see this one all the time and it is 100% not true. I can prove it logically as well. Hashirama was the first Hokage no? And he died shortly after the founding of Konoha. Well we saw Onoki in a flashback talking to the first Tsuchikage as a child. We later see another flashback where he is fighting Madara as a teen/young adult. Guess what? That would not have happened if Madara had died at the Valley of the End.

Myth# 2 - Sage Mode gives you unlimited chakra.
Truth - Chakra is made up of 2 parts, the spiritual and physical energy. Senjutsu chakra is made up of 3 parts, the first 2 (spiritual and physical) combined with natural energy. As they must be in equal parts to work, that means that each constitutes 1/3rd of the total chakra in sage mode.

So instead of using the total chakra, you have 1/3rd more chakra than normal. So in essence you could fight for longer, but considering that all sage mode moves are usually large and chakra consuming, it kind of evens out, but that last part is just my opinion, the rest is just logical fact. You use 2/3rds the chakra that you normally would.

Myth#3 - Water is weak to lightning.
Truth - Water is weak to earth. Earth is weak to lightning. The only reason suigetsu was hurt by Darui's attack was because he is literally made of water and couldn't reform after Darui put a sword through him.


Myth #4 - Raiton armor makes both of the raikages immune to genjutsu.
Truth - raiton armor is electricity. It is no longer chakra in the sense that it is part of his chakra network and flows along his chakra pathway.

It quite literally cannot dispel genjutsu. In fact it makes it harder for genjutsu to be dispelled, because genjutsu can be broken only a few ways. Either a counter genjutsu (which must be done inside the genjutsu), disrupting your own chakra, or pain that is not caused by the genjutsu.

As the raiton armor for at least the third raikage literally prevents most things from touching him no one would be able to cause him pain to disrupt genjutsu. And as I pointed out earlier, lightning =/= chakra. Augmenting your speed and strength through lightning is not the same thing as disrupting your chakra and it never will be.


Myth #5 - Kage bunshins and bunshins are the same thing.
Truth - they are two separate jutsus. One is the final test to become a genin, the other is a jounin rank jutsu that divides the users chakra evenly between the clones and the original.

Bunshins are just illusions and cannot fight for you. At best they can distract or intimidate people.

Kage bunshins are what Naruto does, however they don't have to be shadow clones, they can be made of water, lighting, earth, wood, etc. Itachi even demonstrated the use of a crow clone.

Myth #6 - Guy and Lee are faster than Naruto and A.
Truth - By the rules set down by Kishi, it is impossible for them to be going as fast as A and Naruto.

If need be I will explain why, though I don't think I should need to.

Myth #7 - Gentle fist comes from the Byakugan.
Truth - It is a jutsu that is usable by anyone. The Hyuga just have an advantage because of they can see chakra and have x-ray vision.

Things like the Hyuga's kaiten and gentle fist are just jutsus, anyone can do them with practice. The only thing that they can't replicate is having the Byakugan.

Myth #8 - Hanzo can beat the 3 Sannin at the same time.
Truth - The Sannin were teenagers when they fought Hanzo that were nowhere near their prime. It also was full scale battle with allies for both sides. The name came just because they were the only survivors on their side, and Hanzo was the only survivor on his.


Myth #9 - You don't need Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to have Susanoo
Truth - Yes you do. Databook says it. That is all.


I'll add more, and hopefully alot of people view this thread to get a few things straight, but there you go for now. Feel free to disagree, but state why with logic and facts.

 

[Billy]

You deserve your own Itachi Namikaze the Mythbuster graphic after this xd
Its all looks spot on to me

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

You deserve your own Itachi Namikaze the Mythbuster graphic after this xd
Its all looks spot on to me

Thanks man! That would be pretty cool

Do you have any ideas for other myths that have been going around the base lately? I'm trying to cover all the major ones.

 

[Billy]

Not any that i can think of atm. You should've "trolled up" the thread name a little tho, thats pretty much the only way to get views on NB

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Not any that i can think of atm. You should've "trolled up" the thread name a little tho, thats pretty much the only way to get views on NB

Yeah I know, I always try and make cool or clever titles and it never gets me any views. One time though I made a thread called Itachi vs. Minato just to get views, even though it wasn't remotely related to that.

 

[Naruto Uzumaki Bijuu Sage]

Nice! + rep bro

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Nice! + rep bro

Thank you, that means alot coming from you. Here is a +rep in return.

 

[arney1432]

Can you explain Myth 1 and 3 bit more?

 

[Wukong]

Shadow clone is also considered a Kinjutsu, Hanzo was fighting the tree before Jman gained Sage mode and Oro was not corrupt yet... well he was but wasn't.

+rep Mythbusting the Base.

During the Second Shinobi World War, Hanzō fought some of Konoha's forces, with Jiraiya, Tsunade, and Orochimaru being the only ones to survive. As a reward to them for this accomplishment, he named them Konoha's Sannin and told them to refer to themselves as such in exchange for letting them live. He also engaged into battle with Chiyo numerous times, allowing her to create an antidote to his salamander's poison.

 

[Holy Cross]

awesome +rep

 

[izinagi54]

nice

 

[Gatsuuga]

All of it is fine in my books, +'rep

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Can you explain Myth 1 and 3 bit more?

It was stated in the manga that Konoha was the first village ever created. Hashirama was the first Hokage. He died shortly after the founding of Konoha in a random battle. We saw Onoki as a young child talking to the first Tsuchikage. He even referenced the Hokage Faces on the mountain, which means that enough time had passed for that to be created with Hashirama and Tobirama's faces.

Later we see Onoki probably about a decade later, and he and Mu are faced off against Madara. By the very fact that it was after the founding of the villages and Onoki is that much older, it means that Madara did not die at the Valley of the End.

Which means that he didn't awaken the rinnegan in that fight.


As for #3, it is the elemental weaknesses.

Wind>Lightning
Lightning>Earth
Earth>Water
Water>Fire
Fire>Wind

It is a cycle.

 

[Migualon J.J.]

to Myth 5, i think everyone knows that Bunshins and Kage Bunshins are different, but you are wrong about one thing, Kage Bunshin = Shadow Clone, if it would be Water Clone, than it's Mizu (i think Mizu) Bunshin. so Kage Bunshins are only those that Naruto, Kakashi and Ebisu can use.

and i still am not so sure about Myth 4, as your chakra is STILL on so it is harder for Genjutsu to disrupt it (that's my point of view at least) i am not saying they are immune to it, i am just saying it isn't so easy for Genjutsu user to put them under one

and to Myth 7, i am most certain only Byakugan users can use Gentle Fist, as NOTHING other than Byakugan is able to see Chakra Points (if memory serves right at least xd), but you're right, Gentle Fist doesn't come with Byakugan


still rep for you man

It was stated in the manga that Konoha was the first village ever created. Hashirama was the first Hokage. He died shortly after the founding of Konoha in a random battle. We saw Onoki as a young child talking to the first Tsuchikage. He even referenced the Hokage Faces on the mountain, which means that enough time had passed for that to be created with Hashirama and Tobirama's faces.

Later we see Onoki probably about a decade later, and he and Mu are faced off against Madara. By the very fact that it was after the founding of the villages and Onoki is that much older, it means that Madara did not die at the Valley of the End.

Which means that he didn't awaken the rinnegan in that fight.


As for #3, it is the elemental weaknesses.

Wind>Lightning
Lightning>Earth
Earth>Water
Water>Fire
Fire>Wind

It is a cycle.

at that time Hashirama was still alive, as Onoki said something like "Hashirama-dono said..." so Hashirama was still alive

but you're still right, Kabuto said it completely, "I am correct you didn't die in the battle with Shodai Hokage, right?" and Madara said "Yes" and later he (Madara) said about Rinnegan "I awakened these eyes before soon i died"

 

[arney1432]

It was stated in the manga that Konoha was the first village ever created. Hashirama was the first Hokage. He died shortly after the founding of Konoha in a random battle. We saw Onoki as a young child talking to the first Tsuchikage. He even referenced the Hokage Faces on the mountain, which means that enough time had passed for that to be created with Hashirama and Tobirama's faces.

Later we see Onoki probably about a decade later, and he and Mu are faced off against Madara. By the very fact that it was after the founding of the villages and Onoki is that much older, it means that Madara did not die at the Valley of the End.

Which means that he didn't awaken the rinnegan in that fight.


As for #3, it is the elemental weaknesses.

Wind>Lightning
Lightning>Earth
Earth>Water
Water>Fire
Fire>Wind

It is a cycle.

Ahh ok but I'm still confused with Myth 1 are you saying that after Madara fought Hashirama he fought Onoki?

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

to Myth 5, i think everyone knows that Bunshins and Kage Bunshins are different, but you are wrong about one thing, Kage Bunshin = Shadow Clone, if it would be Water Clone, than it's Mizu (i think Mizu) Bunshin. so Kage Bunshins are only those that Naruto, Kakashi and Ebisu can use.

and i still am not so sure about Myth 4, as your chakra is STILL on so it is harder for Genjutsu to disrupt it (that's my point of view at least) i am not saying they are immune to it, i am just saying it isn't so easy for Genjutsu user to put them under one

and to Myth 7, i am most certain only Byakugan users can use Gentle Fist, as NOTHING other than Byakugan is able to see Chakra Points (if memory serves right at least xd), but you're right, Gentle Fist doesn't come with Byakugan


still rep for you man




at that time Hashirama was still alive, as Onoki said something like "Hashirama-dono said..." so Hashirama was still alive

but you're still right, Kabuto said it completely, "I am correct you didn't die in the battle with Shodai Hokage, right?" and Madara said "Yes" and later he (Madara) said about Rinnegan "I awakened these eyes before soon i died"

To the bolded part I meant that anyone can put chakra on their hands and strike opponents. Kabuto did it to Tsunade in their fight in Part 1 if you remember. It is just that the Hyuga can see what they are doing. Kabuto is a med nin so he knows where stuff is, but Tsunade was protected by "her fat boobs", her words, not mine.


As for the first one, I assumed Hashirama was very dead by that time. Onoki could have been referencing a treaty Hashirama made in the past. He aged quite a few years and the databook would have to be lying for him to have still been alive.

 

[Migualon J.J.]

Ahh ok but I'm still confused with Myth 1 are you saying that after Madara fought Hashirama he fought Onoki?

it wasn't fight, they were just discussing something, well, i am certain Madara wanted to kill Onoki xd

To the bolded part I meant that anyone can put chakra on their hands and strike opponents. Kabuto did it to Tsunade in their fight in Part 1 if you remember. It is just that the Hyuga can see what they are doing. Kabuto is a med nin so he knows where stuff is, but Tsunade was protected by "her fat boobs", her words, not mine.


As for the first one, I assumed Hashirama was very dead by that time. Onoki could have been referencing a treaty Hashirama made in the past. He aged quite a few years and the databook would have to be lying for him to have still been alive.

Kabuto is best medic we have EVER seen (Tsunade's words were something like: "He's even better than i was at my prime")

to that thing with Hashirama, i really doubt that Onoki and Muu wouldn't tell everyone about Madara being alive at that time

and Madara looked really young as well

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Shadow clone is also considered a Kinjutsu, Hanzo was fighting the tree before Jman gained Sage mode and Oro was not corrupt yet... well he was but wasn't.

+rep Mythbusting the Base.

During the Second Shinobi World War, Hanzō fought some of Konoha's forces, with Jiraiya, Tsunade, and Orochimaru being the only ones to survive. As a reward to them for this accomplishment, he named them Konoha's Sannin and told them to refer to themselves as such in exchange for letting them live. He also engaged into battle with Chiyo numerous times, allowing her to create an antidote to his salamander's poison.

Multi shadow clone jutsu is a kinjutsu because of the rate the user can lose chakra. Shadow clone jutsu, which is technically just making one clone, is not.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

To the bolded part I meant that anyone can put chakra on their hands and strike opponents. Kabuto did it to Tsunade in their fight in Part 1 if you remember. It is just that the Hyuga can see what they are doing. Kabuto is a med nin so he knows where stuff is, but Tsunade was protected by "her fat boobs", her words, not mine.


As for the first one, I assumed Hashirama was very dead by that time. Onoki could have been referencing a treaty Hashirama made in the past. He aged quite a few years and the databook would have to be lying for him to have still been alive.

Gentle fist is using burst of chakra targeting chakra points, which are closely entwined with organs. Kabuto was using chakra scaple, which made a small, fine blade with his chakra that is used in surgical situations. He used it to cut arteries and veins because he had an excellent knowledge of the human body. There is a difference.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

it wasn't fight, they were just discussing something, well, i am certain Madara wanted to kill Onoki xd



Kabuto is best medic we have EVER seen (Tsunade's words were something like: "He's even better than i was at my prime")

to that thing with Hashirama, i really doubt that Onoki and Muu wouldn't tell everyone about Madara being alive at that time

and Madara looked really young as well

Hashirama still could be alive, but it still negates the idea of him dying at the Valley of the End, since Konoha was the first, and Onoki was obviously years older.

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There are some pages in the spoiler if you want to check ages of Onoki.

Hashirama might still be alive but he references the Konoha Hokage faces, and Hashirama didn't live that long after Konoha was founded.


As to the Kabuto thing, yes he is probably the greatest medic nin in the series, but my entire point was that some people thought that all their jutsus came from the Byakugan, which isn't true, anyone can do any of those jutsus, the Hyuga just use them more effectively because they can actually see things more clearly.