Nagato & Itachi vs. Hashirama & Hiruzen

[TheSages456]

How will he know when he is getting amaterasu'd and now ur saying his clone is stronger the nagato and/or itachi?

i never said his clones are stronger than nagato or itachi. there you go making up random nonsense again. i said they could back hashirama up as in give him assistance. cover his blind spots. aid him in combat like clones are supposed to do. when the flames are on him, hashirama would push them off by sprouting wood from his body.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Or we can do this nagato uses chibaku tensei while hasi is trying to tank it he gets slashed don't say clones cuz itachi has clones too and they explode. Or tell me how he escapes tsukyomi, next how will He counter nagtos sealing tech (phantom dragon)

 

[TheSages456]

Or we can do this nagato uses chibaku tensei while hasi is trying to tank it he gets slashed don't say clones cuz itachi has clones too and they explode. Or tell me how he escapes tsukyomi, next how will He counter nagtos sealing tech (phantom dragon)

hashirama would just grow a forest out of the rocks in chibaku tensei to pull it apart from the inside. why would he tank it? itachis exploding clones arent very damaging and will be healed from easily. hashirama avoided uchiha genjutsu all his life. genjutsu is a nonfactor in this match. nagatos sealing tech is countered by this:

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the wood wall serves as an easy gaurd against the dragon.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

hashirama would just grow a forest out of the rocks in chibaku tensei to pull it apart from the inside. why would he tank it? itachis exploding clones arent very damaging and will be healed from easily. hashirama avoided uchiha genjutsu all his life. genjutsu is a nonfactor in this match. nagatos sealing tech is countered by this:

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the wood wall serves as an easy gaurd against the dragon.

that is too weak to stop the dragon

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look at the impact left by the dragon at the end of the fight

again while he is tryin to block this what stops itachi from sealing him his clones are not enough to hold itachi

 

[TheSages456]

that is too weak to stop the dragon

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look at the impact left by the dragon at the end of the fight

again while he is tryin to block this what stops itachi from sealing him his clones are not enough to hold itachi

1. your link doesnt work
2. whats preventing the clones from restraining susano with mokuton.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

1. your link doesnt work
2. whats preventing the clones from restraining susano with mokuton.

lol like he can't slice the clones or burn them ? also itachi has clones too

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skip to around 4:47

 

[iMicLykTyson]

if you still says the clones can restrisct susano, plz watch hydra orochimaro vs itachi the snakes tried to restrict him but he sliced them

 

[TheSages456]

lol like he can't slice the clones or burn them ? also itachi has clones too

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skip to around 4:47

the dragon destroyed the ground that hanzo was standing on. thats still getting blocked by a wood wall. alot of shinobis attacks can do the exact same thing. hashirama can just take out gedo mazo itself to stop the dragons. hashiramas clones can restrain gedo mazo and crush it. you do realize that mokuton would restrain susanos arms so it wouldnt slash anything. itachi can use 1 clone at a time. he doesnt know the multishadow clone technique. itachis clones arent as durable as hashiramas mokuton clones. itachi cant spam clones like hashirama as itachi doesnt have as nearly as much chakra as him.

 

[spokentruth]

Of course He was the strongest in his Prime Ninja like Minato Itachi Nagato wasent even born so of course he would be the strongest of his prime Itachi and Nagato Low Diff

 

[partha420]

hashirama and hiruzen my gosh! Look at them!

 

[iMicLykTyson]

the dragon destroyed the ground that hanzo was standing on. thats still getting blocked by a wood wall. alot of shinobis attacks can do the exact same thing. hashirama can just take out gedo mazo itself to stop the dragons. hashiramas clones can restrain gedo mazo and crush it. you do realize that mokuton would restrain susanos arms so it wouldnt slash anything. itachi can use 1 clone at a time. he doesnt know the multishadow clone technique. itachis clones arent as durable as hashiramas mokuton clones. itachi cant spam clones like hashirama as itachi doesnt have as nearly as much chakra as him.

How will he defeat gezo he can restrain it but what stops the dragon from coming out ? Again he can cut he wood unless hashi's wood is uncutable Again hydra oro tried the same thing he still cut the snakes

 

[TheSages456]

How will he defeat gezo he can restrain it but what stops the dragon from coming out ? Again he can cut he wood unless hashi's wood is uncutable Again hydra oro tried the same thing he still cut the snakes

the dragon comes out of its mouth so if gedo mazo is defeated and restrained the dragon tech will end. hashirama can make mokuton come from under susano to pull him out and make him inhale the pollen from he flower tree world. as long as itachi and his susano is on the ground mokuton can keep coming from all around them. mokuton would restrain susanos arms and body. itachi then gets pulled out and inhales pollen from the flower tree world.

 

[ChrisWolf]

Location: Where naruto is fighting Tobi

Conditions are:
Everyone is in their Prime
Itachi has EMS..
Nagato is not sick


SO YOU HAVE THE 2 STROGEST EYES VS. THE 2 MOST POWERFUL SHINOBI EVER..

who wins..

Hashirama beat madara who unlocked renegan before his death and had ems so he could handle Nagato, hiruzen in prime would be a good match for itachi but whether he won or lost he would definitely tired him down injure him and exhaust enough of his chakra to where hashirama who is experienced fighting sharingan users can easily finish him, although it is possible if hiruzen fought Nagato and lost quickly enough then he could double team hashi with itachi and win but he would have to kill hiruzen pretty fast before hashirama finished itachi....so the strongest shinobi team wins

 

[Blaze Release]

Lol at the person who said hashirama solo's, clearly common sense isnt so common.
Anyway i hate these type of threads because for team 2 the only real thing you can go by is hype and nothing more and that isnt enough of a solid argument

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

hashiramas clones can restrain gedo mazo and crush it.

even two giant mountains slamming together didnt even make gedo flinch. hashirama stands no chance against its huge chakra roar which will make him shrug off trees.

Hashirama beat madara who unlocked renegan before his death

which was many many years after their fight. and we dont know what happened. so dont use "he beat madara" as proof

you do realize that mokuton would restrain susanos arms so it wouldnt slash anything

and if itachi simply cuts the mokuton before it tries like with hydra oro?

itachi then gets pulled out

and reactivates susano. simple. pollen does not take effect that quickly.

hashirama would just grow a forest out of the rocks in chibaku tensei to pull it apart from the inside

how does he get the forest in there in the first place? and wouldnt it just be sucked back in? he doesnt have an attack that can destroy CT

hashirama avoided uchiha genjutsu all his life.

never an uchiha who uses finger genjutsu

the wood wall serves as an easy gaurd against the dragon.

and leaves him open to anything else

hashirama sprouts wood from his body to push the flames off him

then itachi makes more and more. or stabs him with totsuka

are you forgetting that the first can use mokuton clones? he can use thm to multitask

are you forgetting only madara can make multiple clones, not hashirama?

gedo mazo is tobis weapon, not nagatos

it was originally nagatos weapon like samehadas originally kisames

hashirama avoided uchiha genjutsu all his life. nothing changes here.

izanami ignores any genjutsu defences

all he does is grow spikes out of his body when he gets close to nagato

who proceeds to absorb it casually

itachi will be fodderizzed. hashirama took out madara with kyuubi who

itachis a very different opponent to madara with different strengths and weaknesses

who greatly outclasses itachi in every way possible.

based on?

hashiramas mokuton forest is far bigger than madaras meteor that is bigger than chibaku tensei.

thats the beauty of CT. it gets bigger the longer its there

preta path cant absorb all ninjutsu

its stated as capable of absorbing any chakra technique, and absorbs shinobi themselves if touching them

thats like saying it could absorb onokis rock fist.

it absorbed bees chakra cloak, jiraiyas deep fryer oil, jinton etc

Nagato </= Hiruzen (because he was the strongest shinobi to ever live in his prime)

based on what feats? and if hes that strong how come no one wants his DNA and how come Dan thought only shodai can defeat madara? ive literally seen NO ONE in part 2 talk about hiruzens power like they talk about hashirama and minatos.

becuase he was the strongest shinobi of his time and bested madara and kuruma at once)

supressing a bijuu isnt really defeating it.

shinra tensei is tanked by a bunch of mokuton clones(who are much more durable than shadow clones btw) or is healed

shinra tense is for repelling jutsus not killing people

mokuton isnt going to be absorbed by preta path

why the hell not?

. animal path summons are restrained and killed by mokuton

suicidal idea vs cerberus

hashirama can make wood clones

show me proof he can make more than one

im serious. hashirama is on a completely different level of power than both itachi and nagato. kabuto said that no shinobi from the current era could match hashiramas level of power

you ignored what he said next "everyone agrees on that". he was speaking about others opinions, not his own. obviously theres a current shinobi who kabuto with al his power, is afraid of, and thats tobi.

nagato and itachi were included in that statement.

but not an example of how the fight would go. its not like dbz where if you say someones stronger, that is undeniable fact. anything could happen in a ninja battle

hashirama already has a lot of experience fighting the sharingan. he fought the strongest uchiha in history someone itachi said he was easily outclassed by.

chiyo does too. and she said "if its 1 vs 1, run" lol. hashirama hasnt fought an uchiha like itachi who fights to end things as quickly as possible

susano gets restrained by the mokuton thats stronger than 100% kurama

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its not stronger just because it suppresses bijuu chakra.

 

[TheSages456]

even two giant mountains slamming together didnt even make gedo flinch. hashirama stands no chance against its huge chakra roar which will make him shrug off trees.

they were not mountain, just big slabs of earth. gedo mazo isnt stronger than 100% kurama so i dont see what your getting at here.

which was many many years after their fight. and we dont know what happened. so dont use "he beat madara" as proof

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and if itachi simply cuts the mokuton before it tries like with hydra oro?

unlike the hydra snakes hashirama could make mokuton spawn right around susano. mokuton wont have to travel to it.

and reactivates susano. simple. pollen does not take effect that quickly.

it knocked the 5 kages out the moment they were in range

how does he get the forest in there in the first place? and wouldnt it just be sucked back in? he doesnt have an attack that can destroy CT

he grows trees from the rocks inside chibaku tensei. he would push it apart from the inside. you can obviously fight against its force.

never an uchiha who uses finger genjutsu

because it worked so well against nagato and naruto right? itachi isnt taking out god tier characters with that

and leaves him open to anything else

hashirama can make a wood wall all around himself. there would be no blindspots

then itachi makes more and more. or stabs him with totsuka

then hashirama would sprout an entire tree out his arm to block itachis vision and redirect totsuka.

are you forgetting only madara can make multiple clones, not hashirama?

where was it stated that hashirama couldnt use multi mokuton bunshins?

it was originally nagatos weapon like samehadas originally kisames

well nagato doesnt have it anymore

izanami ignores any genjutsu defences

do you even know how izanami works? its not working on hashirama.

who proceeds to absorb it casually

if it couldnt absorb narutos shadow clone then its not absorbing mokuton. rinnegan absorbs certain types of ninjutsu as stated by madara.

itachis a very different opponent to madara with different strengths and weaknesses

itachi uses the same techs as madara but in a different way. ever since itachi became edo though he is a ms spammer like sasuke.

based on?

based on madara being called the strongest uchiha in history.

thats the beauty of CT. it gets bigger the longer its there

there is a maximum size that it can attain. it doesnt get bigger forever. madaras meteor is bigger than CT and hashiramas mokuton forest easily dwarfs it in size.

its stated as capable of absorbing any chakra technique, and absorbs shinobi themselves if touching them

thats funny as madara told onoki that this type of ninjutsu doesnt work against the rinnegan when he absorbed onokis jinton.

it absorbed bees chakra cloak, jiraiyas deep fryer oil, jinton etc

it still cant absorb mokuton so those are moot points.

based on what feats? and if hes that strong how come no one wants his DNA and how come Dan thought only shodai can defeat madara? ive literally seen NO ONE in part 2 talk about hiruzens power like they talk about hashirama and minatos.

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supressing a bijuu isnt really defeating it.

its the only way to beat a bijuu. you cant kill them so you can only suppress and seal them.

shinra tense is for repelling jutsus not killing people

why the hell not?

mokuton isnt getting absorbed. i guess onokis rock golem can get absorbed also.

suicidal idea vs cerberus

it gets restrained by mokuton. it cant break it unless your saying
cerebrus> a bijuu. hashirama doesnt have to hit so that means cerebrus isnt multiplying.

show me proof he can make more than one

where was it stated that hashirama couldnt make more than 1 wood clone

you ignored what he said next "everyone agrees on that". he was speaking about others opinions, not his own. obviously theres a current shinobi who kabuto with al his power, is afraid of, and thats tobi.

that means that nobody thinks that any shinobi from the current era can compare to hashirama. that just helps my argument.

but not an example of how the fight would go. its not like dbz where if you say someones stronger, that is undeniable fact. anything could happen in a ninja battle

there is a point where a character is so strong that theres nothing you can do. "everything is meaningless in the face of overwhelming power". quoted from nagato

chiyo does too. and she said "if its 1 vs 1, run" lol. hashirama hasnt fought an uchiha like itachi who fights to end things as quickly as possible

hashirama didnt fight itachi but he fought a bloodlusted madara who wanted him dead.

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its not stronger just because it suppresses bijuu chakra.

you have to actually restrain the bijuu first so thats a moot point.

counters in blue.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

the dragon comes out of its mouth so if gedo mazo is defeated and restrained the dragon tech will end. hashirama can make mokuton come from under susano to pull him out and make him inhale the pollen from he flower tree world. as long as itachi and his susano is on the ground mokuton can keep coming from all around them. mokuton would restrain susanos arms and body. itachi then gets pulled out and inhales pollen from the flower tree world.

again ur using the word defeat what do u mean by defeat do you mean kill it or restrain it

 

[TheSages456]

again ur using the word defeat what do u mean by defeat do you mean kill it or restrain it

i mean restrain it. if its restrained then it cant use any techniques. from there hashirama can suppress the chakra inside it.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

i mean restrain it. if its restrained then it cant use any techniques. from there hashirama can suppress the chakra inside it.

he is restraining it with wood and don;t forget he is open to attck from itachi . Once again clones cannot hold itachi

 

[Blunt]

Nagato and Itachi MS and rinnegan vs hashirama.. and hiruzen.
It seems pretty obvious.. What exactly does Hiruzen and Hashi have to counter CT, sword of totsuka etc.. Nagato and itachi take this.