Nagato & Itachi vs. Hashirama & Hiruzen

[MickNerks]

I see where this is going.. It seems that Nagato and Itachi is an unbeatable duo together.... But as i see it

Itachi < hiruzen (prime)
Itachi < Hashirama (prime)

we can assume from manga's history:
Nagato </= Hiruzen (because he was the strongest shinobi to ever live in his prime)
Nagato >/= Hashirama (becuase he was the strongest shinobi of his time and bested madara and kuruma at once)

 

[TheSages456]

For one, A>B>C doesn't mean A>C in NarutoVerse, it's all about match-ups.

Secondly, he has fought Uchiha, he has not fought Itachi. Itachi doesn't fight like any other Uchiha, and from what we've seen Madara hasn't even used genjutsu.

Secondly, Sharingan is one thing, Rinnegan a completely different story.

Kabuto's words are not gospel, he never saw healthy Nagato fight, or even Itachi, and when he used Nagato as an Edo he couldn't even use him properly.

There is 0 chance of Hashirama solo'ing both of these Shinobi.

Still to see a legitimate argument for Hokages

madara has used genjutsu. he used it on a shinobi in the 4th division and he plans to use tsukiyomi on the moon which means that he has tsukiyomi. kabuto knows all of nagatos abilities. he just didnt use them well.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Madara does use genjutsu. He was known for his genjutsu use via oniko.
But i agree That nagato will beat him.

tsukyomi i all i have to say and possibly izanami xd

 

[iMicLykTyson]

shinra tensei is tanked by a bunch of mokuton clones(who are much more durable than shadow clones btw) or is healed. mokuton isnt going to be absorbed by preta path. in close range hashirama can use wood style: great forest tehnique to grow wood from his body to counter human path and asura path. animal path summons are restrained and killed by mokuton. hashirama can make wood clones to do this while he focuses on nagato and itachi. the reviving path is useless unless nagato is going to revive itachi after he gets fodderized. hashiramas mokuton dwarfed madaras meteor in size which is bigger than chibaku tensei. hashirama can make a forest inside chibaku tensei to pull it apart from the inside.

1st bold - WTH
2nd bold - so mokuton isn't ninjutsu? :flaw:

I'm done

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

madara has used genjutsu. he used it on a shinobi in the 4th division and he plans to use tsukiyomi on the moon which means that he has tsukiyomi. kabuto knows all of nagatos abilities. he just didnt use them well.

No, Kabuto never saw Nagato or Itachi fight healthy, so him saying Hashirama is stronger than any current shinobi isn't accurate

That was what I was saying, since your whole argument was what Kabuto said

the reviving path is useless unless nagato is going to revive itachi after he gets fodderized. hashiramas mokuton dwarfed madaras meteor in size which is bigger than chibaku tensei. hashirama can make a forest inside chibaku tensei to pull it apart from the inside

So, reviving path isn't useless at all. Itachi will never be fodderized, not even close. When did Hashirama's mokuton dwarf Madara's meteor? Have you seen Chibaku Tensei from a healthy Nagato? The one we saw was from a deathbed Nagato through a Path, making it considerably weaker. As long as he pulls the rocks apart they will keep getting pulled back, along with him. And he'd most likely get crushed, even if he didn't the first time.

 

[TheSages456]

1st bold - WTH
2nd bold - so mokuton isn't ninjutsu? :flaw:

I'm done

narutos base shadow clones tanked shinra tensei but hashiramas mokuton clones who are more durable than shadow clones cant?

preta path cant absorb all ninjutsu or it wouldve absorbed narutos shadow clone. thats like saying it could absorb onokis rock fist.

 

[TheSages456]

No, Kabuto never saw Nagato or Itachi fight healthy, so him saying Hashirama is stronger than any current shinobi isn't accurate

That was what I was saying, since your whole argument was what Kabuto said

thats not my argument. i compared their abilities and hashirama is stronger.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

thats not my argument. i compared their abilities and hashirama is stronger.

if your arguement is still about hirashima soloing your wrong, he won a fight against MS drenched in blood how about Ms and rennigan please stop the hype he doesn't solo both

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

thats not my argument. i compared their abilities and hashirama is stronger.

What I saw was you spout a load of useless so called feats that have no backing evidence and also no logic. You didn't compare anything you simply said how Hashirama was great and would counter some moves, when I say some I mean 1 / 2.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

explain how he counter gezo mazo( or however you say it)
how will he withstand the gravitational pull ?
how will he keep from getting sealed (gezo mazo and totsuka) how will he handle itachi's genjutsu (tsukyomi/izanami) face it he can't solo stop hyping

 

[Berserker]

Team 1 mid difficulty. NAgato > Hashirama and Hiruzen. Itachi could give any of them of these guys high difficulty. Nagato + ITachi > H and H hokages

 

[TheSages456]

No, Kabuto never saw Nagato or Itachi fight healthy, so him saying Hashirama is stronger than any current shinobi isn't accurate

That was what I was saying, since your whole argument was what Kabuto said



So, reviving path isn't useless at all. Itachi will never be fodderized, not even close. When did Hashirama's mokuton dwarf Madara's meteor? Have you seen Chibaku Tensei from a healthy Nagato? The one we saw was from a deathbed Nagato through a Path, making it considerably weaker. As long as he pulls the rocks apart they will keep getting pulled back, along with him. And he'd most likely get crushed, even if he didn't the first time.

itachi will be fodderizzed. hashirama took out madara with kyuubi who greatly outclasses itachi in every way possible. that is irrefutable. hashiramas mokuton forest is far bigger than madaras meteor that is bigger than chibaku tensei.

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What I saw was you spout a load of useless so called feats that have no backing evidence and also no logic. You didn't compare anything you simply said how Hashirama was great and would counter some moves, when I say some I mean 1 / 2.

hashirama can counter all of itachis abilities and i just gave ways that he could counter nagatos abilities.

 

[TheSages456]

explain how he counter gezo mazo( or however you say it)
how will he withstand the gravitational pull ?
how will he keep from getting sealed (gezo mazo and totsuka) how will he handle itachi's genjutsu (tsukyomi/izanami) face it he can't solo stop hyping

gedo mazo is tobis weapon, not nagatos. it would get restrained by mokuton anyway.

to counter bansho tenin, when nagato pulls in hashirama he would use this:

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all he does is grow spikes out of his body when he gets close to nagato. hashirama could also use mokuton roots to anchor himself to the ground.

susano gets restrained by the mokuton thats stronger than 100% kurama. itachi gets pulled out of susano by mokuton roots that come up from under him then he inhales the pollen from the flower tree world.

izanami isnt working. i dont know why you brought that up. hashirama avoided uchiha genjutsu all his life. nothing changes here.

 

[TiddlySkydiver]

With the 3rd's prime hype, team 2 insane difficulty or draw.

 

[MickNerks]

gedo mazo is tobis weapon, not nagatos. it would get restrained by mokuton anyway.

to counter bansho tenin, when nagato pulls in hashirama he would use this:

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all he does is grow spikes out of his body when he gets close to nagato. hashirama could also use mokuton roots to anchor himself to the ground.

susano gets restrained by the mokuton thats stronger than 100% kurama. itachi gets pulled out of susano by mokuton roots that come up from under him then he inhales the pollen from the flower tree world.

izanami isnt working. i dont know why you brought that up. hashirama avoided uchiha genjutsu all his life. nothing changes here.

hahaha.. +rep

 

[iMicLykTyson]

gedo mazo is tobis weapon, not nagatos. it would get restrained by mokuton anyway.

to counter bansho tenin, when nagato pulls in hashirama he would use this:

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all he does is grow spikes out of his body when he gets close to nagato. hashirama could also use mokuton roots to anchor himself to the ground.

susano gets restrained by the mokuton thats stronger than 100% kurama. itachi gets pulled out of susano by mokuton roots that come up from under him then he inhales the pollen from the flower tree world.

izanami isnt working. i dont know why you brought that up. hashirama avoided uchiha genjutsu all his life. nothing changes here.

Lol while restricting gezo mazo or trying to avoid getting pulled he gets amaterasu'd don't forget they're. Fighting him at the same time

 

[TheSages456]

Lol while restricting gezo mazo or trying to avoid getting pulled he gets amaterasu'd don't forget they're. Fighting him at the same time

hashirama sprouts wood from his body to push the flames off him. are you forgetting that the first can use mokuton clones? he can use thm to multitask. he could make 2 or 3 to take out nagatos summons and a few to cover his back.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

hashirama sprouts wood from his body to push the flames off him. are you forgetting that the first can use mokuton clones? he can use thm to multitask. he could make 2 or 3 to take out nagatos summons and a few to cover his back.

How will he know when he is getting amaterasu'd and now ur saying his clone is stronger the nagato and/or itachi?

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Tell what stops hashi from getting amaterasu and itachi also has explosion clones

 

[Ryuu..]

Nagato and Itachi would win with high difficulty, possibly mid diff if certain things are included.