[Discussion] Traditional artist will become extinct

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Agreed Upon.
But lemme tell you one thing....in Art galleries, only our TRADITIONAL work will be displayed and if the demand of Digital will be greater, the price for the Traditional will be Greater. Put them in auction and see how far its price could exceed,...then your family will be happy, safe n sound....
 

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I agree for writing but didn't understood for dancing.

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OT: Anyways, it's part of the Evolution phases. Like Internet, Downloads, Planes, SMS, E-Books, 3D Movies, Online Dating, Online Shopping, The GFX forms ect...

But like all Evolution processes, each of these have disadvantages and advantages. Same for GFX replacing traditional arts. Sure, that makes Traditional artist a dying breed. A sad truth but GFX also has numerous advantages that we shouldn't oversee.

There are 2 facts; worth mentioning on your topic:

1. We, as human, are curious species, that'll keep try to discover new things, change things to evolutionary phases.

2. Given our life span, we're going to see both beautiful and ugly faces of evolution but we'll never see the end of it. Our life will end but evolution won't.

Sure, I deeply regret the upcoming plights of traditional artists, traditional writers, gardeners, postmen ect...

I think it's an eternal topic that: Is Evolution a Bloom or Doom to the World?

Thus, going by personal opinion, I see evolution as a normal thing whereby I try to see the positive out of it cause' afterall optimism is a great quality. :)

It is, and it is the cycle of existence. Just like vinyl and cassette tapes have been replaced by modern tech. like blu-ray and DVD etc. The same will eventually happen to traditional artist like myself, due to the evolution of the modern age.
Agreed Upon.
But lemme tell you one thing....in Art galleries, only our TRADITIONAL work will be displayed and if the demand of Digital will be greater, the price for the Traditional will be Greater. Put them in auction and see how far its price could exceed,...then your family will be happy, safe n sound....

I wish It could be that simple, but we live in what I like to call the "who gives a **** generation" and by this I mean I dont think it would be appreciated enough. I dont really think there would be any demand for it.
 

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basically the point is this

the art we make is the visual impression of our soul when people start using digital tech the soul is removed and you get a "hollow" art work

very well put!
 

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Who needs a bland 2D painting when I can have someone create a 3D environment for me :3
 

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Who needs a bland 2D painting when I can have someone create a 3D environment for me :3

its not bland, its the person very essence in their work that makes art when you start using digital equipment to make it you soon put no effort or soul into said work thus it becomes hollow
 

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Honestly I think you're an idiot.
 

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its not bland, its the person very essence in their work that makes art when you start using digital equipment to make it you soon put no effort or soul into said work thus it becomes hollow

Haha people put just as much effort and soul into digital versions of art. Little narrowminded from someone that understands art.
 

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Haha people put just as much effort and soul into digital versions of art. Little narrowminded from someone that understands art.

:confused: Are you ****ing kidding me!? Traditional art is TWICE as hard as digital media. Your have a damn computer (software/hardware) doing ALL of the work for you. You dont have to be extreamly talented to operate a f***ing computer. THE COMPUTER is drawing it, not you. Your just controling HOW and WHAT you want the computer to draw. So gtfo.

Honestly I think you're an idiot.

And that is because....? If your going to swing around your little insults, at least contribute to the conversation.
 

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Art is art is art. Plain and simple. As a fellow artist, it matters not where the canvas lay but the intentions and dedication it takes to make it bloom. The primary gift us humans were endowed is the gift of adaption. If we ourselves cannot adapt then as artists we have failed. Our art is supposed to move us to new boundaries and venture forth into new horizons. Staying behind only leads to ruin, where very little have been able to stay alive.

Getting mad over something inevitable is futile and not worth wasting precious energy which could be better spent using our gifts of the arts. If they want to squander their gifts on GFX then allow them to do so. They are only pursuing their interests as you yours. Don't hinder OUR progress as we are only doing what pleases us.
 

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:confused: Are you ****ing kidding me!? Traditional art is TWICE as hard as digital media. Your have a damn computer (software/hardware) doing ALL of the work for you. You dont have to be extreamly talented to operate a f***ing computer. THE COMPUTER is drawing it, not you. Your just controling HOW and WHAT you want the computer to draw. So gtfo.



And that is because....? If your going to swing around your little insults, at least contribute to the conversation.

This is why you're an idiot in my opinion. No one goes up to their computer and types in "Draw a field of grass with birds in the sky" and all of a sudden it happens. I think your simply undermining the practicality and aesthetic of digital technique, simply because your talent is becoming more and more useless. You can't say digital art is easier all you can say is that it's faster, If you bring someone who uses digital medium to draw I bet he would have more or less the same skill if you put it into other medium(I'm talking about drawing now not painting). Don't know why you're complaining because you can do traditional art on a digital medium. Have you ever used a digital medium for your art?
 

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Art is art is art. Plain and simple. As a fellow artist, it matters not where the canvas lay but the intentions and dedication it takes to make it bloom. The primary gift us humans were endowed is the gift of adaption. If we ourselves cannot adapt then as artists we have failed. Our art is supposed to move us to new boundaries and venture forth into new horizons. Staying behind only leads to ruin, where very little have been able to stay alive.

Getting mad over something inevitable is futile and not worth wasting precious energy which could be better spent using our gifts of the arts. If they want to squander their gifts on GFX then allow them to do so. They are only pursuing their interests as you yours. Don't hinder OUR progress as we are only doing what pleases us.

I am fully aware of that. I didnt say all, I said the majority (about 85%). A majority of Digital artist do not choose digital media as their canvas because their intentions are pure and honest, they choose it because its easier, quicker, and more versatile than traditional means. They only go by what will look the coolest, or what will be the most popular with the mass of viewers. It is obvious that digital art has won the preference of viewers. And on second note there is no form of art whatsoever. The "artist" isnt drawing,painting, etc, a damn thing. The Computer (sofware/hardware,etc) is doing ALL of the work. You are just simply controlling what you want the computer to do, and how you want it done.



There is a difference between adaptation, and just completely stripping & polluting something. You can only change and manipulate something so much untill you reach the point where it is no longer what it originated as.



I am aware that the extinction of traditional artist (those who want careers as traditional artist) is inevitable, thats the point of me making this thread in the first place.
 

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:confused: Are you ****ing kidding me!? Traditional art is TWICE as hard as digital media. Your have a damn computer (software/hardware) doing ALL of the work for you. You dont have to be extreamly talented to operate a f***ing computer. THE COMPUTER is drawing it, not you. Your just controling HOW and WHAT you want the computer to draw. So gtfo.



And that is because....? If your going to swing around your little insults, at least contribute to the conversation.

Really? In both digital and traditional are you have to:
  • Plan what you are going to draw or have an idea.... vague (what)
  • You have to decide on the colors, style, and format (anime,realistic, 3d, etc) (How)
  • You have to move either a mouse or your hand to paint (Doing)

Sounds like you just want to hold your head up higher than digital artists and try to convince yourself that you are somehow better than them to compensate for a lack of demand in your chosen field.

Also if the computer was able to do all of the work for you then I would be good at art. I suck at it in real life and on the computer... Therefore the computer cannot compensate for lack of skill.
 

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Really? In both digital and traditional are you have to:
  • Plan what you are going to draw or have an idea.... vague (what)
  • You have to decide on the colors, style, and format (anime,realistic, 3d, etc) (How)
  • You have to move either a mouse or your hand to paint (Doing)
Sounds like you just want to hold your head up higher than digital artists and try to convince yourself that you are somehow better than them to compensate for a lack of demand in your chosen field.

Also if the computer was able to do all of the work for you then I would be good at art. I suck at it in real life and on the computer... Therefore the computer cannot compensate for lack of skill.


Well I'll be damned, I did'nt know that.... *sarcasm. -___-. You understand what Im talking about, you just feel like being a smartass. And Im not just talking about myself, Im am talking about thousands and thousands of traditional artist around the world. You ****ing people dont even read post, you just rush through it and comment. And your saying that a computer cant compensate for a lack of skill? Yes the hell it can. All you have to do is become familiar with the software. A damn 6 y.o can learn photoshop and create something that looks professional.
 

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Well I'll be damned, I did'nt know that.... *sarcasm. -___-. You understand what Im talking about, you just feel like being a smartass. And Im not just talking about myself, Im am talking about thousands and thousands of traditional artist around the world. You ****ing people dont even read post, you just rush through it and comment. And your saying that a computer cant compensate for a lack of skill? Yes the hell it can. All you have to do is become familiar with the software. A damn 6 y.o can learn photoshop and create something that looks professional.

I am familiar with the software and use it for my websites. However used to always looks boxy and symmetrical. It looks like a computer auto-generated it. I just recently got into making the boxes rounded which gave things a lighter and more realistic flow. So the best my art gets is a rounded box with a good color border.

The point is even though I know how to use my software I have no F***** idea how to make art with a bunch of non-symmetrical lines and random erratic textures in there for no reason that magically make stuff look better. Despite using the software for years and knowing all of its features I cannot make anything I would consider art because I don't have the eye or creativity for it. I couldn't even make tribal lines if I wanted to <_<;;

Also that 6 year old must have some talent in both art and computers :D
 

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I am familiar with the software and use it for my websites. However used to always looks boxy and symmetrical. It looks like a computer auto-generated it. I just recently got into making the boxes rounded which gave things a lighter and more realistic flow. So the best my art gets is a rounded box with a good color border.

The point is even though I know how to use my software I have no F***** idea how to make art with a bunch of non-symmetrical lines and random erratic textures in there for no reason that magically make stuff look better. Despite using the software for years and knowing all of its features I cannot make anything I would consider art because I don't have the eye or creativity for it. I couldn't even make tribal lines if I wanted to <_<;;

Also that 6 year old must have some talent in both art and computers :D



How many of the following Images below look boxy symmetrical? (Both are digital art)

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The answer is NONE. These were done by digital artist. There are TONS of different types of computer software (Pro-grade photoshop, etc,etc) You can have absolutely NO artistic skill, go purchase a super expensive software, learn how to use it, and boom, you can create something that looks amazing. So Im going to call bullshit on you pretending that all digital art looks boxy & symmetrical.​
 

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How many of the following Images below look boxy symmetrical? (Both are digital art)

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The answer is NONE. These were done by digital artist. There are TONS of different types of computer software (Pro-grade photoshop, etc,etc) You can have absolutely NO artistic skill, go purchase a super expensive software, learn how to use it, and boom, you can create something that looks amazing. So Im going to call bullshit on you pretending that all digital art looks boxy & symmetrical.​

I own photoshop, fireworks, and the whole adobe creative suite. I could make flash animations if I wanted to learn the program. So then tell me this: Why can I not make the kind of stuff you just posted up there now that I have those mystical magical tools?! Mind you I cannot draw a face with pen and pencil without using a ruler to measure the distance from point to point. The same applied to the internet and xy-axis. I make damn good boxes and borders though, after 2 hours of tinkering with it pixel by pixel XD

I want things specific and exact. Art is not like that. I want to create art pixel by pixel and don't like tools like blur. It is therefore impossible for me to create art and just because I have digital tools doesn't mean it can compensate for my lack of skill. I am more of an engineer when it comes to art XD

No I said all of my art looks that way. Learn to read.

also nice pictures :D
 

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Art can be usefull imo :)
 

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Yup, us traditional artist will eventually die off (those of us who want serious careers as traditional artist.)

So how are you working? Trying to make one masterpiece and selling it for a lot or a moderately good painting you are selling at a lower price? A lot of people want calming art at a low price and if you can mass produce it you will get more money.

Then again I am a business major and someone who loves mass production XD So you may not want to do it.
 
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