[Spoilers] Requirement to use Izanami/gi. THE TRUTH.

[Sage of Infinity Paths]

seem reasonable

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

all im saying is that izanagi is a uchiha forbidden technique... whats so hard to understand about that ... your telling me that you need senju dna to perform a uchiha forbidden tech? that makes no sense ...

I never contested that and I never said it wasn't forbidden by the Uchiha. Plus its irrelevant as well.

like the dude that created this thread said tobi most likely needed both because he is neither ... that simple... he said someone why would he say someone if he's a uchiha ? he would just we uchiha need senju dna to obtain the power of the sage ...something like that.

Take this analogy. Lets say I'm a carpenter, and not a mason. What if I said something like:

"this house can only be built by someone who possesses both the skills
of a carpenter and a mason"?​

Does that sound illogical? Does that suddenly mean I'n not a carpenter? Hell no. The same counts for what Tobi said. The point is that there is noway to determine whether Tobi is an Uchiha or not by using that phrase.

The creator of the thread presented his speculations as facts. And that is what I contested.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

I never contested that and I never said it wasn't forbidden by the Uchiha. Plus its irrelevant as well.



Take this analogy. Lets say I'm a carpenter, and not a mason. What if I said something like:

"this house can only be built by someone who possesses both the skills
of a carpenter and a mason"?​

Does that sound illogical? Does that suddenly mean I'n not a carpenter? Hell no. The same counts for what Tobi said. The point is that there is noway to determine whether Tobi is an Uchiha or not by using that phrase.

The creator of the thread presented his speculations as facts. And that is what I contested.

one fact is that you don't need to have senju DNA to use izanagi as we saw in the last chapter, so why would tobi say that ... 1) he said it to conan who is none of those and has no information on that technique. and two i feel as if its a hint to who tobi really is. i feel as if he is not a uchiha ,for one he always has his sharingan active but not covered since he has senju DNA.

 

[Himura Kenshin]

I never contested that and I never said it wasn't forbidden by the Uchiha. Plus its irrelevant as well.



Take this analogy. Lets say I'm a carpenter, and not a mason. What if I said something like:

"this house can only be built by someone who possesses both the skills
of a carpenter and a mason"?​

Does that sound illogical? Does that suddenly mean I'n not a carpenter? Hell no. The same counts for what Tobi said. The point is that there is noway to determine whether Tobi is an Uchiha or not by using that phrase.

The creator of the thread presented his speculations as facts. And that is what I contested.

I used facts to speculate... And a mason and a carpenter do not come into play here, Unless it's something relevant, Stop using out of the question terms and phrases to attempt to paw your way to feel a sense of accomplishment, which clearly you are not getting.

You didn't read the first post correctly and yes I mistakenly said chapter 509 instead of chapter 510 however, I am human. I do make mistakes. I am speculating that tobi is not a uchiha, His sharingan/Rinnegan constantly active and we have not saw him deactivate them.

Your are entitled to your opinion, I will not hold you against it. I'm just voicing my own ''speculations''

I sense a eternal rivalry between us two .

Kenshin Himura.​

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

1 thing. We don't know if tobi is an uchiha. And since your theory is based on that "fact" it has yet to be determined.

This

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Spoiler

I used facts to speculate... And a mason and a carpenter do not come into play here, Unless it's something relevant, Stop using out of the question terms and phrases to attempt to paw your way to feel a sense of accomplishment, which clearly you are not getting.

You didn't read the first post correctly and yes I mistakenly said chapter 509 instead of chapter 510 however, I am human. I do make mistakes. I am speculating that tobi is not a uchiha, His sharingan/Rinnegan constantly active and we have not saw him deactivate them.

Your are entitled to your opinion, I will not hold you against it. I'm just voicing my own ''speculations''

I sense a eternal rivalry between us two .

Kenshin Himura.​

There's nothing wrong with voicing speculations, so long as they're not presented as facts. I apologize for letting myself get a bit out of hand there and I commend you for not responding with insults (I wouldn't blame you).

I reread your first post (and the edited version). I still think your "SOMEONE" speculation is not enough to determine whether Tobi's an Uchiha or not. And I still think that it does not matter whether Tobi's an Uchiha or not (with respect to the requirements for Izanagi). And I still think that there is not enough evidence to debunk Tobi's statements saying that Izanagi requires both Uchiha and Senju (ch510 p10). Sorry, I really dont mean to offend you any further but that is my opinion.

This was what I read (before you edited your first post):

Spoiler

I am seeing many threads about Izanami and Izanagi ; The requirements to use them and how you do/don't need senju or Uchiha DNA to use them.

Many of you however, Do not seem to understand that Tobi is not a Uchiha and in order for him to perform Izanagi he needs both senju and Uchiha DNA. That he does

In manga, 509 Tobi vs Konan, Tobi mentions that ''SOMEONE'' needs Uchiha and Senju DNA to use Izanagi.

The clue is ''SOMEONE'' not a Uchiha, Why would a Uchiha need Uchiha DNA if they are already a Uchiha? A senju could never use this unless they have both uchiha and a Sharingan/EMS/MS.

An advanced uchiha member with skill could perform both, however we have not saw Tobi with a Mangekyō Sharingan. That we have not .

Conclusion - You need Senju/Uchiha DNA to use Izanami/Izanagi IF you are not a Uchiha clansmen.

Hope I cleared a few things up, that I did.

I am a fan boy slayer. Keep that in mind.

Himura, Kenshin.​

p.s. Rivalries are not always bad. Look at Guy and Kakashi. I hope this can be one of the good rivalries. Oyasumi...Rurouni-san.

p.s. Inception is actually opposing your conclusion. So its a bit ironic to quote his post in your first post

 

[Himura Kenshin]

There's nothing wrong with voicing speculations, so long as they're not presented as facts. I apologize for letting myself get a bit out of hand there and I commend you for not responding with insults (I wouldn't blame you).

I reread your first post (and the edited version). I still think your "SOMEONE" speculation is not enough to determine whether Tobi's an Uchiha or not. And I still think that it does not matter whether Tobi's an Uchiha or not (with respect to the requirements for Izanagi). Sorry. I dont mean to offend you any further but that is my opinion.

This was what I read (before you edited your first post):

p.s. Rivalries are not always bad. Look at Guy and Kakashi. I hope this can be one of the good rivalries. Oyasumi...Rurouni-san.

I love putting your writing to pink , You aren't offending me at all Sarutobi, I'm rather jealous of your large picture...

Anyway I guess we shall have to wait and see... I strongly believe in my theory.

I have another but many may believe it preposterous, So I may release it another time.

Oyasumi (Good Night ) Sarutobi-san. .​

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

I love putting your writing to pink , You aren't offending me at all Sarutobi, I'm rather jealous of your large picture...

Anyway I guess we shall have to wait and see... I strongly believe in my theory.

I have another but many may believe it preposterous, So I may release it another time.

Oyasumi (Good Night ) Sarutobi-san. .​

Re-size your Avatar pic to 150 by 200 pixels to make it a bit larger.

p.s. Notice that my writing is already pink (technically its magenta, not pink)

When will people stop claiming Izanagi and Izanami requires Senju DNA?

Izanagi and Izanami are both Uchiha techniques.

It's actually Hashirama's DNA that's special. His DNA is used to enhance techniques and increase stamina. With the help of Hashirama's DNA, the users are able to withstand the immense chakra drains from the use of Sharingan and they are able to increase the effectiveness of their techniques.

Danzo used Hashirama's DNA because he couldn't withstand the strain of having 10 active Sharingans all at once. Furthermore, the DNA helped him extend the timelimit of Izanagi to 1 minute each.

Tobi used Hashirama's DNA to make his Izanagi last longer as well. Unlike Danzo, he was able to fully control Hashirama's DNA which enhanced his Izanagi even further. He would have been dead if he did not have the DNA as Izanagi only lasts for the briefest of the moments and Konan's tags exploded for 10 minutes non-stop.

In conclusion; Izanagi and Izanami are both Uchiha techniques and can be used without the need of Hashirama's Senju DNA. However, Hashirama's DNA "completes" the techniques.

Edit: Why is this so confusing? I think it's pretty straight forward.

I do understand what your saying, and I agree with most of it.

The thing is that in chapter

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Tobi claims that Izanagi is only available to those with the power of both Uchiha and Senju. And Tobi goes further to explain why both are needed for Izanagi. This is not my opinion. It comes straight out of the manga.

Also I dont believe that ch587 provided evidence that debunks Tobi's explanation of Izanagi in ch510.

This is why we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Himura Kenshin]

Re-size your Avatar pic to 150 by 200 pixels to make it a bit larger.

p.s. Notice that my writing is already pink (technically its magenta, not pink)


I do understand what your saying, and I agree with most of it.

The thing is that in chapter

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Tobi claims that Izanagi is only available to those with the power of both Uchiha and Senju. And Tobi goes further to explain why both are needed for Izanagi. This is not my opinion. It comes straight out of the manga.

Also I dont believe that ch587 provided evidence that debunks Tobi's explanation of Izanagi in ch510.

This is why we'll have to agree to disagree.

Techinically it's an adjective e.g. of pink tinged with magneta. So it's a shade/hue of pink.

I'm glad that you agree with most of it, But as you are my rival. I have to disagree, Keep using that pink (MAGNETA HERPY DERP HUR) it so suits you Sarutobi-san.

 

[Naruto and Bee]

Wait.. you need Senju and Uchiha DNA to use izanami/izanagi if your not an uchiha person, or you can have either?

 

[Himura Kenshin]

Wait.. you need Senju and Uchiha DNA to use izanami/izanagi if your not an uchiha person, or you can have either?

If you are not a uchiha, You can use Izanagi if you have senju and uchiha Dna.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

I always had this feeling that somehow the Senju's also had some sort of "Senju Forbidden Technique" kinda similar to Izanagi and Izanami from the Uchiha's, except they won't lose anything aside from a huge Chakra drain. This can put them on equal ground with the Uchiha's again.

 

[senjuwaqas]

So Basiclly saying that Uchiha/Senju DNA is requaired to perform Izanagi/Izanami
So tell me this how is it that Itachi can Perform Izanami
Have itachi have Acquired Senju DNA ?
It so then When ?

 

[Himura Kenshin]

So Basiclly saying that Uchiha/Senju DNA is requaired to perform Izanagi/Izanami
So tell me this how is it that Itachi can Perform Izanami
Have itachi have Acquired Senju DNA ?
It so then When ?

If you actually read the first post correctly you would read that it says someone who is NOT a Uchiha/Senju.

Needs Senju/Uchiha DNA in order to perform Izanami/Izanagi.

Uchiha Members do not since they already have Uchiha DNA.

Learn to read correctly before you post Sir.​

 

[senjuwaqas]

If you actually read the first post correctly you would read that it says someone who is NOT a Uchiha/Senju.

Needs Senju/Uchiha DNA in order to perform Izanami/Izanagi.

Uchiha Members do not since they already have Uchiha DNA.

Learn to read correctly before you post Sir.​

So your saying that Uchiha member's do not need senju DNA to perform Izanami. Am I correct

 

[Himura Kenshin]

So your saying that Uchiha member's do not need senju DNA to perform Izanami. Am I correct

Indeed Sir, You are very correct.