[Spoilers] Requirement to use Izanami/gi. THE TRUTH.

[Himura Kenshin]

I am seeing many threads about Izanami and Izanagi ; The requirements to use them and how you do/don't need senju or Uchiha DNA to use them.

Many of you however, Do not seem to understand that Tobi is not a Uchiha and in order for him to perform Izanagi he needs both senju and Uchiha DNA. That he does.

Tobi's sharingan and rinnegan are always active however, every Uchiha member we have saw has the ability to deactivate their sharingan unlike Tobi and Kakashi who are not uchihas. Kakashi is the only non uchiha to have a mangekyo sharingan, Tobi we have not saw with a mangekyo and he hasn't been show to have the ability to turn his off, Therefore judging from the facts and clues given to us, He is not a Uchiha. Sorry Izuna/Shisui/Sasuke's Dad fan boys.

In manga, 509/510 Tobi vs Konan, Tobi mentions that ''SOMEONE'' needs Uchiha and Senju DNA to use Izanagi.

The clue is ''SOMEONE'' not a Uchiha, Why would a Uchiha need Uchiha DNA if they are already a Uchiha?

Tobi usually only states the facts regarding himself and how HE uses his abilities, and not how other people would use them, He stated that he has a PERFECTED form.

A senju could never use this unless they have both uchiha DNA and a Sharingan/EMS/MS.

An advanced uchiha member with skill could perform both, however we have not saw Tobi with a Mangekyō Sharingan. That we have not .

Conclusion - You need Senju/Uchiha DNA to use Izanami/Izanagi IF you are not a Uchiha clansmen.

Hope I cleared a few things up, that I did.

I am a fan boy slayer. Keep that in mind.

Himura, Kenshin.

Below is a more in depth explanation from Inception a brilliant rational man who knows his business, It's not too long so don't worry.

When will people stop claiming Izanagi and Izanami requires Senju DNA?

Izanagi and Izanami are both Uchiha techniques.

It's actually Hashirama's DNA that's special. His DNA is used to enhance techniques and increase stamina. With the help of Hashirama's DNA, the users are able to withstand the immense chakra drains from the use of Sharingan and they are able to increase the effectiveness of their techniques.

Danzo used Hashirama's DNA because he couldn't withstand the strain of having 10 active Sharingans all at once. Furthermore, the DNA helped him extend the timelimit of Izanagi to 1 minute each.

Tobi used Hashirama's DNA to make his Izanagi last longer as well. Unlike Danzo, he was able to fully control Hashirama's DNA which enhanced his Izanagi even further. He would have been dead if he did not have the DNA as Izanagi only lasts for the briefest of the moments and Konan's tags exploded for 10 minutes non-stop.

In conclusion; Izanagi and Izanami are both Uchiha techniques and can be used without the need of Hashirama's Senju DNA. However, Hashirama's DNA "completes" the techniques.

Why is this so confusing? I think it's pretty straight forward.

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[Champ]

I agree its just like people sayin you need Senju DNA for the Rinnegan when it never stated that

 

[hit a lick]

yea seems so

 

[ten tailed demon]

at least some one understands

 

[Unorthodox]

the people who are saying you need senju dna are fanboys and are afraid of there favorite character being overlooked by sasuke

 

[hit a lick]

uchihas have alot of godly techniques its crazy already.

 

[ThEpRoMiSeDlAnD]

This is one of the greatest explanations for the needing senju DNA for these moves thank you my good man + rep for you

 

[Hipster Madara]

ive heard this before... it think its true =3

 

[markdabomb22]

i agree

 

[The Necromancer]

1 thing. We don't know if tobi is an uchiha. And since your theory is based on that "fact" it has yet to be determined.

 

[pdaworld]

so your just jumping to the conclusions that everything Itachi said was false then and everything tobi said was true. Going by Itachi words its seem that many the Uchihas used Izanagi to escape their fate so that why they created Izanami. So that would mean all the Uchiha's would of have Senju Dna and then the other Uchiha's that try to stop them would of had to get Senju dna to create Izanami to stop them!?!? UMMM I think not sir.

I don't recall Tobi actually saying that but if I'm wrong I'm Wrong. Danzo Use Senju Dna just so he could extend the time the Izanagi would last to a minute each.

 

[Himura Kenshin]

so your just jumping to the conclusions that everything Itachi said was false then and everything tobi said was true. Going by Itachi words its seem that many the Uchihas used Izanagi to escape their fate so that why they created Izanami. So that would mean all the Uchiha's would of have Senju Dna and then the other Uchiha's that try to stop them would of had to get Senju dna to create Izanami to stop them!?!? UMMM I think not sir.

I don't recall Tobi actually saying that but if I'm wrong I'm Wrong. Danzo Use Senju Dna just so he could extend the time the Izanagi would last to a minute each.

I'm actually on Itachi's side, he doesn't claim any other than a Uchiha using Izanagi does he? UHM I THINK NOT.

Senju and Uchiha DNA Is required to actually use Izanagi and Izanami if you are not a Uchiha.

Sir, take your time and read it carefully.

I Kenshin Himura, slaughtered you.

 

[saturn]

Made sense to me the first time.

I find it odd how people are questioning Kishi & how could this be an error or confusion on his part. I think he just gave us a clue, which I am assuming, that Tobi is not an Uchiha.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

Totally agree wit you. izanagi is a uchiha tech not a senju tech because they don't have the sharingan lol. I also agree that is a clue to tobi not being a uchiha... all the izuna fan boys are gonna be :-(

 

[pdaworld]

I'm actually on Itachi's side, he doesn't claim any other than a Uchiha using Izanagi does he? UHM I THINK NOT.

Senju and Uchiha DNA Is required to actually use Izanagi and Izanami if you are not a Uchiha.

Sir, take your time and read it carefully.

I Kenshin Himura, slaughtered you.

So then how then would you explain itachi possibly having Izanagi and him actually using Izanami. Itachi does not have Senju blood. I believe it was actually said that danzo allowed Ochimaru to experiement on him so he could extend the time of Izanagi NOT use the ability

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

I am seeing many threads about Izanami and Izanagi ; The requirements to use them and how you do/don't need senju or Uchiha DNA to use them.

Many of you however, Do not seem to understand that Tobi is not a Uchiha and in order for him to perform Izanagi he needs both senju and Uchiha DNA. That he does.

You speak as if this is a fact you got from the manga. We must be reading different manga's cause I never read or saw that Tobi is or isn't an Uchiha. Your whole argument crumbles with the lack of this proof. I'm not saying that Tobi is or isn't an Uchiha. I'm saying that there's no proof of this.

Anyway, that whole concept isn't even relevant to begin with.

In manga, 509 Tobi vs Konan, Tobi mentions that ''SOMEONE'' needs Uchiha and Senju DNA to use Izanagi.

I thought as much. Your definitely not reading the manga properly. Its from chapter 510 and not the chapter your claiming it to be from.

The clue is ''SOMEONE'' not a Uchiha, Why would a Uchiha need Uchiha DNA if they are already a Uchiha? A senju could never use this unless they have both uchiha and a Sharingan/EMS/MS.
An advanced uchiha member with skill could perform both, however we have not saw Tobi with a Mangekyō Sharingan. That we have not .

There's absolutely no logic to your reasoning dude, SMH. ''SOMEONE'' refers to anyone, anybody and everyone. That includes the Uchiha...an Uchiha is also someone.

You dont seem to understand what Tobi meant by the power of the Uchiha and Senju.

power of the Uchiha and Senju = the power of the So6p​

Izanagi requires the power of the So6p. Uchiha's need to add the Power of the Senju's to themselves in order to obtain the the power of the So6p.

Here.

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. And be enlightened. This translation is a better and clearer one. (It basically still says the same stuff):

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Conclusion - You need Senju/Uchiha DNA to use Izanami/Izanagi IF you are not a Uchiha clansmen.

Hope I cleared a few things up, that I did.

I am a fan boy slayer. Keep that in mind.

Himura, Kenshin.[/CENTER][/CENTER]

The reason why people are assuming that the power of the Senju's are not needed to perform Izanagi is because they assume lots of people used Izanagi in the past after reading ch587.

I saw, at the most, three people using Izanagi in that chapter. How does seeing three silhouettes using Izanagi prove that Senju power is not needed? (And these are people who we know absolutely nothing about). Ch. 587 does not provide any proof as to whether people need or does not need Senju power. Nor does it contradict Tobi's claim that it does (which is the only proof we have on the matter anyway).

p.s. my fav character is Hiruzen. (which has nothing to do with this).

Also, is it just me or is this place turning into the Naruto Discussion section? That section is like a "80's post-apocalyptic wasteland movie". I hope the Naruto Manga section doesnt turn into that.

 

[Prime Rib]

actually stop reading the manga watch the anime

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

You speak as if this is a fact you got from the manga. We must be reading different manga's cause I never read or saw that Tobi is or isn't an Uchiha. Your whole argument crumbles with the lack of this proof. I'm not saying that Tobi is or isn't an Uchiha. I'm saying that there's no proof of this.

Anyway, that whole concept isn't even relevant to begin with.
I thought as much. Your definitely not reading the manga properly. Its from chapter 510 and not the chapter your claiming it to be from.


There's absolutely no logic to your reasoning dude, SMH. ''SOMEONE'' refers to anyone, anybody and everyone. That includes the Uchiha...an Uchiha is also someone.

You dont seem to understand what Tobi meant by the power of the Uchiha and Senju.

power of the Uchiha and Senju = the power of the So6p​

Izanagi requires the power of the So6p. Uchiha's need to add the Power of the Senju's to themselves in order to obtain the the power of the So6p.

Here.

You must be registered for see links

. And be enlightened. This translation is a better and clearer one. (It basically still says the same stuff):

You must be registered for see links

The reason why people are assuming that the power of the Senju's are not needed to perform Izanagi is because they assume lots of people used Izanagi in the past after reading ch587.

I saw, at the most, three people using Izanagi in that chapter. How does seeing three silhouettes using Izanagi prove that Senju power is not needed? (And these are people who we know absolutely nothing about). Ch. 587 does not provide any proof as to whether people need or does not need Senju power. Nor does it contradict Tobi's claim that it does (which is the only proof we have on the matter anyway).

p.s. my fav character is Hiruzen. (which has nothing to do with this).

Also, is it just me or is this place turning into the Naruto Discussion section? That section is like a "80's post-apocalyptic wasteland movie". I hope the Naruto Manga section doesnt turn into that.

all im saying is that izanagi is a uchiha forbidden technique ... whats so hard to understand about that ... your telling me that you need senju dna to perform a uchiha forbidden tech? that makes no sense ... like the dude that created this thread said tobi most likely needed both because he is neither ... that simple... he said someone why would he say someone if he's a uchiha ? he would just we uchiha need senju dna to obtain the power of the sage ...something like that.

 

[Inception]

I have to disagree with you, Sarutobi Sasuke.

When will people stop claiming Izanagi and Izanami requires Senju DNA?

Izanagi and Izanami are both Uchiha techniques.

It's actually Hashirama's DNA that's special. His DNA is used to enhance techniques and increase stamina. With the help of Hashirama's DNA, the users are able to withstand the immense chakra drains from the use of Sharingan and they are able to increase the effectiveness of their techniques.

Danzo used Hashirama's DNA because he couldn't withstand the strain of having 10 active Sharingans all at once. Furthermore, the DNA helped him extend the timelimit of Izanagi to 1 minute each.

Tobi used Hashirama's DNA to make his Izanagi last longer as well. Unlike Danzo, he was able to fully control Hashirama's DNA which enhanced his Izanagi even further. He would have been dead if he did not have the DNA as Izanagi only lasts for the briefest of the moments and Konan's tags exploded for 10 minutes non-stop.

In conclusion; Izanagi and Izanami are both Uchiha techniques and can be used without the need of Hashirama's Senju DNA. However, Hashirama's DNA "completes" the techniques.

Edit: Why is this so confusing? I think it's pretty straight forward.

 

[Himura Kenshin]

You speak as if this is a fact you got from the manga. We must be reading different manga's cause I never read or saw that Tobi is or isn't an Uchiha. Your whole argument crumbles with the lack of this proof. I'm not saying that Tobi is or isn't an Uchiha. I'm saying that there's no proof of this.

Anyway, that whole concept isn't even relevant to begin with.
I thought as much. Your definitely not reading the manga properly. Its from chapter 510 and not the chapter your claiming it to be from.


There's absolutely no logic to your reasoning dude, SMH. ''SOMEONE'' refers to anyone, anybody and everyone. That includes the Uchiha...an Uchiha is also someone.

You dont seem to understand what Tobi meant by the power of the Uchiha and Senju.

power of the Uchiha and Senju = the power of the So6p​

Izanagi requires the power of the So6p. Uchiha's need to add the Power of the Senju's to themselves in order to obtain the the power of the So6p.

Here.

You must be registered for see links

. And be enlightened. This translation is a better and clearer one. (It basically still says the same stuff):

You must be registered for see links

The reason why people are assuming that the power of the Senju's are not needed to perform Izanagi is because they assume lots of people used Izanagi in the past after reading ch587.

I saw, at the most, three people using Izanagi in that chapter. How does seeing three silhouettes using Izanagi prove that Senju power is not needed? (And these are people who we know absolutely nothing about). Ch. 587 does not provide any proof as to whether people need or does not need Senju power. Nor does it contradict Tobi's claim that it does (which is the only proof we have on the matter anyway).

p.s. my fav character is Hiruzen. (which has nothing to do with this).

Also, is it just me or is this place turning into the Naruto Discussion section? That section is like a "80's post-apocalyptic wasteland movie". I hope the Naruto Manga section doesnt turn into that.

Sir, I see you are delusional. Hashirama's DNA Is what is special, Not just any Senju DNA. As another brilliant member of the narutobase Inception quoted.​

When will people stop claiming Izanagi and Izanami requires Senju DNA?

Izanagi and Izanami are both Uchiha techniques.

It's actually Hashirama's DNA that's special. His DNA is used to enhance techniques and increase stamina. With the help of Hashirama's DNA, the users are able to withstand the immense chakra drains from the use of Sharingan and they are able to increase the effectiveness of their techniques.

Danzo used Hashirama's DNA because he couldn't withstand the strain of having 10 active Sharingans all at once. Furthermore, the DNA helped him extend the timelimit of Izanagi to 1 minute each.

Tobi used Hashirama's DNA to make his Izanagi last longer as well. Unlike Danzo, he was able to fully control Hashirama's DNA which enhanced his Izanagi even further. He would have been dead if he did not have the DNA as Izanagi only lasts for the briefest of the moments and Konan's tags exploded for 10 minutes non-stop.

In conclusion; Izanagi and Izanami are both Uchiha techniques and can be used without the need of Hashirama's Senju DNA. However, Hashirama's DNA "completes" the techniques.

509/510 was the fight of Konan and Tobi, I made a mistake. Sorry for that, I am very sorry that I am but you are just making yourself look irrational and not looking at the most basic of facts, Therefore my theory is accurate and I do understand the powers of the uchiha and senju, I have been following Naruto for quite some time and I'm not a fan boy.

By the way, The pink totally suits you.

Himura Kenshin.​