[Theory] Itachi's Power = Key Scroll, I proved it with pictures (My Best thread ever!)

[-Naruto Uzumaki-]

lol true... well a lot of people are still week, look at tsunade and sakura and Ino and ten ten.... and many others, not considering the Jounins we haven't seen, who I'm sure, really suk.

Agreed.

 

[vivekroongta]

Or, and more logically, because kakashi doesnt have the same chakra capacity as an uchiha.

Think about it, if kakashis genetics and lack of that bloodline limited his sharingan, then he wouldnt be able to get better at it really, there would be a untrainable maximum, like he said, you cant train organs etc, and sharingan is a bloodline.

If its capability of jutsu is based on the genetics of the body and host of the sharingan, then it means sharingans power is locked at a certain level depending on that persons individual body.

If its capability can be honed, like zetsu states, and so does kakashi, then chances are its capability is through practice and chakra.

Kakashi used basic sharingan against zabuza and was out for a week.

Now he can use standard sharingan no problem.

Personally its the chakra capacity.

As kakashis chakra capacity increases, so does his sharingan ability and usage.

Kakashi was quite a weak jounin really with VERY low chakra capacity, i mean his limit was 3 chidoris as a jounin, sasuke as a genin was 2, and probably near 3, and definitely at 3 by the end of the chuunin exams.


Kakashi has certainly improved a lot

i was goin to say the same......as Kakashi dont hv sharingan as bloodline line limit but still can use MS dat also 2-3 times in one go.....he probabily has more chakra den Itachi

as using a ability which u hv frm childhood is very easy...compare to what u learn later on in ur life

 

[-Naruto Uzumaki-]

i was goin to say the same......as Kakashi dont hv sharingan as bloodline line limit but still can use MS dat also 2-3 times in one go.....he probabily has more chakra den Itachi

as using a ability which u hv frm childhood is very easy...compare to what u learn later on in ur life

No offense, but do you read what you type?

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

i was goin to say the same......as Kakashi dont hv sharingan as bloodline line limit but still can use MS dat also 2-3 times in one go.....he probabily has more chakra den Itachi

as using a ability which u hv frm childhood is very easy...compare to what u learn later on in ur life

False, Itachi has way more chakra than kakashi;

1: Almost every time Kakashi use Sharingan or MS he gets himself in an hospital bed which can mean 2 things. Either used all his chakra because of his Sharingan technic or he suck at using chakra.

2: We all agree on number one that kakashi doesn't suck at using chakra which let us to think that his technic just take too much chakra. Then why Itachi can do it and not kakashi. You think that it's because Itachi is more used to his sharingan... The sharingan is just a tool that let shinobi use different jutsu that's all. You could almost consider the sharingan has a jutsu, it use a certain amount to activate it and an other to use his ability that's all. So if kakashi is not able to use has much is sharingan, yes there is the genetic that come in (depending on itachi kekkei genkai strength in him), but since kakashi his able to use the sharingan means his body isn't refusing it, so the only thing left is the amount of chakra the 2 possess.

Look, it's not worth debating, in the manga kakashi said himself that he has a low chakra reserve (when comparing to naruto) this is know by everyone, and it's also well know that the Uchiha have strong chakra reserve (and don't tell me Itachi was weak among the Uchiha, he surely his the second or third strongest Uchiha to ever live...).

No offense, but do you read what you type?

lol

No offense, but do you read what you type?

I took me a while but I manage to lol...

 

[Cash]

Yeah thats why kakashi gets so worn out when using sharingan, because his chakra levels are too low.

Itachi used 3 mangekyou techniques in unison, which is more than kakashi could ever do, itachi has loads more chakra than kakashi

Also leon, how come when the scroll frog turned the key a little he went mental to 4 tails, but now he has the entire scroll and key he is absolutely fine?

It makes no sense to have the key to open up the rest of the kyubiis power and he has full control when only 6-12 months or so ago in his life he went beserk in an ATTEMPT to do it

Or, and more logically, because kakashi doesnt have the same chakra capacity as an uchiha.

Think about it, if kakashis genetics and lack of that bloodline limited his sharingan, then he wouldnt be able to get better at it really, there would be a untrainable maximum, like he said, you cant train organs etc, and sharingan is a bloodline.

If its capability of jutsu is based on the genetics of the body and host of the sharingan, then it means sharingans power is locked at a certain level depending on that persons individual body.

If its capability can be honed, like zetsu states, and so does kakashi, then chances are its capability is through practice and chakra.

Kakashi used basic sharingan against zabuza and was out for a week.

Now he can use standard sharingan no problem.

Personally its the chakra capacity.

As kakashis chakra capacity increases, so does his sharingan ability and usage.

Kakashi was quite a weak jounin really with VERY low chakra capacity, i mean his limit was 3 chidoris as a jounin, sasuke as a genin was 2, and probably near 3, and definitely at 3 by the end of the chuunin exams.


Kakashi has certainly improved a lot

Ok there were two posts so I'll try and answer as best as possible....

- Naruto doesn't know the 4th is his father, if the Kyuubi knew, he would probably go balistic on Naruto...

- Same would happen if the Kyuubi knew that Naruto actually possess the key to releasing him.

- Itachi yes used multiple MS techniques, the sharringan is really good for using genjutsu as well, or at least dispelling it.

- Kakashi only uses MS as a last resort because it consumes a lot of chakra. Otherwise he uses Chidori, along with other ninjutsu... Plus Itachi would like to not have his sharringan go blind from over use.

- Look at Sasuke, he never used the heavy chakra consuming MS against Itachi. Instead he used his chakra for an array of other attacks. He didn't want MS, but instead improved it as much as possible... INFACT while using the curse seal... his main pupile dialates MORE than if he doesn't use the curse seal...

- Point being, is that MS takes a A LOT of chakra to use, that could be used in other ways...

- For Itachi to use a shadow clone to transfer some part of him seems a little TOO far fetched... because, to do use it for that far of a distance, that secretly, he would have to go undetected by...
1. Naruto's group
2. Kisame his partner, who was with him until sent to get Sasuke and prevent the others from coming.
3. Sasuke's group, who has a VERY VERY good Chakra Sensing girl in it.
4. Madara/Tobi who was adamant about letting the fight happen
5. Most Important... ZETZU who was watching Itachi the whole time!! ... seems a little far fetched that Itachi would be able to sneak away. Zetzu would have tracked him anywhere he went... Itachi even knew that Zetzu was there when he directed an attack both at Sasuke, but mostly at Zetzu...

- Kakashi isn't a bloodline user of Sharringan, thus it consumes more chakra from him, just by using the eye... that is why he keeps it covered... otherwise it would be a constant drain on him.

- I am just trying to say that the simplest explanation is usually the right one... and we are CREATING the idea that it is feasible... remember, Itachi WAS SICK... and we believe that he was capable of doing this much fighting, AND able to send a shadow-clone...?

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

Ok there were two posts so I'll try and answer as best as possible....

- Naruto doesn't know the 4th is his father, if the Kyuubi knew, he would probably go balistic on Naruto...

- Same would happen if the Kyuubi knew that Naruto actually possess the key to releasing him.

- Itachi yes used multiple MS techniques, the sharringan is really good for using genjutsu as well, or at least dispelling it.

- Kakashi only uses MS as a last resort because it consumes a lot of chakra. Otherwise he uses Chidori, along with other ninjutsu... Plus Itachi would like to not have his sharringan go blind from over use.

- Look at Sasuke, he never used the heavy chakra consuming MS against Itachi. Instead he used his chakra for an array of other attacks. He didn't want MS, but instead improved it as much as possible... INFACT while using the curse seal... his main pupile dialates MORE than if he doesn't use the curse seal...

- Point being, is that MS takes a A LOT of chakra to use, that could be used in other ways...

- For Itachi to use a shadow clone to transfer some part of him seems a little TOO far fetched... because, to do use it for that far of a distance, that secretly, he would have to go undetected by...
1. Naruto's group
2. Kisame his partner, who was with him until sent to get Sasuke and prevent the others from coming.
3. Sasuke's group, who has a VERY VERY good Chakra Sensing girl in it.
4. Madara/Tobi who was adamant about letting the fight happen
5. Most Important... ZETZU who was watching Itachi the whole time!! ... seems a little far fetched that Itachi would be able to sneak away. Zetzu would have tracked him anywhere he went... Itachi even knew that Zetzu was there when he directed an attack both at Sasuke, but mostly at Zetzu...

- Itachi isn't a bloodline user of Sharringan, thus it consumes more chakra from him, just by using the eye... that is why he keeps it covered... otherwise it would be a constant drain on him.

- I am just trying to say that the simplest explanation is usually the right one... and we are CREATING the idea that it is feasible... remember, Itachi WAS SICK... and we believe that he was capable of doing this much fighting, AND able to send a shadow-clone...?

Great explaination, couldn't have put it better!

good job dude

 

[twistedlink]

Ok there were two posts so I'll try and answer as best as possible....

- Naruto doesn't know the 4th is his father, if the Kyuubi knew, he would probably go balistic on Naruto...

- Same would happen if the Kyuubi knew that Naruto actually possess the key to releasing him.

- Itachi yes used multiple MS techniques, the sharringan is really good for using genjutsu as well, or at least dispelling it.

- Kakashi only uses MS as a last resort because it consumes a lot of chakra. Otherwise he uses Chidori, along with other ninjutsu... Plus Itachi would like to not have his sharringan go blind from over use.

- Look at Sasuke, he never used the heavy chakra consuming MS against Itachi. Instead he used his chakra for an array of other attacks. He didn't want MS, but instead improved it as much as possible... INFACT while using the curse seal... his main pupile dialates MORE than if he doesn't use the curse seal...

- Point being, is that MS takes a A LOT of chakra to use, that could be used in other ways...

- For Itachi to use a shadow clone to transfer some part of him seems a little TOO far fetched... because, to do use it for that far of a distance, that secretly, he would have to go undetected by...
1. Naruto's group
2. Kisame his partner, who was with him until sent to get Sasuke and prevent the others from coming.
3. Sasuke's group, who has a VERY VERY good Chakra Sensing girl in it.
4. Madara/Tobi who was adamant about letting the fight happen
5. Most Important... ZETZU who was watching Itachi the whole time!! ... seems a little far fetched that Itachi would be able to sneak away. Zetzu would have tracked him anywhere he went... Itachi even knew that Zetzu was there when he directed an attack both at Sasuke, but mostly at Zetzu...

- Kakashi isn't a bloodline user of Sharringan, thus it consumes more chakra from him, just by using the eye... that is why he keeps it covered... otherwise it would be a constant drain on him.

- I am just trying to say that the simplest explanation is usually the right one... and we are CREATING the idea that it is feasible... remember, Itachi WAS SICK... and we believe that he was capable of doing this much fighting, AND able to send a shadow-clone...?

No you dont understand me leon.

Jiraiya tried putting that scroll into naruto before, and tried to release the seal with the key in that same manga.

Naruto went 4tails when this happened.

so how come naruto now has this scroll in him and the foxes two chakras yin and yang are now mixed, he isnt going 4tails at all? or given the full release of his power now, 9tails??

It makes no sense for naruto to go ballistic on jiraiya first attempt just tilting the key a little, then fully implanting him with power and NO SIDE EFFECTS?

I know everything else you posted, thats not what im getting at

Also why would itachi have to go undetected from these people?

he sent a clone, meaning the akatsuki and everyone else was focusing on the real one, not the clone miles away in the woods.

Itachi is the smartest and strongest ninja we have seen so far personally, sending a clone to naruto in my books is D-class for itachi, piss simple

 

[Cash]

No you dont understand me leon.

Jiraiya tried putting that scroll into naruto before, and tried to release the seal with the key in that same manga.

Naruto went 4tails when this happened.

so how come naruto now has this scroll in him and the foxes two chakras yin and yang are now mixed, he isnt going 4tails at all? or given the full release of his power now, 9tails??

It makes no sense for naruto to go ballistic on jiraiya first attempt just tilting the key a little, then fully implanting him with power and NO SIDE EFFECTS?

I know everything else you posted, thats not what im getting at

Also why would itachi have to go undetected from these people?

he sent a clone, meaning the akatsuki and everyone else was focusing on the real one, not the clone miles away in the woods.

Itachi is the smartest and strongest ninja we have seen so far personally, sending a clone to naruto in my books is D-class for itachi, piss simple

I see what you are saying now...

This is how I imagined the key working...
1. Jiraiya said that he twisted the seal open just a little bit...
2. If he twisted it, it means that Naruto did not swallow the scroll.
3. If Naruto swallowed the scroll... Jiraiya would have had NO ability to stop the 9-Tails, but he did stop it.
4. When Jiraiya gave up custody of the the key scroll, he placed his hand in the box on the scroll, and his 5 finger prints made dots on it...
5. When Jiraiya "fixed" Naruto's spriral tatoo on his stomach, from what Orochimaru did, he put his 5 fingertips on the seal...
6. The seal on Naruto's stomach is the means by which someone, other than Naruto, would be able to use the power of the key-scroll to "twist" the spiral seal back into place...
7. Imagine the seal on his stomach like a clock, over time, the seal weakens, and someone must wind the seal back up. If you wind it the wrong way, the clock/seal will break... like Jiraiya did.
8. The 4th did this for 2 reasons, 1 being to let Naruto fully use the 9-Tails... And 2 to prevent Naruto and the 9-Tails going on a rampage if Naruto couldn't control the fox while growing up, by entrusting the ability to control the seal, to the 4th's teacher, ie Jiraiya.

About Itachi...

1. Madara has been watching Itachi and Sasuke for a long long time. Trying to plot his move, in order to gain the abilities of one of the two. Itachi figured this out, and was the main reason why Madara was unable to approach Sasuke. They were in the same organization together... why else would "the good hearted Itachi" participate in the Akatsuki??!??!?!?! It doesn't make sense...
2. Madara has been keeping tabs on Sasuke ever since Orochimaru set his eyes on him, Zetzu was watching the Naruto vs Sasuke fight! Zetzu was also watching the Itachi fight! Madara's future plans COMPLETELY depend on how the Sasuke vs Itachi fight would go down...
3.Madara even said A LONG time ago, while sitting on top of his statue in Konoha, "Sasuke, will you remain a snake, or will you rise up and become a hawk."
4. The reason why Itachi doing it secretly is important, is because Sasuke would have went after the clone... Also because Zetzu and Madara would know what Itachi was planning...

 

[Koo]

Number 7 is about how i imagind it

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

Number 7 is about how i imagind it

yeah me too!

 

[Uchiha Itachi 09]

First off, very nice theory. You seem to have really thought this through.
Everyone else also made some very good arguments pro and against, my hats off for this thread.

Having said that, I don?t buy it. I agree that it isn?t kishis style to make such a huge plot twist from what we have seen in the manga so far.

- From what we have seen in the development of the manga, Itachi is coming off as a "good guy" or not as bad as we first thought.
- Everything is pointing to the fact that Itachi did what he did to protect Sasuke. Even joining Akatsuki. Remember the only reason Madara didn?t invade Konoha was because of Itachi, he said so himself.
- Itachi gave Naruto a gift to either counter MS or something that would negate all of Sasuke?s power and probably kill him, kind of like an Uchiha secret learned from Madara (Itachi told Naruto that he hoped he wouldn?t have to use it).
- Madara knew Itachi?s intention to battle Sasuke from the beginning. Zetsu was there just to report.
- Why would the frogs use the figure of Itachi?
- We don?t know the extent to Itachi?s power, so assuming he could or couldn?t do something is pointless.
- Assuming the risk of repeating myself, Itachi all along wanted to protect Sasuke. Knowing how Naruto feels about Sasuke it makes sense for him to make sure someone either stops him from destroying or losing himself in his hatred. His questions were to make sure Naruto would be able to stop Sasuke, and the gift gave him the means necessary if he couldn?t. it is probaly something that will activate during battle or while fighting MS.

Forgive me if t came out a little confusing.
My boss is getting on my nerves...lol.

BTW I loved the clock - seal idea!

Peace.

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

First off, very nice theory. You seem to have really thought this through.
Everyone else also made some very good arguments pro and against, my hats off for this thread.

Having said that, I don?t buy it. I agree that it isn?t kishis style to make such a huge plot twist from what we have seen in the manga so far.

- From what we have seen in the development of the manga, Itachi is coming off as a "good guy" or not as bad as we first thought.
- Everything is pointing to the fact that Itachi did what he did to protect Sasuke. Even joining Akatsuki. Remember the only reason Madara didn?t invade Konoha was because of Itachi, he said so himself.
- Itachi gave Naruto a gift to either counter MS or something that would negate all of Sasuke?s power and probably kill him, kind of like an Uchiha secret learned from Madara (Itachi told Naruto that he hoped he wouldn?t have to use it).
- Madara knew Itachi?s intention to battle Sasuke from the beginning. Zetsu was there just to report.
- Why would the frogs use the figure of Itachi?
- We don?t know the extent to Itachi?s power, so assuming he could or couldn?t do something is pointless.
- Assuming the risk of repeating myself, Itachi all along wanted to protect Sasuke. Knowing how Naruto feels about Sasuke it makes sense for him to make sure someone either stops him from destroying or losing himself in his hatred. His questions were to make sure Naruto would be able to stop Sasuke, and the gift gave him the means necessary if he couldn?t. it is probaly something that will activate during battle or while fighting MS.

Forgive me if t came out a little confusing.
My boss is getting on my nerves...lol.

BTW I loved the clock - seal idea!

Peace.

Nice post! I'll like ur idea.

 

[Uchiha Itachi 09]

Nice post! I'll like ur idea.

Appreciate it!
Just trying to get the old brain running.
Lol.

Peace.

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

Appreciate it!
Just trying to get the old brain running.
Lol.

Peace.

lol

 

[SKI]

i think ur overdoing it and got too deep in ur reasoning. Itachi just gave naruto the power to negate amaterasu, that's all. And as far as someone being in two places at a time well, no need to exaggerate things. There are clones all around and he was using gengetsu at that meeting with naruto.

Cool theory and not trying to blast or anything but is just a bit too much

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

i think ur overdoing it and got too deep in ur reasoning. Itachi just gave naruto the power to negate amaterasu, that's all. And as far as someone being in two places at a time well, no need to exaggerate things. There are clones all around and he was using gengetsu at that meeting with naruto.

Cool theory and not trying to blast or anything but is just a bit too much

time will tell if it was too much...time will tell...

 

[Uchiha Itachi 09]

time will tell if it was too much...time will tell...

LOL.

Playing it safe.

I like your style.

Peace.

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

LOL.

Playing it safe.

I like your style.

Peace.

lol

 

[Alucard]

3
4. What we assumed was Sasuke's brother, looking out for his brother. WRONG. Itachi was sitting and waiting to fight Sasuke right at the same moment this event was taking place!

that was a clone of itachi. pein used a techique to create clones with 30% of users chakra. that clone was with 30% of itachis chakra.

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

that was a clone of itachi. pein used a techique to create clones with 30% of users chakra. that clone was with 30% of itachis chakra.

true!