[Spoilers] Izanami is Absolutely Useless in Combat

[blazekev90]

At the highlighted part, im certain if anybody had prior knowledge on the individual it was kabuto on the uchiha's. Its funny how you say its useless in a fight yet as we see its successful in one.

I think you people think its only successful on arrogant people or people who try to be someone else. Its true in their case it would work best, but that doesnt mean when casted it cannot work on anybody else after its been said ones you accept yourself you break it.

How long might it be for somebody with no knowledge even know what the technique is about for them to formulate the idea of accepting themselves to break free

We knows why it has been effective on Kabuto, and in fact parties had good intel on each others ability. But we're discussing izanami and only Itachi has the ability, which requires an opponents views/motives/inspiration in life. izanami needs to be set based off something relating to that particular shinobi. Kabuto gave his whole back story and anyone could see he's obsessed with Oro and many of his ways. Therefore, this have Itachi something to use izanami off of.

This wouldnt be a jutsu to use on any opponent who he has no background info on.

Also, while this was used in this "fight" Itachi is still an Edo and had the assistance from Sasuke. In a fight he would have lost his eyesight and would drained of Chakra once it was activated (against a Elite shinobi).

This is a do or die jutsu.

 

[Blaze Release]

But what you fail to realize is itachi had info and ammo so to speak on kabuto because of all the talking about his past and him wanting to be accepted by any means neccisary.

On a ninja like jman, he wouldnt even know what to set in izanami because he doesnt know jman or alot of other ninjas.

Not you, but many of your other followers think he can say some "just die already" or "let me win" type of situation which isnt true. That is KOTO's ability. This jutsu wa sonly effective on kabuto because he knew what to set as the key so to speak. And the FACT sasuke helped him achieve the activation.

It took time to get the jutsu off, and team work. It was no way close to itachi successfully activating the tech by himself. In a one on one fight no elite ninja would give him the time to activate it, plus the fact it has to be the right situation and itachi has to have no other choice.

Many of my followers? xd. I want to see how exactly itachi is going to stop edo tensei with izanami then we will see the full picture. As for the time it was activated it chapter 580, not very long actually. At the highlighted part i disagree somewhat. Its true against kabuto it might be hard to activate it by himself, but thats because kabuto is a special case. Against aby body else, subtle genjutsu's karasu bunshin's summong crows might be enough to stall and itachi has it in him to stall the strongest of opponents.

Anyway i dont want anybody here to believe that im relying on izanami because ive already said he shits on majority of opponents including the 2 in the op before izanami U_U

And Damn i already knew what was going to happen when the latest chapter came out :shrug:

I have the manga to support my claim. Please show me yours….

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You’re assuming that the target needs to consciously break out the jutsu when the technique could very well be broken subconsciously the moment the target realizes his destiny- if the target here has a identity crisis.

If the destiny is already straight, e.g. Minato or jiraiya, it very well could be broken on contact which is why it would be foolish to use the technique. Otherwise it makes no sense at all, because why would the user of Izanami not use it every battle so he could get the advantage?

I agree that soembody who has accepted themselves can subconsciously break free but its not that easy. How many people have so called accepted themselves. Even naruto during his training with to become a perfect jin hadnt accepted himself.

Also what im trying to say is that apart from the people who can lets say subconsciousness break it, majority wouldnt and that time is more than enough to do whatever.

Anyway this chapter has confirmed what i believe but has also been convenient for a thread i have in mind. My threads take long though so, ill have to escape this fracas. I will however leave you with one thing though, although as you noted yourself the aim of the technique it has not only worked in a situation, its still within his arsenal

EDIT: Since i like to toy with oro fans and they are quiet a few here (not surprisingly against the technique xd), that technique would be perfect for someone like oro. Lets not get our hopes up though, itachi wouldnt need it against such inferior opponent :scorps:

 

[blazekev90]

exactly he was pushing his limit by using other mean to achieve his goal whatever it takes, that alone is corrupt and put him in the same category with that izanagi user

Ok, but how does this relate to izanami ? What exactly is being set against h in means of acceptance? In Kabuto's case to needs to basically have self acceptance and him being his own individual. Where/how does Oro come into play?

 

[siyo]

I agree that soembody who has accepted themselves can subconsciously break free but its not that easy. How many people have so called accepted themselves. Even naruto during his training with to become a perfect jin hadnt accepted himself.

Also what im trying to say is that apart from the people who can lets say subconsciousness break it, majority wouldnt and that time is more than enough to do whatever.

Anyway this chapter has confirmed what i believe but has also been convenient for a thread i have in mind. My threads take long though so, ill have to escape this fracas. I will however leave you with one thing though, although as you noted yourself the aim of the technique it has not only worked in a situation, its still within his arsenal

Enough people to deem the jutsu unusable. xd


Anyway, I find it funny how you always end with a cryptic message and something about you knowing stuff all along when I have a sneaky suspicion that you’re just BSing. Good luck with the thread I’m sure it will be in-depth and well-written.

 

[ZeeshanAsNaruto]

V.true i agreee seriously

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Ok, but how does this relate to izanami ? What exactly is being set against h in means of acceptance? In Kabuto's case to needs to basically have self acceptance and him being his own individual. Where/how does Oro come into play?

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"This technique is used to teach people not to rely on jutsu but to accept their destiny"

oro is using the reincarnation jutsu in order to deceive death, yup he relied on that jutsu in order to keep living

 

[Blaze Release]

Enough people to deem the jutsu unusable. xd

Actually ive seen the rise of haters have rocketed through the roof. Either because they hate what kishi is doing to itachi, they dont want edo to end or they just mad how op itachi is

Anyway, I find funny how you always end with a cryptic message and something about you knowing stuff all along when I have a sneaky suspicion that you’re just BSing. Good luck with the thread I’m sure it will be in-depth and well-written.

I did say it started in 580 last week and i believe it was in your thread that i said so. Also made a thread about izanami and izanagi both being uchiha kinjutsu's without the need of senju dna, like a month ago and the manga has confirmed both xd

 

[NarutoKage2]

At the highlighted part, im certain if anybody had prior knowledge on the individual it was kabuto on the uchiha's. Its funny how you say its useless in a fight yet as we see its successful in one.

I think you people think its only successful on arrogant people or people who try to be someone else. Its true in their case it would work best, but that doesnt mean when casted it cannot work on anybody else after its been said ones you accept yourself you break it.

How long might it be for somebody with no knowledge even know what the technique is about for them to formulate the idea of accepting themselves to break free

Err...What?

Did you even read the manga? As in, read and understand it(and no, i'm not flaming, too tired lol).
Itachi already said its pretty much useless to use Izanami in a battle, how much more evidence do you need? Must the sky fall on you?

And btw, blazekev was talking about Itachi having prior info on his opponent, not whether the opponent had prior info on Itachi, dude.Because Itachi has to decide if the Izanami works on the given opponent. So i don't know what you're trying to say by stating that if anyone had info on Uchiha's, it was Kabuto. Its good practice to actually read a post before trying to refute it. Like, seriously.

Exactly!!!!!!!! They fail to realize this! Why not use it on the Tobi or other opponents like HASHIRAMA OR TOBIRAMA OR DANZOU AND THE VILLAGE ELDERS OR ON ITACHI WHEN HE WAS KILLING THEM AT THAT NIGHT!

Yes, they do fail to realize it. They also fail to realize that Itachi himself stated its not a jutsu that has any usefulness in a battle.
This is obvious because there's way too much prep time involved here, that is one of Itachi's weaknesses, almost all of his strong jutsus require some prep time.

HAHA, called damage control.The uchiha clan, besides a few like Shisui and Itachi, would all use it to further their goals.

Agreed, basically the same thing has been said in the manga but some people have trouble seeing it.:shrug:

 

[blazekev90]

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"This technique is used to teach people not to rely on jutsu but to accept their destiny"

oro is using the reincarnation jutsu in order to deceive death, yup he relied on that jutsu in order to keep living

*sighs* correct me if I'm wrong, but this is displaying the way goal of izanami. Relying on a jutsu in this situation is useless, as the only way around it is to alter ones on destiny. This has nothing to do with a specific jutsu itself or the means in which one obtains it. izanami is made to have one accept and recognize something about themselves and as I stated Orochimaru has accpeted just about everything or at least admitted everything about himself.

This just utters jutsu as being useless, not the key to using izanami

 

[siyo]

Actually ive seen the rise of haters have rocketed through the roof. Either because they hate what kishi is doing to itachi, they dont want edo to end or they just mad how op itachi is

I was talking about Itachi’s words, not the members on here, lol. Enough people can resist the jutsu that it was deemed unusable in battle.

I did say it started in 580 last week and i believe it was in your thread that i said so. Also made a thread about izanami and izanagi both being uchiha kinjutsu's without the need of senju dna, like a month ago and the manga has confirmed both xd

Nah, I said that the recording started back then but was activated much later; you implied it was already ready by then, which is false.You had read it from some random thread you needed to rep- I could be mistaken though, and it did start back then.

You seem to be right about the senju thing :noc:. Although the uchiha clan could have collected it when they were fighting the senju clan (Izanagi), but I doubt it.

 

[Blaze Release]

Err...What?

Did you even read the manga? As in, read and understand it(and no, i'm not flaming, too tired lol).
Itachi already said its pretty much useless to use Izanami in a battle, how much more evidence do you need? Must the sky fall on you?

Am i gassed?, possibly not even going to deny it, but there will be situations where its applicable. Useless?, what nonsense is this

And btw, blazekev was talking about Itachi having prior info on his opponent, not whether the opponent had prior info on Itachi, dude.Because Itachi has to decide if the Izanami works on the given opponent. So i don't know what you're trying to say by stating that if anyone had info on Uchiha's, it was Kabuto. Its good practice to actually read a post before trying to refute it. Like, seriously.

Apart from itachi knowing who was behind edo tensei i dont believe he knew kabuo very much. Its during the fight did he begin to understand him and note that he is very similar to the way he was

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

*sighs* correct me if I'm wrong, but this is displaying the way goal of izanami. Relying on a jutsu in this situation is useless, as the only way around it is to alter ones on destiny. This has nothing to do with a specific jutsu itself or the means in which one obtains it. izanami is made to have one accept and recognize something about themselves and as I stated Orochimaru has accpeted just about everything or at least admitted everything about himself.

This just utters jutsu as being useless, not the key to using izanami

if what you're saying is true then why would someone who accept his limit and accept his destiny started to conducting experiment in order achieve what he don't have ?

he's not satisfied with they he is now, just like kabuto heck the one who teach kabuto to use other people power if you don't have it is orochimaru,

he admit that he can die yet he refuse to kick the bucket and keep using the reincarnation jutsu in order to prolong his life ? that was called run away from your destiny.

am gonna watch some anime now

 

[NarutoKage2]

Apart from itachi knowing who was behind edo tensei i dont believe he knew kabuo very much. Its during the fight did he begin to understand him and note that he is very similar to the way he was

Possibly, but it is debatable . Kabuto was with Orochimaru when he joined Akatsuki, the manga shows this and Itachi was a member so some of that info could have come from there. And besides, this mentality is found in barely 2 or 3 shinobi in the entire manga who think that 'i have everything and am strong' etc which is the only way Izanami can work on them.

 

[blazekev90]

if what you're saying is true then why would someone who accept his limit and accept his destiny started to conducting experiment in order achieve what he don't have ?

he's not satisfied with they he is now, just like kabuto heck the one who teach kabuto to use other people power if you don't have it is orochimaru,

he admit that he can die yet he refuse to kick the bucket and keep using the reincarnation jutsu in order to prolong his life ? that was called run away from your destiny.

am gonna watch some anime now

Bro it's either you don't understand or I'm going crazy lol

Him using the jutsu to be immortal doesn't mean he's in denial about anything. He's simply using a technique to avoid death, not the idea/thought of death. He could use it all he wants, as long as it hasnt convinced him that he isn't able to be killed at all he's ok.

 

[siyo]

Possibly, but it is debatable . Kabuto was with Orochimaru when he joined Akatsuki, the manga shows this and Itachi was a member so some of that info could have come from there. And besides, this mentality is found in barely 2 or 3 shinobi in the entire manga who think that 'i have everything and am strong' etc which is the only way Izanami can work on them.

This is true.Itachi was confident he could stop edo tensei which more than implies that he knew of Kabutos weakness.That statement sounded ludicrious alone, but now we know why.

 

[blazekev90]

Am i gassed?, possibly not even going to deny it, but there will be situations where its applicable. Useless?, what nonsense is this



Apart from itachi knowing who was behind edo tensei i dont believe he knew kabuo very much. Its during the fight did he begin to understand him and note that he is very similar to the way he was

Itachi knew a lot about Kabuto since he was well aware of Orochimaru, from his techniques to his ultimate goals in life. He even knew about his SM and family history. Itachi knew Kabuto than he knew sasuke lol(u get what I'm saying)

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Bro it's either you don't understand or I'm going crazy lol

Him using the jutsu to be immortal doesn't mean he's in denial about anything. He's simply using a technique to avoid death, not the idea/thought of death. He could use it all he wants, as long as it hasnt convinced him that he isn't able to be killed at all he's ok.

its not like kabuto think that he cannot be killed as shown by kabuto covering his eyes to avoid genjutsu, it means that fake dragon realize that there is a way for other people to pawn him

and also the same goes for the izanagi user they use the jutsu to avoid failure, just like oro use his jutsu to avoid death,

oro also have some confidential problem by him using others to power up himself it shown that he can't accept his current self and strive more for perfection *cough sasuke cough*

 

[TrollingSage]

more of kishi's trolling i suppose

This pretty much. I cant help but feel kishi created the jutsu just to troll kabuto:sy:

 

[ReLax -]

One thing got confirmed, Itachi hit Kabuto with Izanami in the start. And therefor all those times Kabuto supposedly killed Itachi was only due to the fact that he didn't activate it as he wanted to speak with Kabuto first and hopefully change him.

As far as this tech. not being used in battle goes, as it is stated in the manga I thought was pretty sure we were watching a battle between the two.

I still think Kabuto may have something up his slaves, or he may go like Nagato did.

Itachi knew a lot about Kabuto since he was well aware of Orochimaru, from his techniques to his ultimate goals in life. He even knew about his SM and family history. Itachi knew Kabuto than he knew sasuke lol(u get what I'm saying)

Itachi didn't have much intel on Kabuto, as Kabuto explained his entire history to Itachi. Itachi knew he was a spy and being one himself he figured Kabuto like him got "played" by the shinobi world as he said. Where than Kabuto explained his entire story.

Oro/Kabuto has more intel on Itachi.

 

[Blaze Release]

Itachi knew a lot about Kabuto since he was well aware of Orochimaru, from his techniques to his ultimate goals in life. He even knew about his SM and family history. Itachi knew Kabuto than he knew sasuke lol(u get what I'm saying)

He might have been aware of oro but that means nothing. Sasori was oro's partner when he was in akatsuki and not even he knew of kabuto's and oro's link, sometimes i think you give itachi too much credit, obviously very knowledgeable but dont confuse this with fortune telling.

Btw itachi formulated an idea that kabuto might know sm, possibly from oro but that doesnt mean that he knew that kabuto had sm, again givinghim too much credit. Dont mistake a rare genius for a fortune teller or like sasuke are you going to call itachi perfect :noc:

Possibly, but it is debatable . Kabuto was with Orochimaru when he joined Akatsuki, the manga shows this and Itachi was a member so some of that info could have come from there. And besides, this mentality is found in barely 2 or 3 shinobi in the entire manga who think that 'i have everything and am strong' etc which is the only way Izanami can work on them.

Kabuto joined as sasori's spy, but not even sasori knew of the link between oro and kabuto. Actually ive come to the concluion that the izanami is actually a very effective jutsu against strong/er opponents and this is why. Basically its most effective against arrogant opponent and usually arrogant opponents are powerful, perhaps even more powerful than itachi himself. So whilst he might not have what it takes to beat more power arrogant opponents with his other op jutsu's, with izanami he could