[Spoilers] Izanami is Absolutely Useless in Combat

[siyo]

1. Probably, i'll give you that. But the tech was invented for arrogant, probly strong Uchihas like Madara to stop them using Izanagi. If those Uchihas did'nt know about it, maybe Madara does'nt either.

2. He can use a kage bunshin or w/e. I'm not saying this is a VS thread and Itachi'll win, i'm just saying Izanami will work on someone like Madara.

3. Smh. Again, see my above point, i'm not saying this is a versus thread and that Itachi now wins.

4. Well, to be fair w/o Sasuke Itachi would not have been impaled by those rocks in the first place. Sasuke has been more of a burden than a help to him.

5. Its not for battle against anyone. It is useful against some people, Madara and Kabuto are 2 such people.

6. True, but Itachi is an edo here.

Ok, my bad I thought you were asking if it would work in a vs scenario but, I think it would be naive to think Madara is clueless about it, especially when we think about his status within the clan. If he somehow didn’t know, and he lived under a rock, I don’t see why he wouldn’t be caught. Granted we have never actually seen him under pressure, but the guy sure seem delusional.

Also Kabuto simply outmaneuvered Itachi because he knew Itachi would go for Sasuke, even though Sasuke never was the intended target. Itachi even apologized afterwards- after Sasuke saved him. I don’t believe Sasuke was a liability at all, Itachi just didn’t trust him and as I said none of this would have been possible without him.

 

[Anub]

lol bitch, pls.

reread manga dude, I know its somewhat confusing but try again.

Oh look it's that Nagato fanboy. Say 'hi' everybody.

Where can I read Hashirama is the strongests?

In the manga.
I haven't got enough time right now to look up the exact fragment where Kabuto called Hashirama the strongest shinobi, so I will just use this for now :

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Hope that's enough.

 

[Draegod]

Oh look it's that Nagato fanboy. Say 'hi' everybody.



In the manga.
I haven't got enough time right now to look up the exact fragment where Kabuto called Hashirama the strongest shinobi, so I will just use this for now :

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Hope that's enough.

Kabuto and Tobi and madara called him the "best" shinobi. Whats his name (naruto's first mentor) said Sarutobi was known as the "STRONGEST HOKAGE" not best ninja/shinobi. We have about 4 ninjas in the manga saying Hashirama was known as the best shinobi(ninja), but as hokage sarutobi was the strongest at his "JOB" so to speak.

Too totally different situations. For example:
Michael jordan was known as the best basketball player ever, but Karem was known as the best big man at his position ever. Same "world" but one is the best period, and the other is the best at what he does.

 

[blazekev90]

but still he's using other to power up himself, just like kabuto




what i mean is nagato before meeting naruto, now nagato is a good guy and not deluded anymore

That's irrelevant to this discussion, Kabuto's tryingto be someone he isn't while Oro was simply using others for his own benefit.

 

[Blaze Release]

Actually whilst that isnt the aim of the technique it has successfully worked in a fight. Also i dont believe you understand how it works or you might be trying to convince the people who have no idea.

Its basically said that the only way to escape it is if you acknowledge yourself. The reason its effective against kabuto is because although it can be broken ones youve accepted youself for people like kabuto it may take quiet some time to do this. For people like naruto for he might be able to accept himself at lot quicker than kabuto for example, but he still has no real idea what he is supposed to do. Itachi gave kabuto a hint of what he is supposed to do.

Anyway it can be used against anybody and whilst it may or may not take them long to acknowledged themselves trapped in that illusion, he is standing stationary and at any time can be killed.

Need not get it twisted though itachi shits on both the opponents you loaded before izanami and he still has the technique in his arsenal to gamble if needed.

 

[ClashinDevestation]

its a take-a-timeout jutsu

 

[siyo]

In the manga.
I haven't got enough time right now to look up the exact fragment where Kabuto called Hashirama the strongest shinobi, so I will just use this for now :

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Hope that's enough.

Are you trying to use ABC logic in Naruto? That logic doesn’t work in Naruto; Dan merely said that Hashirama was the only one who could defeat Madara, which is no surprise when Madara can summon the Kyuubi at will i.e. Hashirama had the tools to defeat him, but he is still,overall, inferior to Hiruzen.

 

[siyo]

Actually whilst that isnt the aim of the technique it has successfully worked in a fight. Also i dont believe you understand how it works or you might be trying to convince the people who have no idea.

Its basically said that the only way to escape it is if you acknowledge yourself. The reason its effective against kabuto is because although it can be broken ones youve accepted youself for people like kabuto it may take quiet some time to do this. For people like naruto for he might be able to accept himself at lot quicker than kabuto for example, but he still has no real idea what he is supposed to do. Itachi gave kabuto a hint of what he is supposed to do.

Anyway it can be used against anybody and whilst it may or may not take them long to acknowledged themselves trapped in that illusion, he is standing stationary and at any time can be killed.

Need not get it twisted though itachi shits on both the opponents you loaded before izanami and he still has the technique in his arsenal to gamble if needed.

You are merely speculated bro, I showed you Itachi's words.Nothing more nothing less.

 

[Blaze Release]

You are merely speculated bro, I showed you Itachi's words.Nothing more nothing less.

Not speculating if anything that can be said about you. Its been made clear that its effective against people like kabuto because it will take them time to accept themselves.

Just because its effective against kabtuo doesnt mean it isnt effective against jiraiya for example. If casted it might take him even longer than what its taking kabuto to accept himself especially if he has no idea how the technique works or what he is supposed to do.

Whilst in the illusion, kabuto can be killed

 

[Dolpha Mihawk]

agreed with blaze actually look at kabuto he is left stationary and defenceless. even if he could break out.

minato and jiraya could break out but itachi could easily kill them in the time it takes, face it bro youv'e made many threads to try and downgrade itachi, but each one of them is pretty much an epic fail. sorry

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

The use of Izanami was not to defeat opponents...did you not see that picture? Re-read the chapter and then you'l understand

 

[TheGr8Uchiha]

How is Izanami useless in combat? Kabuto is staying still and if Itachi's intentions were to KILL Kabuto instead of releasing Edo Tensei... Kabuto would be dead by now.

 

[blazekev90]

Actually whilst that isnt the aim of the technique it has successfully worked in a fight. Also i dont believe you understand how it works or you might be trying to convince the people who have no idea.

Its basically said that the only way to escape it is if you acknowledge yourself. The reason its effective against kabuto is because although it can be broken ones youve accepted youself for people like kabuto it may take quiet some time to do this. For people like naruto for he might be able to accept himself at lot quicker than kabuto for example, but he still has no real idea what he is supposed to do. Itachi gave kabuto a hint of what he is supposed to do.

Anyway it can be used against anybody and whilst it may or may not take them long to acknowledged themselves trapped in that illusion, he is standing stationary and at any time can be killed.

Need not get it twisted though itachi shits on both the opponents you loaded before izanami and he still has the technique in his arsenal to gamble if needed.

It still remains quite useless in a fight, especially without prior background info on the individual.

 

[Draegod]

Not speculating if anything that can be said about you. Its been made clear that its effective against people like kabuto because it will take them time to accept themselves.

Just because its effective against kabtuo doesnt mean it isnt effective against jiraiya for example. If casted it might take him even longer than what its taking kabuto to accept himself especially if he has no idea how the technique works or what he is supposed to do.

Whilst in the illusion, kabuto can be killed

But what you fail to realize is itachi had info and ammo so to speak on kabuto because of all the talking about his past and him wanting to be accepted by any means neccisary.

On a ninja like jman, he wouldnt even know what to set in izanami because he doesnt know jman or alot of other ninjas.

Not you, but many of your other followers think he can say some "just die already" or "let me win" type of situation which isnt true. That is KOTO's ability. This jutsu wa sonly effective on kabuto because he knew what to set as the key so to speak. And the FACT sasuke helped him achieve the activation.

It took time to get the jutsu off, and team work. It was no way close to itachi successfully activating the tech by himself. In a one on one fight no elite ninja would give him the time to activate it, plus the fact it has to be the right situation and itachi has to have no other choice.

 

[siyo]

Not speculating if anything that can be said about you. Its been made clear that its effective against people like kabuto because it will take them time to accept themselves.

Just because its effective against kabtuo doesnt mean it isnt effective against jiraiya for example. If casted it might take him even longer than what its taking kabuto to accept himself especially if he has no idea how the technique works or what he is supposed to do.

Whilst in the illusion, kabuto can be killed

I have the manga to support my claim. Please show me yours….

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You’re assuming that the target needs to consciously break out the jutsu when the technique could very well be broken subconsciously the moment the target realizes his destiny- if the target here has a identity crisis.

If the destiny is already straight, e.g. Minato or jiraiya, it very well could be broken on contact which is why it would be foolish to use the technique. Otherwise it makes no sense at all, because why would the user of Izanami not use it every battle so he could get the advantage?

 

[Blaze Release]

It still remains quite useless in a fight, especially without prior background info on the individual.

At the highlighted part, im certain if anybody had prior knowledge on the individual it was kabuto on the uchiha's. Its funny how you say its useless in a fight yet as we see its successful in one.

I think you people think its only successful on arrogant people or people who try to be someone else. Its true in their case it would work best, but that doesnt mean when casted it cannot work on anybody else after its been said ones you accept yourself you break it.

How long might it be for somebody with no knowledge even know what the technique is about for them to formulate the idea of accepting themselves to break free

 

[Dolpha Mihawk]

oh yah this chapter also has prooven that itachi can counter swamp of the underworld.

 

[Draegod]

I have the manga to support my claim. Please show me yours….

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You’re assuming that the target needs to consciously break out the jutsu when the technique could very well be broken subconsciously the moment the target realizes his destiny- if the target here has a identity crisis.

If the destiny is already straight, e.g. Minato or jiraiya, it very well could be broken on contact which is why it would be foolish to use the technique. Otherwise it makes no sense at all, because why would the user of Izanami not use it every battle so he could get the advantage?

Exactly!!!!!!!! They fail to realize this! Why not use it on the Tobi or other opponents like HASHIRAMA OR TOBIRAMA OR DANZOU AND THE VILLAGE ELDERS OR ON ITACHI WHEN HE WAS KILLING THEM AT THAT NIGHT!

 

[siyo]

Exactly!!!!!!!! They fail to realize this! Why not use it on the Tobi or other opponents like HASHIRAMA OR TOBIRAMA OR DANZOU AND THE VILLAGE ELDERS OR ON ITACHI WHEN HE WAS KILLING THEM AT THAT NIGHT!

HAHA, called damage control.The uchiha clan, besides a few like Shisui and Itachi, would all use it to further their goals.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

That's irrelevant to this discussion, Kabuto's tryingto be someone he isn't while Oro was simply using others for his own benefit.

exactly he was pushing his limit by using other mean to achieve his goal whatever it takes, that alone is corrupt and put him in the same category with that izanagi user