Ppl think Tobi > Madara? What?
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Madara Hokage
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Berserker rage
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For all of you that don't know Tobi is actually Obito that's why he only has the sharingan in his right eye
Doesn't make sense Tobi attacked Konoha roughly 16 years prior to where the current manga is set and it seems like Obito dies like 5 or so years prior to that so how does Obito come back all grown up with kurama in 5 years?
Dark Artist
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madara is overrated
people are dumb enough to realize how different edo madara comparing to real madara
real madara doesnt has rinnegan and hashirama cells
madara without rinnegan and hashirama cells
he doesn't stand a chance against current tobi who has sharingan and rinnegan
and is fast enough for madara the guy can control 7 bijus in one time
space time jutsu = no counter for it
people are dumb enough to realize how different edo madara comparing to real madara
real madara doesnt has rinnegan and hashirama cells
madara without rinnegan and hashirama cells
he doesn't stand a chance against current tobi who has sharingan and rinnegan
and is fast enough for madara the guy can control 7 bijus in one time
space time jutsu = no counter for it
Berserker rage
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It can't surpress Mazo if its intangible. Tobi can turn himself and Mazo intangible and just escape the Mokuton.
Madara died shortly after gaining the Rinnegan, so we can't say if he can use it or not.
To escape CT, Tobi can turn Gedo Mazo intangible too, and/or cast his own CT. Hell, Gedo Mazo can destroy CT with a few TBBs.
really doubt it man you also have to explain how the hell he survived half his body being crushed and then the rest of it being buried under those big rocks plus how the hell did he learn space time and learn how to control kurama? Obito was the "black sheep" of the uchiha clan meaning that he was pretty shit compared to the rest. Tobi is more likely to be Izuna than Obito. But I still think he is not even Uchiha otherwise I'm sure he would have gotten himself some EMS.
hmm...me thinks madara>tobi:flaw:...even if tobi does have the s/t jutsu and that no physical attack can touch him...he still needs to solidify in order to attack...and in the naruto world even a few seconds is enough for a high class sinobi to land a counter attack...and i believe madara has a lot up his sleeves
yes this was my point too every time tobi comes up for the s/t madara shinra tensei or something else without hand seals I believe he has the reflexes to do this but others in this thread don't that's pretty much what it boils down to. As for the situation with gedo mazo and the bijuus IMO Madara has the potential to wrestle control of them from Tobi since he has the same eyes.
meatsworth1
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tobi cant beat madera or he would have killed kabuto as soon as he seen madera he had to back down or he would get pwned and people say he can just warp anybody thats stupid he could not warp minato or konan they both put his warping move to shame and i think madera would be able to beat konan and minato lets not forget guys madera has rinnegan to tobis reaction when he seen madera the first time he seen him says it all
EYES OF ITACHI
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if madara cant hit him how can he defeat him....also tobi can just it madara wit 6 tbb or just warp in a volcano or something
EYES OF ITACHI
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if madara cant hit him how can he defeat him....also tobi can just hit madara wit 6 tbb or just warp in a volcano or something
Tobi's ethereal runs out after 5 mins of use, Tobi is not warping Madara anywhere due skill and rinnegan techs, Madara's eyes > Tobi's so it is likely he can controll the bijuu himself if not he could at least mokuton/genjutsu them
Jade Uchiha
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Ok first thing, when kabuto showed Tobi that he had Madara at his disposal for Edo tensei, ow to tobi react?
HE FREAKED OUT. Don't get me wrong he was open about it but we know from his reaction that he fears madara. If Tobi could easily diffeat Madara as some of you claim, why would he be scared of him then?
Plus while Tobi is intangible, he can't do anything else. This includes sucking in Madara withn s/t jutsu. Plus, Madara has plant of counters for that jutsu. Many ppl on here seem to think that tobis jutsu is instant or very near instant. It's not. It takes time. Madara can easily use shinra tensei. Oh well Tobi can warp himself if he runs over his 5 min intagability limit? That takes even longer than sucking somebody else in.
Madara wins mid-high difficulty
HE FREAKED OUT. Don't get me wrong he was open about it but we know from his reaction that he fears madara. If Tobi could easily diffeat Madara as some of you claim, why would he be scared of him then?
Plus while Tobi is intangible, he can't do anything else. This includes sucking in Madara withn s/t jutsu. Plus, Madara has plant of counters for that jutsu. Many ppl on here seem to think that tobis jutsu is instant or very near instant. It's not. It takes time. Madara can easily use shinra tensei. Oh well Tobi can warp himself if he runs over his 5 min intagability limit? That takes even longer than sucking somebody else in.
Madara wins mid-high difficulty
Dark Artist
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this was before tobi get the rinnegan son
plus tsunade broke madara susano with her own punch ( we talking about hax madara here rinnegan EMS and hashirama cells )
while tsunade dream about hitting tobi because she can't
no one can touch him untill now
madara is overrated
USSJ Future Trunks
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hes stronger because of his vast array of abilities that can trump madara's. mokuton wont work because tobi can absorb it or use his 7 bijuus to blast it to bits. susano sword, and amaterasu will not work because tobi can turn intangible. flower world will not work because tobi can go and hide in the ground then pop back out when pollen has dissipated. tobi knows alot about madara himself, and the senjus so i doubt he will be caught off guard by much.
i speculated that tobi himself may have mokuton of his own. and whatever that fan does. madara had it vs hashi, so maybe its of some power or importance.
third of all, he made his mask out of special armour, so he can use it like kabuto used his forehead protector in tsunade arc, deflecting attacks. hell he could take the damn thing off and use it like a handheld shield.
furthermore, the gedo statue has powerful chakra roars, and a soul sucking dragon attack. it shrugged off kitsuchis most powerful and massive attack, mountain sandwich like it was nothing.
meteor is suicide.
furthermore, tobis teleportation abilities transcend what should be humanly possible as he only needs a sharingan eye to do it, no seals or prep. minato respected that ability so greatly that he believed only someone who could fully harness 50% kyuubi could defeat him.
tobi already cna control kyuubi and even yagura, a perfect jin for many years with a powerful mind control genjutsu. madara hasnt shown any genjutsus. and his tsukiyomi cant defeat tobi because only itachi can manipulate time inside it.
tobi has mastery over his rinnegan already, using gedo with ease, and even controlling 7 bijuus, witht he aid of gedo's chakra chains. its possible he had it to begin with so i digress.
as a last line of defence, tobi has the fabled completed izanagi to change his destiny. he can reverse any damage done by the meteors or susano with ease as much as he wants for 10 minutes, at the cost of losing his teleporting and intangibility.
no one can defeat tobi IMO without knowing exactly how to counter his space time jutsus.
i speculated that tobi himself may have mokuton of his own. and whatever that fan does. madara had it vs hashi, so maybe its of some power or importance.
third of all, he made his mask out of special armour, so he can use it like kabuto used his forehead protector in tsunade arc, deflecting attacks. hell he could take the damn thing off and use it like a handheld shield.
furthermore, the gedo statue has powerful chakra roars, and a soul sucking dragon attack. it shrugged off kitsuchis most powerful and massive attack, mountain sandwich like it was nothing.
meteor is suicide.
furthermore, tobis teleportation abilities transcend what should be humanly possible as he only needs a sharingan eye to do it, no seals or prep. minato respected that ability so greatly that he believed only someone who could fully harness 50% kyuubi could defeat him.
tobi already cna control kyuubi and even yagura, a perfect jin for many years with a powerful mind control genjutsu. madara hasnt shown any genjutsus. and his tsukiyomi cant defeat tobi because only itachi can manipulate time inside it.
tobi has mastery over his rinnegan already, using gedo with ease, and even controlling 7 bijuus, witht he aid of gedo's chakra chains. its possible he had it to begin with so i digress.
as a last line of defence, tobi has the fabled completed izanagi to change his destiny. he can reverse any damage done by the meteors or susano with ease as much as he wants for 10 minutes, at the cost of losing his teleporting and intangibility.
no one can defeat tobi IMO without knowing exactly how to counter his space time jutsus.