Ppl think Tobi > Madara? What?

[Frikid]

Space time is not as strong as many are making out here if it was Tobi wouldnt need the Juubi because he can just absorb everyone and they will automatically lose right?

You dont even need to speed to counter space time just a long range attack that is still active if he trys to absorb you

Hashiramas Pollen would do this if he trys to absorb Madara he has to go solid...apart from the fact that Madara will probably rip him to pieces if he trys to do that

he is using 6 bijjus against a 16 year old kid.

what makes you think he will hold back against someone like madara.

he will use all the bijjus, TBB and also their rinnegan abilities .


The op is talking about madara and not edo madara.
which means EMS madara, means no jutsus related to flower world.

iff madara use meteor , which is his best technique , even then also , tobi can counter it with his S/T jutsu.

Madara don't have any technique which can't be countered by tobi.

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

tobi can beat him easily imo.

S/T , intangibility, rinnegan, 6 bijjus , gedo mazo...

too much for madara to handle.

Too much too handle? What?

Madara - Eternal Mangekyou ( With all acquired Sharingan techs ), Rinnegan, ( Rinnegan techs, along with Sharingan techs ) Mokuton, Massive and powerful chakra ( even without Edo ).

Not to mention the fact that he can fight multiple enemies at once and it can't be too much of a far cry to say he has pretty useful/powerful Genjutsu.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

he is using 6 bijjus against a 16 year old kid.

what makes you think he will hold back against someone like madara.

he will use all the bijjus, TBB and also their rinnegan abilities .


The op is talking about madara and not edo madara.
which means EMS madara, means no jutsus related to flower world.

iff madara use meteor , which is his best technique , even then also , tobi can counter it with his S/T jutsu.

Madara don't have any technique which can't be countered by tobi.

Doesn't matter which Madara it is, it'll end in a defeat for him all the same.

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

he is using 6 bijjus against a 16 year old kid.

what makes you think he will hold back against someone like madara.

he will use all the bijjus, TBB and also their rinnegan abilities .


The op is talking about madara and not edo madara.
which means EMS madara, means no jutsus related to flower world.

iff madara use meteor , which is his best technique , even then also , tobi can counter it with his S/T jutsu.

Madara don't have any technique which can't be countered by tobi.

If Tobi were to have all his paths go Bijuu mode, it would make Tobi's job alot harder to keep the Bijuu under control, and possibly give Madara a chance to take control of them.
And have ppl forgotten The Paths share vision? Tobi's S/T is Madara's biggest worry, the Bijuu can be taken care of.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Couldn't comprehend? I knew exactly what your trying to say, but a debate doesnt simply end because "you" feel what you say should end things, it doesn't work that way. I mean, you'd think, "wait, what bitch?" if some condescending d*ck named "The Eye" came to a debate thinking his initial post was supposed to rectify the entire situation. But obviously you couldn't comprehend that.

I'm not the only one who has stated that a simple S/T from Tobi is enough, numerous people on this thread have repeated that as well. Its only you and the minority for some reason who thinks Madara has the ability to counter or even last long enough for Tobi's intangibility to reach his 5 minute limit.

Oh and its "TheEye", not to be confused with another lad "The Eye".

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

I'm not the only one who has stated that a simple S/T from Tobi is enough, numerous people on this thread have repeated that as well. Its only you and the minority for some reason who thinks Madara has the ability to counter or even last long enough for Tobi's intangibility to reach his 5 minute limit.

Oh and its "TheEye", not to be confused with another lad "The Eye".

Ahhh, my bad, condescending d*ck named "TheEye". I'll rember that.

And I've addressed pretty much everyone who talked of S/T, unless I missed someone.

And lastly, minority? Save the bullshit. There were probably 2-3 more ppl debating Tobi's S/T could trump Madara, if even that many ( I still havent read everything ).

 

[Frikid]

Doesn't matter which Madara it is, it'll end in a defeat for him all the same.

yup, you are right on this but just stating what the op wanted to say.

If Tobi were to have all his paths go Bijuu mode, it would make Tobi's job alot harder to keep the Bijuu under control, and possibly give Madara a chance to take control of them.
And have ppl forgotten The Paths share vision? Tobi's S/T is Madara's biggest worry, the Bijuu can be taken care of.

so you agree with rinnegan tobi > madara ?

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

The same spores that paralysed the kages? Same again warp somewhere safe, use animal path to summon the bird and fly over, go underground...

No. The Paths are paralyzed. Madara slaughters Tobi with Susano'o.
Or bombards him with Shados Clones. Oh, is Tobi going to get intagible and warp away? Or absorb the clones? Either way, Madara will have seen Tobi's technique, and taken it into account, thus preparing himself for a possible sneak attack from Tobi & his absorbing ability with, for example, Susano'o.

 

[darthvader5666]

Madara has no counter against Tobi's Space time.

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Well, Madara can try to suck Tobi's Chakra with preta path when Tobi touches him to warp him away. Then again, Tobi can use his own preta path to suck it right back up. Hmm... wonder what would happen if they both used their preta paths on each other like that.

But yeah, from what we've seen, Madara's only option to counter Tobi warping him away is to suck up all his chakra before Tobi finishes warping Madara. Thing is, Tobi will be using his own preta path to get his chakra right back, so I don't see that happening...

And let's not forget that he was ready to fight Kabuto in chapter 521, despite knowing that Kabuto had Edo Madara.

I think Tobi with Gedo Mazo or his paths might beat Madara. Without them though, I dunno.

IMO, whether Tobi is stronger than Madara or not depends on who Tobi really is. If he's Izuna, for instance, he probably isn't. If he's the Elder Son, he probably is.

Btw, let's not forget that Tobi is pretty much the main villain, so its not out of the question for him to be stronger. Tbh, I don't think we've seen enough of either to say for certain who is stronger.

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

yup, you are right on this but just stating what the op wanted to say.





so you agree with rinnegan tobi > madara ?

Idk where you got this idea. I cant recall ever even hinting this. All I say was Tobi S/T is best weapon for Madara. The Bijuu aren't as big a problem as one would think.

Madara > Tobi

 

[TobisPawn]

I'll post here later, because surprisingly, some people think Madara can counter Tobi's S/T techs.

 

[ZeeshanAsNaruto]

dunno any shit is possible

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

I'll post here later.

NB's biggest Champion of Tobi.

I cant wait.

 

[TobisPawn]

NB's biggest Champion of Tobi.

I cant wait.

Nah, not biggest champion.

But I'll say one thing right now: We haven't seen either of the two actually show their full power yet, so these threads are pointless.

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

Nah, not biggest champion.

But I'll say one thing right now: We haven't seen either of the two actually show their full power yet, so these threads are pointless.

You know what, I've come to realise that. Too much speculation involved. But I'll still state my case with what I know as of now, and what I think will happen.

 

[Mizukage88]

I still don't see a top teir ninja like madara getting ownd by tobi's time space jutsu so easily .1 Madara prob already knows about tobi's jutsu . i mean they do know each other some how it will be reveled later on. and dosn't tobi have to turn solid for him to attack or grab any one . Anyways what i'm trying to say a fight between two high level shinobi wont end so quick and simple if that was the case naruto and bee would have been"Kidnap' by this supposed super time space jutsu. Just sayin

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

I still don't see a top teir ninja like madara getting ownd by tobi's time space jutsu so easily .1 Madara prob already knows about tobi's jutsu . i mean they do know each other some how it will be reveled later on. and dosn't tobi have to turn solid for him to attack or grab any one . Anyways what i'm trying to say a fight between two high level shinobi wont end so quick and simple if that was the case naruto and bee would have been"Kidnap' by this supposed super time space jutsu. Just sayin

My point exactly. I've been trying to say this damn near the entire thread.

Secondly, I was wondering about that. Kabuto did talk about the Fake Madara keeping the plan intact, thus sayin Madara and Tobi have an acquaintance. Whether or not saying Madara might know of Tobi s S/T is up for speculation because we dont know how well they know each other.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

he is using 6 bijjus against a 16 year old kid.

what makes you think he will hold back against someone like madara.

he will use all the bijjus, TBB and also their rinnegan abilities .


The op is talking about madara and not edo madara.
which means EMS madara, means no jutsus related to flower world.

iff madara use meteor , which is his best technique , even then also , tobi can counter it with his S/T jutsu.

Madara don't have any technique which can't be countered by tobi.

Tobi cant use Rinnegan Techniques in them because it consumes to much chakra

Madara also has the Rinnegan i wouldn't count him out being able command Gedo especially if they are his eyes to begin with

He said Madara and he clearly means Edo Madara because EMS Madara isnt strong enough to take on Tobi with Nagatos Rinnegan

Edo Madara would beat Tobi the only thing you can say is space time which is pathetic tbh.This is Madara were talking about hes not a low tier Shinobi hes about as strong as they come and the way that i say it is Kishimoto stated Pain to be stronger then Tobi.Pain is not know really for his speed but yet hes still stronger it all comes down to Tobi going solid which Madara has a variety of moves to destroy him.

Couldn't Madara make 25 wood clones to suppress the Bjuu though?

 

[Raito]

@CTB, Tobi was also able control 6 Bijus by using the Rinnegans Outer-Path. Don't matter about the chakra consume. But I agree Madara is the strongest being for now since he combines the Rinnegan, the EMS and the Mokuton. And don't lie to yourself, you know as well that Madaras eye power is greater since he has awaken the Rinnegan by reaching the Sharingans limit - he can use both eye powers and demonstrated it by pulling meteors from the heaven.

 

[Lt Fresh]

For me Madara just not fast enough to counter Tobi's S/T jutsu. Plus adding in the fact he has 6 jins along with him that can go full beast just adds in more fire power. I don't think the Rinnegan can match a full TBB let alone a 5xTBB