Edo Tensei Shisui Uchiha

[iSpeak]

About sasori i was using YOUR logic because i don't think you were right. If it's as you said, and they come back at the age the dna was taken, then sasori would be in his late 20's or 30's. But he's not. He comes back as a 16 year old, the same as his puppet body when he died. I'm just saying. There are too many holes in Edo Tensei and they'll never be filled. Haha. I see what you mean though. It's a tough one.

But using your logic, he should have been brought back at an older age aswell... so I don't know why you tried to use that to prove me wrong.
Either Kabuto resurrected Sasori from dna he had when he was still at that age, or the Edo Tensei brings him back as he was when his whole body was in tact. Neither contradicts with my theory anyway.

 

[ReapTermin]

But using your logic, he should have been brought back at an older age aswell... so I don't know why you tried to use that to prove me wrong.
Either Kabuto resurrected Sasori from dna he had when he was still at that age, or the Edo Tensei brings him back as he was when his whole body was in tact. Neither contradicts with my theory anyway.

Dude... from Naruto Wiki: "Then dust and ash encase the sacrifice's body, giving them the same appearance that the revived had at the time of their death."

Read under Conditions on the 2nd Paragraph.

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[iSpeak]

Now your're making stuff up to prove your theory. Think. It was stated that Tobirama and Hashirama were in their Prime when Orochimaru revived them. And think about Sasori; when he died he was a puppet, right? But why was he a human when Kabuto revived him? It's all about the soul. I think that the DNA is used as a medium and a marker. It basically tells the Edo Tensei what soul to bring back and at what body it should go to.

I don't have a lot of info on Edo Tensei, but this is what I think.

I don't remember it ever saying they were ressurected in their prime... you going to have to show me the Manga page for me to believe it.
I have already answered the Sasori question in the above post.

 

[iSpeak]

Dued... from Naruto Wiki: "Then dust and ash encase the sacrifice's body, giving them the same appearance that the revived had at the time of their death."

Read under Conditions on the 2nd Paragraph.

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I couldn't care less what Naruto.wiki says... do you realise it is written by people like me and you? Obviously once they find out it is not true, they will change it. Just like how they changed Tobi from being Madara.
Show me in the Manga were it says they are brought back how they died.
And answer me why Madara was brought back young and in his prime?
Im going out ill answer when I get back.

 

[ReapTermin]

I don't remember it ever saying they were ressurected in their prime... you going to have to show me the Manga page for me to believe it.
I have already answered the Sasori question in the above post.

Just read my previous post. It seems that Hashirama and Tobirama died in their Prime. That's why when they were resurrected by Orochimaru... they were in their Prime. And just look at them... do they look old or past their Prime? No. Trust me. Please.

I couldn't care less what Naruto.wiki says... do you realise it is written by people like me and you? Obviously once they find out it is not true, they will change it. Just like how they changed Tobi from being Madara.
Show me in the Manga were it says they are brought back how they died.
And answer me why Madara was brought back young and in his prime?
Im going out ill answer when I get back.

Naruto Wiki has a professional staff that do this, and they get their facts from the Manga itself. Just stop trying to throw is your damn theory and accept the fact that you're wrong.

 

[iSpeak]

Just read my previous post. It seems that Hashirama and Tobirama died in their Prime. That's why when they were resurrected by Orochimaru... they were in their Prime. And just look at them... do they look old or past their Prime? No. Trust me. Please.

"It seems". I said show me where it says that! If you can't, then stop lying. We know when Tobirama died, but we don't know when Hashirama died. Anyway, even if they were resurrected like that, it means that Orochimaru took their dna after they died. Kabuto went grave robbing, which means he took most of the dna after they had died, which is why most of them look how they looked when they died. Like I said, tell me why Madara was revived younger than he died then.

Naruto Wiki has a professional staff that do this, and they get their facts from the Manga itself. Just stop trying to throw is your damn theory and accept the fact that you're wrong.

WTF? Now your just talking rubbish. If they get it from the Manga, then show me where it says that in the Manga. It doesn't matter how long it takes, ill wait.
You accept that you are wrong... you cant even prove it.

 

[ReapTermin]

"It seems". I said show me where it says that! If you can't, then stop lying. We know when Tobirama died, but we don't know when Hashirama died. Anyway, even if they were resurrected like that, it means that Orochimaru took their dna after they died. Kabuto went grave robbing, which means he took most of the dna after they had died, which is why most of them look how they looked when they died. Like I said, tell me why Madara was revived younger than he died then.



WTF? Now your just talking rubbish. If they get it from the Manga, then show me where it says that in the Manga.
You accept that you are wrong... you cant even prove it.

Nah... I'm debating on another thread. I don't feel like shuffling through the Manga. And if you don't want to believe... then don't. I have not lost a single argument on the Base.

Note: You make that thread... and you're going to look stupid.

 

[iSpeak]

Nah... I'm debating on another thread. I don't feel like shuffling through the Manga. And if you don't want to believe... then don't. I have not lost a single argument on the Base.

Note: You make that thread... and you're going to look stupid.

Don't worry about me, if I make myself look stupid then thats my problem. Atleast I can back up what I say.
You have never lost a debate? Then meet me when I create the thread and we will see who is right. I expect you to bring concrete proof to the table, as you should be used to it... never losing a debate and all.

 

[ReapTermin]

Don't worry about me, if I make myself look stupid then thats my problem. Atleast I can back up what I say.
You have never lost a debate? Then meet me when I create the thread and we will see who is right. I expect you to bring proof to the table, as you should be used to it... never losing a debate and all.

Nah... it will be the same thing over there. I might join, though.

 

[The Necromancer]

I'm just saying, there is no feasible way kabuto just found dna from madara in his prime, and seeing as how he lived for another 50 or so years after the age in which he was resurrected, i think it's safe to say that edo tensei contradicts itself. Especially since nagato was brought back in the state he died without kabuto collecting dna from that time. And before you say he took his blood from using the Rinne Tensei, 2 drops of blood is not enough, as even an entire eye and all of the blood from 6 weapons may not be enough as kabuto explained.

 

[iSpeak]

I'm just saying, there is no feasible way kabuto just found dna from madara in his prime, and seeing as how he lived for another 50 or so years after the age in which he was resurrected, i think it's safe to say that edo tensei contradicts itself. Especially since nagato was brought back in the state he died without kabuto collecting dna from that time. And before you say he took his blood from using the Rinne Tensei, 2 drops of blood is not enough, as even an entire eye and all of the blood from 6 weapons may not be enough as kabuto explained.

No, the Manga isn't contradicting itself... because it has never been said that they are revived how they died. People just made that up. Following my theory, it makes perfect sense. If I took your dna at the age of 5 years old, how would it know the state you died in? Does that make sense to you? Obviously that isn't the rule.
If Kabuto is able to get dna from Nagato... then whats to stop him finding dna from when Madara was younger? And using your theory, explain to me why he wasn't brought back at the age he died? I can explain it perfectly.
Tell me where else Kabuto could have got Nagato's dna? He was hidden all his life... even the people in his own village didn't know what he actually looked like. He used the 6 paths of pain to talk through the Akatsuki. After he died, his body was so well hidden by Konan that Tobi had to fight to the death just to find his location. The only place Kabuto could have got Nagato's dna is from the blood after using Rinne Tensei. Even if he somehow got it after he died, it still wouldn't contradict with my theory anyway...
Of course 2 drops of blood is enough... all you need is their dna. Kabuto never said there might not be enough dna on the 6 paths weapons and the eye. Reread it. All he said is that it should still carry their dna.

 

[The Necromancer]

No, the Manga isn't contradicting itself... because it has never been said that they are revived how they died. People just made that up. Following my theory, it makes perfect sense. If I took your dna at the age of 5 years old, how would it know the state you died in? Does that make sense to you? Obviously that isn't the rule.
If Kabuto is able to get dna from Nagato... then whats to stop him finding dna from when Madara was younger? And using your theory, explain to me why he wasn't brought back at the age he died? I can explain it perfectly.
Tell me where else Kabuto could have got Nagato's dna? He was hidden all his life... even the people in his own village didn't know what he actually looked like. He used the 6 paths of pain to talk through the Akatsuki. After he died, his body was so well hidden by Konan that Tobi had to fight to the death just to find his location. The only place Kabuto could have got Nagato's dna is from the blood after using Rinne Tensei. Even if he somehow got it after he died, it still wouldn't contradict with my theory anyway...
Of course 2 drops of blood is enough... all you need is their dna. Kabuto never said there might not be enough dna on the 6 paths weapons and the eye. Reread it. All he said is that it should still carry their dna.

Ok. That might be true. But theoretically if kabuto were to use shisui's eye as the dna, shisui would come back with no eyes, as the eye was still active after shisui's death and so is older than shisui was when he died, meaning shisui will come back in the latest part of his life, when he had no eyes.

 

[Ryuu..]

Interms of bringing them back as they were, it's a bit dodgy. The only person brought back in the exact state as they were when they died was Nagato. Notice, Itachi was no longer blind and Kakuzu's Chakra netwrok was no longer destroyed. I actually believe that the reason Nagato was the only one not restored properly was because his Chakra was depleted when he used Rinne Tensei. I think it is most reasonable to suggest Edo Tensei just brings back a person in a normal, standard state.

 

[iSpeak]

Ok. That might be true. But theoretically if kabuto were to use shisui's eye as the dna, shisui would come back with no eyes, as the eye was still active after shisui's death and so is older than shisui was when he died, meaning shisui will come back in the latest part of his life, when he had no eyes.

I already explained that every edo is brought back with all of their abilities, including Kekkei Genkai's. Read my second post on page 1. No matter what happened to Shisui's eyes before he died, he would still be revived with them because they are his ability. That is what Edo Tensei does.

 

[The Necromancer]

I already explained that every edo is brought back with all of their abilities, including Kekkei Genkai's. Read my second post on page 1. No matter what happened to Shisui's eyes before he died, he would still be revived with them because they are his ability. That is what Edo Tensei does.

Nagato's rinnegan was given to him. It was not his originally. So if a KG can be brought back in a person who wasn't born with it, it can be argued that they can be brought back without their KG if it was taken away.

 

[iSpeak]

Nagato's rinnegan was given to him. It was not his originally. So if a KG can be brought back in a person who wasn't born with it, it can be argued that they can be brought back without their KG if it was taken away.

Not just Kekkei Genkai's... they are brought back with all abilities. It doesn't matter if it was given to him, it has become part of his dna so it counts as his ability. Kin and Gin were brought back with the 9 tails chakra. Madara was brought back with his EMS. Hanzo was brought back with his implanted venom sack etc.

 

[SuperSonicTails]

+rep

 

[Prime Rib]

so many dumb people on naruto base, shisui cannot be bring back, why? cause he destroyed his corpse from ever being brought back

 

[The Necromancer]

so many dumb people on naruto base, shisui cannot be bring back, why? cause he destroyed his corpse from ever being brought back

Yeah. Not talking about that, idiot. Read next time.