Who said Hiruzen was the strongest???

[Owarij]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

That I know. LOL But didn't SM Naruto grab Kurama by the tail and slam him on the ground? Unless my memory is playing tricks on me.

Yea i do remember something like that , i'll have to go reread it t,.t

 

[shinobu sensui]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

"prime" hiruzen doesn't exists ,that is all. Saying that he can beat the first hokage is like saying shishu is faster than minato because he is known for his body flicker jutsu. A claim that could be true but Is most likely not . "prime hiruzen is only as strong as your imagination allows him to be.

 

[ReapTermin]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

Yea i do remember something like that , i'll have to go reread it t,.t

And that was 50% of the original Kurama, and Hiruzen moved 100% of Kurama.

At this rate... Prime Hiruzen takes on Madara and Hashirama at the same time. LOL

 

[Sage of Infinity Paths]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

I think Prime Itachi > Prime Hiruzen

 

[Owarij]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

"prime" hiruzen doesn't exists ,that is all. Saying that he can beat the first hokage is like saying shishu is faster than minato because he is known for his body flicker jutsu. A claim that could be true but Is most likely not . "prime hiruzen is only as strong as your imagination allows him to be.

That must have been the worst analogy I've ever seen in my life...

Sishui is known for body flicker, Do you know why? Is it speed? his skill? Does he has a unique way of doing it.. We can't assume anything like that,,
And even if it was for speed..

Understand this one concept. Nothing is faster than space/time. When you understand that, you'll understand why your logic is wrong. Shishui could have very well been faster than base minato.... But he was not faster than minato...Not only that but juxtaposing something as vague as a moniker with someones confirmed speed, Is no where near the same as using manga statements that state a specific thing..

For eg, Sakumo hatake and Kakashi.

If Tsunade stated that whitefang was faster than kakashi... What's there to dispute really? This is hop kishi uses hype in the manga.. Not everything is correct... But when Sunagakure elders say that the third kazekage was by far the strongest kazekage they ever had.... Would you deny that?

I think Prime Itachi > Prime Hiruzen

Itachi never reached his prime.. Prime is like 40.. Itachi was only 21.. him and Minato were young and still had potential to learn more jutsu and get stronger..

If you are referring to itachi's prime state between birth and death, then his prime is still not really guessible, since he was plagued with sickness, and at 21 was a walking dead man..

 

[ReapTermin]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

I think Prime Itachi > Prime Hiruzen

If Prime Hiruzen has a high chance of defeating Hashirama... do you really think Prime Itachi poses any threat to Prime Hiruzen?

 

[Enton]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

With possibly the most obvious fact ever pointed out in the manga, Hiruzen remains the strongest hokage.

 

[YourMom]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

Iruka clearly stated he was the stronger Kage because of the generation in which he was raised. He used a generation bias to illustrate hiruzens strength.

 

[shinobu sensui]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

That must have been the worst analogy I've ever seen in my life...

Sishui is known for body flicker, Do you know why? Is it speed? his skill? Does he has a unique way of doing it.. We can't assume anything like that,,
And even if it was for speed..

Understand this one concept. Nothing is faster than space/time. When you understand that, you'll understand why your logic is wrong. Shishui could have very well been faster than base minato.... But he was not faster than minato...Not only that but juxtaposing something as vague as a moniker with someones confirmed speed, Is no where near the same as using manga statements that state a specific thing..

For eg, Sakumo hatake and Kakashi.

If Tsunade stated that whitefang was faster than kakashi... What's there to dispute really? This is hop kishi uses hype in the manga.. Not everything is correct... But when Sunagakure elders say that the third kazekage was by far the strongest kazekage they ever had.... Would you deny that?


Itachi never reached his prime.. Prime is like 40.. Itachi was only 21.. him and Minato were young and still had potential to learn more jutsu and get stronger..

If you are referring to itachi's prime state between birth and death, then his prime is still not really guessible, since he was plagued with sickness, and at 21 was a walking dead man..

Sigh , prime hiruzen has no feats that proves that he is strong as people believe, you're saying itachi and minato never got to their prime right? You cannot say what they, or hiruzen can do in their prime cause "prime" hiruzen hasn't been shown. And according to you neither has minatos or itachi's , I can easily then say that "prime" minato can beat any one but there's a proble with that cause "prime" minato doesn't exist according to you

 

[YourMom]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

I was simply speaking on his strength. You can't credit hiruzen for pushing the nine tails out of konoha, that was his staff that did that not him. I go back to my argument about trying to clone the firsts powers. If hiruzen was THAT powerful everyone would be trying to steal his DNA and copy HIS powers.

 

[Owarij]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

Sigh , prime hiruzen has no feats that proves that he is strong as people believe, you're saying itachi and minato never got to their prime right? You cannot say what they, or hiruzen can do in their prime cause "prime" hiruzen hasn't been shown. And according to you neither has minatos or itachi's , I can easily then say that "prime" minato can beat any one but there's a proble with that cause "prime" minato doesn't exist according to you

What are you talking about? Prime minato never existed since he died in his 20's..

Prime hiruzen happened.. He ran konoha for years,,

Are you also going to sit here and say so6p doesn't exist?
Hashirama doesn't exist?
Hatake Sakumo didn't exist?

Since they never existed you'd agree that Whitefang < ten ten right?

:sy:

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

That match is a toss up but i think the 1st have it in skill but reaper death seal is something the first cant see and its a 1 hit ko

 

[YourMom]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

Prime is mid to late 20s generally btw.

 

[Owarij]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

Prime is mid to late 20s generally btw.

Ofcourse not... Prime is 40 etc....
Kakashi even said himself that he's 30 and he wasn't in his prime yet.. he was still young and had lots more jutsu to learn...


Minato would have been in his late 20's ... 27 etc, and jiraya and tsunade both said he died young and didn;t live up to his talent

A perfect example would be the sannin... When they fought hanzo they were all in their 20's , and got defeated... They are NOTHING like what they were after that ..in which each of them could solo hanzo essentially.. (not tsunade)

 

[Abon]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

Hiruzen is no God until proven by Kishi. We must see him fight.

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Exactly, We need proof FirstU_U

 

[Unorthodox]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

hiruzen weak

 

[Owarij]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

Exactly, We need proof FirstU_U

How funny.. Do you need proof to know s06p > ten ten?

Or after Minato said this

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do you need proof to know that white fang > sakura?

You don't need to claim you need proof, because as i've said before, most members who say that are just being Hypocrits.. as they would never answer the above questions with the weaker ninja... You just like hashirama or who ever better, so you rather disregard his hype and keep all the others right?

 

[shinobu sensui]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

Things are said in the manga that are proven to be lies allllll the time. According to words amaratsu can't be dodged, and we all have seen that statement be proven wrong

 

[Tripwire]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

Hiruzen > First. The end. The only reason it looks like Hashi and tobirama werent at full power in part 1 was because. In part 1 the fighting style was different. It was mostly based on real martial arts techniques. Now in Shipudden Kishi was all like screw martial arts let me just come up with OP techs...you barely see any hand to hand fighting combat anymore just tech spamming and who ever has the strongest one wins. So yes Hiruzen is the best he just happened to have died before part so now he looks like a weaker kage then the 1st and 2nd. But to be honest like most people said he was taught by the 1st and 2nd and mastered many techs. So he was defenetly above Hashi in power while in his prime. No questions asked.

 

[shinobu sensui]

Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

What are you talking about? Prime minato never existed since he died in his 20's..

Prime hiruzen happened.. He ran konoha for years,,

Are you also going to sit here and say so6p doesn't exist?
Hashirama doesn't exist?
Hatake Sakumo didn't exist?

Since they never existed you'd agree that Whitefang < ten ten right?

:sy:

Your not even making sense any more, but you can have your opinion , I have mine I only base hiruzen from what I saw, not what could have been