Lucas trolled Yoda big time

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In movie 3 (revenge of the sith), Sidious hit Yoda with a full force lighting shock at the beginning of their battle. Based on this, Lucas made it seem like Yoda had never seen the tech before, never heard about it being used, and essentially had no idea any person could use such a tech. Hence why he was so caught off guard and was hit so hard by it.

But in movie 2, Dooku uses it on Yoda and Yoda was able to anticipate it, absorb it, and even counter it with perfect precision. This implies he not only was aware of the tech and knew exactly how to counter it, but also anticipated the fact that Dooku might use it against him.

Conclusion? Either Lucas made a huge mistake and forgot that he had Yoda counter it in movie 2, or he seriously trolled Yoda in movie 3 for shock and awe purposes. Because if he knew Dooku could use it, he would surely know that Sidious, his master, could use it too. Thoughts?
 

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Maybe it's the plot.
Very well could be, but if thats true, than Lucas did troll him big time, ie for shock and awe purposes.

I never said he forgot, but age gets to you.

He would of gotten weaker from fighting dooku

And the stress of feeling so many jedi and stuff die...
Weaker? I don't think you could provide any evidence that his battle with Dooku weakened him... considering he took no damage from it.

And the stress about things dieing.... I think it was quite clear that Yoda was in perfect control even a short time after the incident. Remember when he was meditating and Bail Organa (Leya's adopted father) interrupted him? I think Yoda was a master of control, his emotions included.
 

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Very well could be, but if thats true, than Lucas did troll him big time, ie for shock and awe purposes.



Weaker? I don't think you could provide any evidence that his battle with Dooku weakened him... considering he took no damage from it.

And the stress about things dieing.... I think it was quite clear that Yoda was in perfect control even a short time after the incident. Remember when he was meditating and Bail Organa (Leya's adopted father) interrupted him? I think Yoda was a master of control, his emotions included.
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Your attitude is so... childish...

Anyway might as well reply before i sleep.

You don't have to take damage to become weaker. Him being over 900 anyway, he was old and weak compared to what he could be. Anyway, if you're old and in fight, say your an old man and you fight someone, even if you don't get hurt, the fight itself tires you out, and this can effect your body more in the long run. Yody fought on par with dooku, then he stopped that pillar falling which looked like it strained him alot. When you're old that can effect you in the long run. This is what i'm saying.

You say he was a master in control, but i think i remember, when all the jedi were dying, he dropped his staff and reached for his heart?(or something like this) You could tell it was hurting him.

And yes this is still a film.

I thought you posted this for a discussion but you don't seem very open about it.
 

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Your attitude is so... childish...

Anyway might as well reply before i sleep.

You don't have to take damage to become weaker. Him being over 900 anyway, he was old and weak compared to what he could be. Anyway, if you're old and in fight, say your an old man and you fight someone, even if you don't get hurt, the fight itself tires you out, and this can effect your body more in the long run. Yody fought on par with dooku, then he stopped that pillar falling which looked like it strained him alot. When you're old that can effect you in the long run. This is what i'm saying.

You say he was a master in control, but i think i remember, when all the jedi were dying, he dropped his staff and reached for his heart?(or something like this) You could tell it was hurting him.

And yes this is still a film.

I thought you posted this for a discussion but you don't seem very open about it.
..... The childish comment was not needed. Try posting more detailed responses, like you just did, the first time rather than leaving your arguments really basic and open for improper interpretation....

Anyhow, you make a good point that an old person could be affected significantly even if they don't take any actual damage, but my point was that Yoda did not show any long term difference after the battle when compared to before it.

Yoda always walked with a hunched back and somewhat crippled step. The battle with Dooku resulted in no significant difference in his walking capability. Other than that, its hard to say whether or not he actually suffered any other long term damage from the battle. My point about him being old is that he is sooo old, that its likely he is so stoic that 1 battle, no matter how severe, would not likely effect him as much as you would think in terms of a normal old person. My whole point was that he was no ordinary old person, clearly.

And the bit about him suffering from the deaths, I know he suffered a lot, he clearly showed signs comparable to a minor heart attack. But that was mostly emotional and psychological pain, a result of him being so interconnected with all life around him. Now you could easily say that this could be a significant reason that he got weaker as a result.... but don't forget that Yoda was also a master of dealing with this kind of loss.

I mean he basically founded the entire Jedi order as we know it, and the number one rule is that attachment is a weakness and that whenever someone close to you dies, you do not grieve. Rather, you rejoice at them becoming part of the force. For this reason, I could conclude that Yoda is absolutely the best at realizing this loss and putting it behind him for the better. By this, I'm implying that this would not cause him to become any weaker in the long run, when compared to his fighting capability.

Despite all this, I still feel that Yoda should have been able to absorb Sidious' lighting if he was aware he could use it. Because no matter how much theoretical damage Yoda suffered prior to that, he should have still have had his sense of preparation and concentration imo, when it came to battle, that he always had.
 
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if i remember, it was a common theme in the 3rd movie that the Jedi were aware that they the light side of the Force was being overwhelmed by the Dark side of the Force. I seem to remember Yoda and either Mace Windu or Obi-Wan talking about how they are having trouble connecting to the Light side of the Force due to the strengthening of the Dark side.

Due to that, a Jedi as connected to the Force as Yoda is he would be feeling a lot of stress and other contributing factors. Plus he came straight from the wookie planet to find out that Anakin had not only betrayed the Jedi order but slaughtered all of those little kids. No matter how emotionally in control one is, he would still be saddened and feel the effects on that.

you have to remember that the Force is what gives a Jedi or a Sith their power. If the Force is pushed more towards the Dark side, than thats going to give a Sith Lord more power and vice versa if the force is more towards the light side.
 
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