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[TobiIsYourMom]

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Kewl, at least we agree on something. I think that tobi is someone we know but it's gonna be a shocker. I think he still is madara. All tobi kept saying is that he is a shell of his former self. And I find it funny that the manga page before he came out the coffin they showed that splitting technique that muu did . I feel like that has something to do with their plan. Also tobi got upset when he found out that kabuto brought him back trough Edo, even madara was ticked off.i think kabuto know who he really is cuz he brought back madara himself, and when he called him madara when after shown the coffin tobi calls him a smart ass.

Or nagato was an orphan and those really weren't his parents. His real father was tobi and he had him with an uzumaki chick. I don't know that sounds far fetched but just thinking outside the box.

Okay, it seems possible that Madara used the splitting technique, but the only problem is, why would Tobi wear a mask if his face looked just like that of Madara?

 

[0moi]

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That "Tobi banged an Uzumaki" theory is out there lmao AWESOME, but I think those were Nagato's real parents.... just my opinion

 

[th1s1guysays]

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What if tobi is Izuna and he found a way to stay a live by switching bodies with different hosts?
(I'm merely a shell of my former self)

Why does Zetsu need to feed on bodies? Do those bodies supply tobi with endless corpses at his disposal?

When Tobi met itachi with long hair, was he in another body, Why did he cut it? It went from short, to long and back to short.

Like orochimaru, it's very possible that Tobi found an ability to sustain life in that way. What if Tobi steals these bodies that Zetsu provides him, than cuts his hair in the same form to keep some remembrance of himself? Maybe thats why he has the mask on? So it prevents him from forgetting who he really is by all the different bodies he's switched with over the years and the only thing he needs to see to let him know its still himself is by his Sharingan?

 

[TobiIsYourMom]

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For those of you who think that Tobi is Uchiha Kagami, it's just not gonna happen. First of all, look at Kagami's eyelids, they are WAAAAAAAAY too long to be Tobi's. Second of all, Kagami has absolutely NO relevance to the story WHATSOEVER. He is way too random to be Tobi. The only thing he's got going for him is a couple of coincidences.

 

[0moi]

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danzou does not have S/T = Shisui Uchiha eye does not give one S/T= TObi used S/T vs minato.

Therefore, your theory is wrong. if you refute this with facts and i might take a look at your theory. Dont use your assumptions to say shisui had S/T or that was the flicker because minato clearly said it was S/T. And tobi almost sucked minato.

show me a page in the manga where it shows that shisui had S/T or how his flicker looked like. If you cannot dont bother replying because you are wrong.

Chief S/T is not just 1 jutsu, its a type of technique, Kamui, & Thunder God Technique are S/T so please stop saying it like its 1 move...

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

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Chief S/T is not just 1 jutsu, its a type of technique, Kamui, & Thunder God Technique are S/T so please stop saying it like its 1 move...

tobi S/T has not been named. what do you want me to call it?! kamui LOL anyways show me where danzo or shishui used S/T or dont talk.

and stop using the word chief it's annoying.

 

[nuku ninja]

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Guys no need to argue anymore

I think my theory is the one that will unmask tobi although it has been said before, I have a more detailed version. I am new to NB but not new to Naruto, so my post may look abit s*it but I do know my stuff.

I think he's Izuna, why you say? To answer this we need to look at the facts.


1. Tobi has said that the rinnengan was originally his.
2. Durring his fight with Konnan he said that only people with Uchiha and Senju DNA can use Izunagi.
3. Tobi had been waiting along time to get a chance for him to capture Kyuubi.
4. Tobi is controling 7 bijuu with the rinnengan and using other techniques which use a f*ck load of charkra

Now if Tobi was Izuna then the rinnengan ARE his eyes, only different from when he last had them. It would also cause the rinnengan to take less charkra for it's jutsus. This fills one of the requirements to be Tobi.

To get the answer to how Izuna got Senju DNA we have to go into the mind of madara.

He just unlocked a new level of Dojutsu that has been regaurded as to powerful to be real. As a leader and being in so many battles of war he would see that with the rinnengan he could force the world into peace.

But there is a problem, as said in the manga Madara dies shortly after obtaining the rinnengan. He's now on a time limit and needs to make sure he can obtain peace. So he starts to plan...

How Madara plans his rebirth:
Madara knows he will soon die and his eyes will either be lost or used in ways he wouldn't agree with. He needs someone who he can trust to look after the rinnengan and will be loyal enough to see his plan through. After a long think he knows that there is only one suitable person which is obviosly Izuna. Reasons why he thinks of Izuna is because he trained intensely with him, they unlocked MS together, became the leaders of the Uchiha together (they surely must have the same ideals) and most of all the eyes are originally Izunas. His answer is rinne tensei

So hes found the person to be the rinnengans care taker. Now Madara has the problem that his brother could be weak and could die of old age or something. So now he has to obtain a power that can sustain life well, has good healing abillities and could keep Izuna alive. He realises that Hashi has the powers he needs, which is why he fights him.

The next problem he has to solve is Izuna will be revived without a clue whats happening. His solution is creating Zetsu, he can inform Izuna on whats happened, gather intel for him, and give Izuna the Senju DNA somehow.



So how was Madara going to be brought back? Tobi is told to give Nagato the rinnengan so he would eventualy revive Madara.

But how does he do that? Is what you will you be asking. I believe that the black Zetsu is the key for Madaras revival.






Here's other evidence that supports Tobi being Izuna.

We all saw Tobi clench his arm when telling Sasuke that Izuna willingly gave up his eyes for Madara.

Izuna being Tobi would give the reason why he went to visit Naruto, asking him how he got Nagato to betray him. It srewed his plan up majorly.

Tobi's using the rinnengan right now and isn't showing any fatigue, It's because the eyes are his and they don't draw extra charkra.


Kishi has already put all the info he needs into the manga to reveal that Tobi is Izuna.

 

[phantom1]

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I myself think tobi is using obitos body. That's why his head is wrapped up, some of his body parts are made of zetsu looking stuff. Since obitos body was crushed zetsu replaced the limbs that were damaged

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

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Guys no need to argue anymore

I think my theory is the one that will unmask tobi although it has been said before, I have a more detailed version. I am new to NB but not new to Naruto, so my post may look abit s*it but I do know my stuff.

I think he's Izuna, why you say? To answer this we need to look at the facts.


1. Tobi has said that the rinnengan was originally his.
2. Durring his fight with Konnan he said that only people with Uchiha and Senju DNA can use Izunagi.
3. Tobi had been waiting along time to get a chance for him to capture Kyuubi.
4. Tobi is controling 7 bijuu with the rinnengan and using other techniques which use a f*ck load of charkra

Now if Tobi was Izuna then the rinnengan ARE his eyes, only different from when he last had them. It would also cause the rinnengan to take less charkra for it's jutsus. This fills one of the requirements to be Tobi.

To get the answer to how Izuna got Senju DNA we have to go into the mind of madara.

He just unlocked a new level of Dojutsu that has been regaurded as to powerful to be real. As a leader and being in so many battles of war he would see that with the rinnengan he could force the world into peace.

But there is a problem, as said in the manga Madara dies shortly after obtaining the rinnengan. He's now on a time limit and needs to make sure he can obtain peace. So he starts to plan...

How Madara plans his rebirth:
Madara knows he will soon die and his eyes will either be lost or used in ways he wouldn't agree with. He needs someone who he can trust to look after the rinnengan and will be loyal enough to see his plan through. After a long think he knows that there is only one suitable person which is obviosly Izuna. Reasons why he thinks of Izuna is because he trained intensely with him, they unlocked MS together, became the leaders of the Uchiha together (they surely must have the same ideals) and most of all the eyes are originally Izunas. His answer is rinne tensei

So hes found the person to be the rinnengans care taker. Now Madara has the problem that his brother could be weak and could die of old age or something. So now he has to obtain a power that can sustain life well, has good healing abillities and could keep Izuna alive. He realises that Hashi has the powers he needs, which is why he fights him.

The next problem he has to solve is Izuna will be revived without a clue whats happening. His solution is creating Zetsu, he can inform Izuna on whats happened, gather intel for him, and give Izuna the Senju DNA somehow.



So how was Madara going to be brought back? Tobi is told to give Nagato the rinnengan so he would eventualy revive Madara.

But how does he do that? Is what you will you be asking. I believe that the black Zetsu is the key for Madaras revival.






Here's other evidence that supports Tobi being Izuna.

We all saw Tobi clench his arm when telling Sasuke that Izuna willingly gave up his eyes for Madara.

Izuna being Tobi would give the reason why he went to visit Naruto, asking him how he got Nagato to betray him. It srewed his plan up majorly.

Tobi's using the rinnengan right now and isn't showing any fatigue, It's because the eyes are his and they don't draw extra charkra.


Kishi has already put all the info he needs into the manga to reveal that Tobi is Izuna.

Nice theory , but one problem I see is that Izuna died before madara fought hashi, madara had ems when he fought hashi , like to tobi said to Conan he fought for the future, I do agree wit your plan , except that I can't be Izuna, could be madara split and mixed with zetzu DNA plus hashi DNA which is why he has strong life force and able to use rinni.

The reason he wears his mask is that reason in itself why would you wear a mask to hide your identity , madara planed for the future and faked his death, so that he can resurface in the present generation to do his moons eye plan.

 

[0moi]

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tobi S/T has not been named. what do you want me to call it?! kamui LOL anyways show me where danzo or shishui used S/T or dont talk.

and stop using the word chief it's annoying.

Danzou does summonings(Baku) thats S/T, Shisui doesn't use S/T not that I know of. Tobi's S/T is Kamui, its too obvious I even explained it already, and phoque you chief I use that word everyday, don't like it don't read it CHIEF!!!!

& The slip through technique is not Izanami, disregard my theory statement about the slip through technique....

 

[Edge]

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Nice theory , but one problem I see is that Izuna died before madara fought hashi, madara had ems when he fought hashi , like to tobi said to Conan he fought for the future, I do agree wit your plan , except that I can't be Izuna, could be madara split and mixed with zetzu DNA plus hashi DNA which is why he has strong life force and able to use rinni.

The reason he wears his mask is that reason in itself why would you wear a mask to hide your identity , madara planed for the future and faked his death, so that he can resurface in the present generation to do his moons eye plan.

Kishi hasn't fully explained the backstory for Izuna. For example, people supposed that Kabuto had been raised by an unknown leaf medical ninja for years until it was actual revealed (via flashback) that it was only a lie.

How would we know if anything Tobi told Sasuke is true? The only way we'll know what happened to Izuna for certain is with a flashback.

And a Madara clone isn't possible, simply because Madara's WHOLE soul is brought back via Edo Tensei, this isn't Harry Potter where you can divide your soul into pieces and stick them in things (at least I hope not). Furthermore, Madara and Kabuto talk about Tobi like he has his own personality. Wouldn't a Madara clone be identical to Madara in all thought processes?

If that were true then everytime Tobi fought someone he would remark about how weak they were and how noone has surpassed himself or the 1st Hokage in terms of strength. You'll notice how he frequently comments about the current generation of ninja's lack of strength which Tobi never does or did.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

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Kishi hasn't fully explained the backstory for Izuna. For example, people supposed that Kabuto had been raised by an unknown leaf medical ninja for years until it was actual revealed (via flashback) that it was only a lie.

How would we know if anything Tobi told Sasuke is true? The only way we'll know what happened to Izuna for certain is with a flashback.

And a Madara clone isn't possible, simply because Madara's WHOLE soul is brought back via Edo Tensei, this isn't Harry Potter where you can divide your soul into pieces and stick them in things (at least I hope not). Furthermore, Madara and Kabuto talk about Tobi like he has his own personality. Wouldn't a Madara clone be identical to Madara in all thought processes?

If that were true then everytime Tobi fought someone he would remark about how weak they were and how noone has surpassed himself or the 1st Hokage in terms of strength. You'll notice how he frequently comments about the current generation of ninja's lack of strength which Tobi never does or did.

Alright I see where you coming. Let me just say then that tobi is a special version of zetsu I think that seems more plausible ... Sorry but no one has made me believe that tobi is Izuna. A lot of people say that madara took his eyes before he died if that was the case then why is tobi/Izuna even helping ? Idk let's just wait and see.

 

[TobiIsYourMom]

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Alright I see where you coming. Let me just say then that tobi is a special version of zetsu I think that seems more plausible ... Sorry but no one has made me believe that tobi is Izuna. A lot of people say that madara took his eyes before he died if that was the case then why is tobi/Izuna even helping ? Idk let's just wait and see.

Yeah, that does kind of put a hole in the theory. I mean. If anything, Izuna should be pissed at Madara for taking his eyes without permission. (I'm pretty sure Madara took the eyes by force since i trust Itachi more than I trust Tobi........) Maybe, the reason Tobi didn't want Madara revived is because al along, he really just wanted the moon's eye plan for himself, so he tricked Madara. Plus, Tobi clenching his arm while talking to Sasuke could be Tobi trying to make himself actually believe that he willfully gave his eyes to Madara. Since, he probably can't believe his older brother would do such a thing. It would also go along with the whole 'brother' theme that Kishi has going. Itachi paralleling Izuna and being edo tensei'd, while Sasuke who parallels Madara, is alive. Then there's Madara, who parallels Sasuke, who is edo tensei'd, while izuna, who parallels Itachi, is alive.

 

[0moi]

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Yeah, that does kind of put a hole in the theory. I mean. If anything, Izuna should be pissed at Madara for taking his eyes without permission. (I'm pretty sure Madara took the eyes by force since i trust Itachi more than I trust Tobi........) Maybe, the reason Tobi didn't want Madara revived is because al along, he really just wanted the moon's eye plan for himself, so he tricked Madara. Plus, Tobi clenching his arm while talking to Sasuke could be Tobi trying to make himself actually believe that he willfully gave his eyes to Madara. Since, he probably can't believe his older brother would do such a thing. It would also go along with the whole 'brother' theme that Kishi has going. Itachi paralleling Izuna and being edo tensei'd, while Sasuke who parallels Madara, is alive. Then there's Madara, who parallels Sasuke, who is edo tensei'd, while izuna, who parallels Itachi, is alive.

You got that backwards, by your theory "Tobi = Izuna", so Sasuke(Alive) = Izuna(Alive), Itachi(Edo) = Madara(Edo)....plus Madara > Izuna, Itachi > Sasuke

 

[TobiIsYourMom]

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You got that backwards, by your theory "Tobi = Izuna", so Sasuke(Alive) = Izuna(Alive), Itachi(Edo) = Madara(Edo)....plus Madara > Izuna, Itachi > Sasuke

Yes, I got it wrong but Itachi also parallels Madara by being the older brother and Sasuke parallels Izuna by being the younger brother, so it's like a double parallel going both ways.

 

[nuku ninja]

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Nice theory , but one problem I see is that Izuna died before madara fought hashi, madara had ems when he fought hashi , like to tobi said to Conan he fought for the future, I do agree wit your plan , except that I can't be Izuna, could be madara split and mixed with zetzu DNA plus hashi DNA which is why he has strong life force and able to use rinni.

The reason he wears his mask is that reason in itself why would you wear a mask to hide your identity , madara planed for the future and faked his death, so that he can resurface in the present generation to do his moons eye plan.

Yeah the time between Izunas death and the Hishi fight is one of the biggest holes. Although I have thought about it and came up with a way Kishi would probley explain it.

As we have seen with Nagato he sent the souls of the dead leaf people back to there own bodies, which is how it works. My theory is after Izuna had his eyes taken, he vanished without saying anything about his destination and died. So Madara used the same jutsu as Nagato only better to place Izunas soul into cultivated Hishi DNA (Almost the same as the weird DNA thing that created Zetsu army, But its conciousness was given to it as Izunas soul) and gave him the S/T sharingan somehow. Madara pretty much made a frankenstien shinobi.

This is only my thoughts and has no backup. I still think it's plausable though.

 

[Ramenamaterasu]

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Yeah the time between Izunas death and the Hishi fight is one of the biggest holes. Although I have thought about it and came up with a way Kishi would probley explain it.

As we have seen with Nagato he sent the souls of the dead leaf people back to there own bodies, which is how it works. My theory is after Izuna had his eyes taken, he vanished without saying anything about his destination and died. So Madara used the same jutsu as Nagato only better to place Izunas soul into cultivated Hishi DNA (Almost the same as the weird DNA thing that created Zetsu army, But its conciousness was given to it as Izunas soul) and gave him the S/T sharingan somehow. Madara pretty much made a frankenstien shinobi.

This is only my thoughts and has no backup. I still think it's plausable though.

I have many diffrent theorys about tobi, but YOUR theory is exactly one of those i had in mind that would be possible

Madara reviveing izuna > izuna takes madaras rinnegan before he runs out of chakra and dies, also they somehow planned this all along, but these theories are just speculations, but i agree

 

[Mrjaw1991]

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With the theory going around that tobi is madara,izuna,obito etc why hasn't anyone thought that tobi is actually the jubii !!! Think about it when tobi revealed the moons eye plan he said he wanted to be complete again by which he might be indirectly revealing that his powers are scattered and wants to collect it back again in order to be in his former glory. Also we know his body is made of some other substance which zetsu uses to heal him.
In short when the sage split the ten tails to smaller bijuus, i think the actual soul of the jubi was not completely split, some part of it remained which took on human forms or at least manipulated many to start the great ninja wars (we all know one of the objectives of the great ninja wars was to collect all the tailed beast in order to use it against the other country). The jubii used the wars as an excuse to gather its powers, also it took madaras body since its original body is encapsuled in the moon. Also possesing madaras body gave it access to his eternal mangekyo sharingan and his unique space time jutsus.

I was reading your theory on this...very interesting might just be kishimoto's plot with the whole "allied Shinobi forces" working together against a huge threat. it is certainly better then those stupid obito threads. also I was skimming through the manga and I checked something very interesting...

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If you take that note in with your theory it might help support it

Also one more thing this may help

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this tells me he was possibly talking about the kyuubi fighting with hasirama since your theory is he is the ten tails and the ten tells is all the bijuu together it makes you think but then you do have a good argument if you look here...

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So I like your theoy i just think you could have supported it morr in detail but I hope these help a little

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

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Yeah the time between Izunas death and the Hishi fight is one of the biggest holes. Although I have thought about it and came up with a way Kishi would probley explain it.

As we have seen with Nagato he sent the souls of the dead leaf people back to there own bodies, which is how it works. My theory is after Izuna had his eyes taken, he vanished without saying anything about his destination and died. So Madara used the same jutsu as Nagato only better to place Izunas soul into cultivated Hishi DNA (Almost the same as the weird DNA thing that created Zetsu army, But its conciousness was given to it as Izunas soul) and gave him the S/T sharingan somehow. Madara pretty much made a frankenstien shinobi.

This is only my thoughts and has no backup. I still think it's plausable though.

nice view, it totally think that is plausible, theres a rumor going around now that tobi has a third eye?? the bandages shown in his fight with conan is covering it up but his new mask has three holes and might reveal the third eye in the fight with naruto/bee/kakashi/guy witch could be the byakugan. i read this other members theory i think his name is pusskar or something like that. i read his theory on the hyugga and the byakugan and it might have something to do with this , eventough he doesnt say that.... i just made the connection, also it's kind of weird that this dude has a third eye and his a uchiha on the top panel so a third eye concept is not that far fetched.

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don't really know tough :shrug::shrug:just putting it out there.xd

 

[Mrjaw1991]

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nice view, it totally think that is plausible, theres a rumor going around now that tobi has a third eye?? the bandages shown in his fight with conan is covering it up but his new mask has three holes and might reveal the third eye in the fight with naruto/bee/kakashi/guy witch could be the byakugan. i read this other members theory i think his name is pusskar or something like that. i read his theory on the hyugga and the byakugan and it might have something to do with this , eventough he doesnt say that.... i just made the connection, also it's kind of weird that this dude has a third eye and his a uchiha on the top panel so a third eye concept is not that far fetched.

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don't really know tough :shrug::shrug:just putting it out there.xd

So is that tobi? Now i am confused lol