Kid Kakashi Vs Kid Neji

[Emperor Excite]

Having the upper hand doesn't mean he got saved. We don't know what would have happen. It's really funny that you still talk about that as if it was a fact.

So these guys who are on the same team, that already cut his arm , destroyed his eye wasn't really going to catch him again if it wasn't interference yeah ok buddy :rofl:

 

[Bogard]

So these guys who are on the same team, that already cut his arm , destroyed his eye wasn't really going to catch him again if it wasn't interference yeah ok buddy :rofl:

All what you notice happened in which conditions? His arm cut? Cuz he was too fast that he could not see the opponent when he attacks. His eye destroyed? cuz he wanted to save Obito. Anyway you can believe what you want, but for me there is no proof that he could have even hurt him at that time unless you show me the proof.

 

[siyo]

Neji got this. Kid Kakahi is talented, no doubt about it, but based on what we have read he is simply no match for, arguably, the strongest genin during the chunnin exams. I’m well aware that he lost to the main character but that was due to arrogance and Naruto’s ability to disperse an even amount of chakra through every one of his clones.

Kid Kakashi simply won’t have that luxury because he has low stamina/chakra, which means Neji can easily track his movements with his byakugan. Kakashi also won’t possess a tailed beast so no reboots if Neji successfully shuts down Kakashi’s chakra points.

Remember, Taijutsu is Neji’s bread and butter so it would be suicide for Kakashi to engage in CQC, especially when one tap to the heart is enough to end the match- even with the mighty sharingan, because Neji can keep going like a robot until he finds his opening, as we saw against his clone, and we all know Kakashi is too smart to play with fire so he would keep his distance and once in a while go in for a raikari or two. Unfortunately, his dogs are useless here (one air palm is enough) plus long range attacks won’t work against an opponent who has rotation. A near perfect 360 degrees chakra shield ready to repel everything that comes its way i.e Kid Kakashi is screwed.

 

[Joki]

You were acting like a jerk. Still are in fact.

You didn't understand that they are two separate things.

One bonus allows you to see things moving faster, the other allows you to predict where the opponent will be in the future. How are you not getting this? They are two completely separate abilities, it isn't semantics.

I'll try to dumb this down for you, imagine a high speed camera capturing the images of a hummingbird. It can see the hummingbird fly, and can capture the images clearly, but can it predict which way the hummingbird is going to go next?

That is the bonus of the third tomoe, it allows the user to notice subtle muscle movements and predict where the opponent will be.

One is in the present, one is in the future. I can't get any more clear than that.

Dude, this is a horrible strawman argument then. I never ever ever said any of the stuff you're acting like I said. I already told you that I just used pre-cog because of the sharingan's enhanced reactions, works just like predicting moves to give enhanced reactions etc.

I'd mucgh rather use "pre-cog" than spend 3 sentences explaining what anyone could obviously tell what I meant. I mean, you're the only one who's nit-picked at the wording of my post about it thus far, everyone else knew what I meant.

It's obviously semantics, you knew exactly what I meant and now you're trying to justify it. No big deal. Third tomoe allows you to literally predict the opponent, I've never said anything otherwise

Wow really part 1 kabuto was on the same level or even higher then kakashi he even stated himself here's proof, plus even jiariya & orochimaru confirmed that. Yet naruto was almost able to tie up with him without the nine-tails chakra as were he needed it for neji no if and buts about it. So if kabuto who ties with a grown kakashi was almost taken out by naruto then how strong is neji???

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Kakashi didn't learn the rasengan he copied with the sharingan the manga had some mis-translation. look below for example

Here's were Jiariya stated he'd teach naruto a techinque even stronger then the chidori, when he preffered kakashi to train him but in the translation it said she meaning tsnuade and we both know tsnuade most likely doesn't know the rasengan xd As were in other translation from episode 82 in the orginal series you get this

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Why would kakashi leave the rasengan for chidori after seeing how much damage it can do more

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Here's how i'm sure he didn't know rasengan at the time right here when speaking to jiariya he stated that naruto was to young to know rasengan??? Maybe you'd think only because it's naruto right??? nope because before that kakashi tryed teaching the chidori to naruto same age when he learned it 13.After the zabuza incident he stopped treating them like kids along time ago.

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Why would kakashi down-grade to a chidori when it's more diffucult to maintain and effort to use ,if i'm not mistaking .

Like i stated before a chidori would break to the rotation as were a rasengan would exploded on impact for the simply fact that those too move hold similar property. a burst of chakra in a rotation rapidly yeah nejji is mostly likely winning a fight against kakashi but 13 yr old Sharingan kakashi he's not beating.

He knew rasengan, he can't attempt to use elemental composition on a technique that he doesn't even know how to use. He can't put Raiton into a rasengan to make it Raiton: Rasengan like Naruto did in order to create the Rasenshuriken if he can't use Rasengan in the first place. He tried to use elemental recomposition into the rasengan, fact, he couldn't do it and made chidori in the process. Him knowing how to make Chidori before he learned rasengan is illogical

They're similar but different techniques, rasengan is stronger in brute force but Chidori is faster and pierces, they're different techniques and of course Kakashi will use it or favor it since it's the only technique he created himself\

By that time I'd be willing to call it a retcon, perhaps Kakashi would have used it during the gaiden if Kishi had him 'already knowing it' in mind, he didn't make the Rasnshuriken training at that point

Rank is important if speaking generally but not in a vs thread it isnt, neji was more impressive as a kid than kid kakashi whichever way you look at it. I go by what ive seen and not just rank

Like Bogard said and like the link he posted, Rank is important especially in a Vs thread regarding Part 1 characters and when there are specific instances to support the rank being important. Back in Part 1 Jonin were the elite ninja who pretty much crapped on everyone else and were shinobi to be feared. Kakashi was a Jonin in the Gaiden even w/o sharingan, hell 2 people who weren't even complete Jonin beat all of the Sound 4 despite being injured beforehand and made them go into CS2 or else they'd have died.

Neji couldn't even beat just 1 and passed out due to severe injuries and would have died, and he just happened to have a perfect counter against Kido's techniques

And let's not forget during the suna invasion, when chunin/etc ninja were attacking everywhere and the genin like Shikamaru were being destroyed by them, only to have Jonin levels like Asuma come in and fodderize them all saving the genin with little difficulty.

This is the reason why i keep on saying you are desperate. I only go by what they have shown us and we have no idea whether kakashi can use the kage bunshin, but for you lets say he can. That technique if you knew how it works you wouldnt include it for somebody like kakashi. Not only does he have a much lower chakra reserve when he was a kid, he also had the sharingan both drain him. If he was to use the kage bunshin if will cost him lot of chakra, so much so that he wouldnt be able to use 2 chidori's (reason i say this is because thats the max amount sasuke was able to do and sasuke had more chakra as a kid than kid kakashi).

He already used that much during the gaiden. Anyway, a skilled/prodigy/genius shinobi such as Kakashi I wouldn't doubt his ability to use a KB, second I think this is a hugely common misconception is that "Kakashi has a low chakra reserve"

This is bullcrap. This is how much chakra ninja normally have, you're probably used to Naruto using over 9000 rasengans and not showing the slightest bit of exhaustion. Kakashi when Sasuke used a single Goukakyu was surprised the guy even had enough chakra in the first place to use one. Kakashi has quite a lot of chakra for a jonin. Although...it isn't too relevant I hate when people act like Kakashi uses 1 jutsu and he dies of exhaustion.

Thirdly neji has shown us to be able to get past bunshin with so much ease its a joke, even without Hakkesho Kaiten. Kid kakashi cannot create the same amount of bunshins that naruto can create to disturb kid neji. He can most likely create 2 at max and this would most likely reduce him ability to use chidori or rasengan more than twice. 2 bunshin isnt fooling somebody like neji and im certain he woudlnt even need Hakkesho Kaiten.

Like I said, Naruto is taijutsually inept and is horrible at it, Kakashi is actually skilled and took on multiple Jonin of his own with Chidori/taijutsu. Besides 'being desperate' Ive been sayi this whole time the attacks I'm assuming a skilled prodigy to have in his arsenal is just an added bonus and he doesn't need them. Kakashi's speed was displayed being much much faster than Neji or KN0 Naruto(and I posted the link of his chidori), if Neji couldn't even protect against KN0 punching him there's no way in hell he's stopping or even thinking about dodging a chidori. Perhaps, assuming he pulls off that incredible feat considering kakashi w/ sharingan gets over Chidori's weakness, that's what the added bonus of him being able to use KB is for.

Another reason for you being desperate is trying to not only use naruto's strategy, but also claim kid kakashi can use doton. In a vs thread we go by what each character has shown us and kid kakashi hasnt shown us a doton element. Secondly it was said that he got his nickname copy ninja during his time in anbu and thats basically where he started copying techniques, so no i do not believe kid kakashi can use doton before he joined anbu

Yeah I know, but I thought it could be logically accepted considering ninja still learn techniques. I figured someone making a Jonin would have at least more than 2 jutsu of his own and since he uses doton all the time to conceal himself in the earth it's one of the jutsu he'd have known. Although again, it's an added bonus. I said this because, Naruto, that "dumb kid" was able to pull a strategy to fool Neji boy genius and defeat him, so Kakashi who's hundreds of times smarter should be able to with absolutely 0 effort.

You think kid kakashi can outlast neji?. Now i know you are trolling and tbh you really do not have an argument. First you claim he kid kakashi can use bunshins which will drain him if you knew how they work

Yes I do, as I said Kakashi doesn't have chakra that allows him to use 1 jutsu and die. Kage Bunshin splits your chakra in half, Kakashi has the potential but he doesn't need it

, but also kid kakashi hasnt shown us this although me being generous i allowed this. You then claim he can use doton, which again he got his nickname during his time at anbu, he didnt have doton when he was a kid, unless you can provide me with a link.

Yeah you're right, he only has 1 original technique and didn't start learning any other techniques until he got his nickname. Makes sense. I guess his taijutsu was way better than Neji's then since he became a jonin without using any other jutsu.

The idea of kid kakashi outlasting kid neji after the effects of the sharingan, his relatively low chakra, him using bunshins, dotons, rasengan and chidori is laughable

Neji barely lasted the short fight with Naruto after his rotation was destroyed by a punch, he slowly beaten and bruised pulled himself out of the crater to get fooled by a bunshin feint and destroyed. He doesn't need to be outlasted when chidori rips through it. I was listing ways for Kakashi to win, not use them all in the fight(as if they're needed, that's laughable).

Kid kakashi is strong, nobody is denying that but kid neji will beat the crap out of him, its not even funny

lol

 

[Emperor Excite]

All what you notice happened in which conditions? His arm cut? Cuz he was too fast that he could not see the opponent when he attacks. His eye destroyed? cuz he wanted to save Obito. Anyway you can believe what you want, but for me there is no proof that he could have even hurt him at that time unless you show me the proof.

The proof is there head hunting season was in effect the panel right there the guy says die... looks towards his direction a but obito was clearly able to read the movements

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The man clearly had better swordsman ship as you can see in the panel but kakashi the same similar motion kakashi wasn't taken it

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He knew rasengan, he can't attempt to use elemental composition on a technique that he doesn't even know how to use. He can't put Raiton into a rasengan to make it Raiton: Rasengan like Naruto did in order to create the Rasenshuriken if he can't use Rasengan in the first place. He tried to use elemental recomposition into the rasengan, fact, he couldn't do it and made chidori in the process. Him knowing how to make Chidori before he learned rasengan is illogical

They're similar but different techniques, rasengan is stronger in brute force but Chidori is faster and pierces, they're different techniques and of course Kakashi will use it or favor it since it's the only technique he created himself\

By that time I'd be willing to call it a retcon, perhaps Kakashi would have used it during the gaiden if Kishi had him 'already knowing it' in mind, he didn't make the Rasnshuriken training at that point

As why kakashi claim to copy it himself

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[Itachi Namikaze]

I like how no one has any counter to my arguments a few pages back.

By the way Blaze Release is right, rank doesn't matter at all.

Naruto- a genin, was able to take down an almost fully transformed jinchurikki without the use of a tailed beast cloak.

Sasuke was able to take down Naruto in a tailed beast cloak.

Chouji, and Neji each took down one of the sound four on their own. The same sound four who took down two of Minato's former bodyguards.

Kakashi did what exactly?

Let me put it into perspective for you. There was a war going on then and everybody got bumped up. Argue that all you want but you will be wrong. Obito, arguably one of the worst ninjas before he got the sharingan was a chuunin BEFORE HE AWAKENED THE SHARINGAN. During the Part 1 chuunin exams, the only one to make chuunin was shikamaru. Not Neji, Sasuke, Naruto, Lee, or anybody else, even though they were undoubtedly above the average chuunin level.

Did that help some of you?

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

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I like how no one has any counter to my arguments a few pages back.

By the way Blaze Release is right, rank doesn't matter at all.

Naruto- a genin, was able to take down an almost fully transformed jinchurikki without the use of a tailed beast cloak.

Sasuke was able to take down Naruto in a tailed beast cloak.

Chouji, and Neji each took down one of the sound four on their own. The same sound four who took down two of Minato's former bodyguards.

Kakashi did what exactly?

Let me put it into perspective for you. There was a war going on then and everybody got bumped up. Argue that all you want but you will be wrong. Obito, arguably one of the worst ninjas before he got the sharingan was a chuunin BEFORE HE AWAKENED THE SHARINGAN. During the Part 1 chuunin exams, the only one to make chuunin was shikamaru. Not Neji, Sasuke, Naruto, Lee, or anybody else, even though they were undoubtedly above the average chuunin level.

Did that help some of you?

believe it or not the people who populate narutobase are not likely to listen to logic

 

[Bogard]

I like how no one has any counter to my arguments a few pages back.

By the way Blaze Release is right, rank doesn't matter at all.

Naruto- a genin, was able to take down an almost fully transformed jinchurikki without the use of a tailed beast cloak.

Sasuke was able to take down Naruto in a tailed beast cloak.

Chouji, and Neji each took down one of the sound four on their own. The same sound four who took down two of Minato's former bodyguards.

Kakashi did what exactly?

Let me put it into perspective for you. There was a war going on then and everybody got bumped up. Argue that all you want but you will be wrong. Obito, arguably one of the worst ninjas before he got the sharingan was a chuunin BEFORE HE AWAKENED THE SHARINGAN. During the Part 1 chuunin exams, the only one to make chuunin was shikamaru. Not Neji, Sasuke, Naruto, Lee, or anybody else, even though they were undoubtedly above the average chuunin level.

Did that help some of you?

- Naruto has never beaten Shukaku. He was only able to awake Gaara in time.
- Sasuke has beaten one tail Naruto, so what? It's not as if he is unbeatable
- Choji and Neji almost died in the process just against one of their opponents. 2weak jonins coming back from a mission and tired push the 4ninjas of the sound together to use CM2 to beat them, and they were even so tired after that, that they had to rest a little bit. They even admitted at that time that "jonin level is too much for them"
- Kakashi has beaten a powerful jonin of Iwagakure on his own. That shows his power.

- You say Kakashi wasn't impressiv? I'll ask you. Was Neji and the others so impressiv too? Neji, Choji, Naruto, Shikamaru, Kiba were captured easily by the fat one(i've forgotten his name). Like i can also say that Naruto and the others were almost captured against kidomaro. Thanks to Neji, they got free after that. Shikamaru was almost dead if Temari didn't interven. Kiba was almost dead if Kankuro hadn't interven. What have they done that was so impressiv? And that was even against chunin level. We've clearly seen the difference with jonin level on the pic i posted before. Neji Byakugan activated didn't even had time to react that Gai, Kakashi, Kurenai, and Hayate were already on him to stop him.

- It's easy to say someone is not impressiv by forgetting the context were he was. I can also say that Neji wasn't impressiv at all against Kisame. He was weak. Lee was weak also. That's what we call difference of level, and Kakashi in the war was fighting against powerful jonins. Put kid Kakashi at the chunin exam and you will see the difference.

 

[soulreaper11]

kid kakashi without the sharingan neji wins
kid kakashi with sharingan he wins

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

- Naruto has never beaten Shukaku. He was only able to awake Gaara in time.
- Sasuke has beaten one tail Naruto, so what? It's not as if he is unbeatable
- Choji and Neji almost died in the process just against one of their opponents. 2weak jonins coming back from a mission and tired push the 4ninjas of the sound together to use CM2 to beat them, and they were even so tired after that, that they had to rest a little bit. They even admitted at that time that "jonin level is too much for them"
- Kakashi has beaten a powerful jonin of Iwagakure on his own. That shows his power.

- You say Kakashi wasn't impressiv? I'll ask you. Was Neji and the others so impressiv too? Neji, Choji, Naruto, Shikamaru, Kiba were captured easily by the fat one(i've forgotten his name). Like i can also say that Naruto and the others were almost captured against kidomaro. Thanks to Neji, they got free after that. Shikamaru was almost dead if Temari didn't interven. Kiba was almost dead if Kankuro hadn't interven. What have they done that was so impressiv? And that was even against chunin level. We've clearly seen the difference with jonin level on the pic i posted before. Neji Byakugan activated didn't even had time to react that Gai, Kakashi, Kurenai, and Hayate were already on him to stop him.

- It's easy to say someone is not impressiv by forgetting the context were he was. I can also say that Neji wasn't impressiv at all against Kisame. He was weak. Lee was weak also. That's what we call difference of level, and Kakashi in the war was fighting against powerful jonins. Put kid Kakashi at the chunin exam and you will see the difference.

First off you are a massive fanboy and I already dislike you intensely. Just putting that out there.

Secondly Kakashi killed no one on his own. There is not one person he killed on his own.

Minato saved his life, Obito saved him twice! Obito!!

And I also think that you don't get that in Kakashi's time, Obito was a chuunin before he got the sharingan.

Your arguments are just bad.

 

[Bogard]

First off you are a massive fanboy and I already dislike you intensely. Just putting that out there.

Secondly Kakashi killed no one on his own. There is not one person he killed on his own.

Minato saved his life, Obito saved him twice! Obito!!

And I also think that you don't get that in Kakashi's time, Obito was a chuunin before he got the sharingan.

Your arguments are just bad.

Like you're a massive fanboy of Itachi, so what? Wheter you dislike me or not it's not my problem.
Kakashi killed no one? And you say i'm a massiv fanboy when you only talk about shit? What's this?

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And he was a strong jonin of Iwagakure(databook).
Minato saved his life like Neji and the others were saved also(see my post above).

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Neji wins high difficulty
Kakashi doesnt even have all the jutsu people thinks he has such as rasengan at this point

 

[Bogard]

Neji wins high difficulty
Kakashi doesnt even have all the jutsu people thinks he has such as rasengan at this point

He had rasengan. He said it when he was training Naruto:noc:

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Like you're a massive fanboy of Itachi, so what? Wheter you dislike me or not it's not my problem.
Kakashi killed no one? And you say i'm a massiv fanboy when you only talk about shit? What's this?

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And he was a strong jonin of Iwagakure(databook).
Minato saved his life like Neji and the others were saved also(see my post above).

Oh I'm sorry wasn't that the same ninja that Obito and Kakashi were both fighting earlier?


When did Neji get saved? He took down arguably the strongest of the sound four by himself, after rescuing the entire team from the webs.

And I don't like you because you area fanboy who always tries to twist things around and you never post good arguments.

 

[Bogard]

Oh I'm sorry wasn't that the same ninja that Obito and Kakashi were both fighting earlier?


When did Neji get saved? He took down arguably the strongest of the sound four by himself, after rescuing the entire team from the webs.

And I don't like you because you area fanboy who always tries to twist things around and you never post good arguments.

The real reason you dislike me is cuz i post sometimes post which doesn't go in the way of Itachi, and cuz you're just a fanboy who never wants to see limits of your favorite character, you take that badly. I give my arguments why i think totsuka can't seal entire taled beast for example, but cuz it's Itachi, you didn't even read at all, and never even wanted to see that totsuka also has limited, and told to others that i hate him when it's not even the case(see my sig. Itachi is my 3rd favorite character). You complain a lot for nothing when it comes to Itachi. That's the truth.

The way you think Itachi is invincible. Are you not the one who even think Itachi is stronger than Nagato? Have i said you're only a massive fanboy when you said that? So stop please to say nonsense, and argue if you can. We're not forced to believe the same thing. You believe that rank is nothing for example. Me i don't believe that, and that's something you must accept, and i'm not the only one who think this way. Joki and others think also this way. You underestimate too much Kakashi, and you don't want me to reply when you say nonsense? You think Kakashi is weak, that's your belief, but you must also learn to accept what other think also. The same guys who think we're overrating Kakashi are the same who say everytime that he will die after using one jutsu. It's not even funny. You say i overrate kakashi when he is only barely in my top20 in terms of power in NU, but underestimating has a limit.

 

[meatsworth1]

"Kid Kakashi"

I guess you guys are taking it too literally, they're not toddlers. Kakashi was already promoted to Jonin at this point while Neji didn't get promoted until 2 years after Part 1 or in between at least.

Saying Neji stands much of a chance at all against a Jonin w/ both Chidori and Rasengan is ridiculous enough, plus even worse if he has sharingan at this point.


Well played. I like you sir.

zabuza graduated before kisame and who was the better ninja out of those two i like zabuza more but i think we all know who is considered the stronger one

 

[TheItachiUchiha]

They both became jonin very young but kakashi did first

 

[Joki]

I like how no one has any counter to my arguments a few pages back.

Sorry, I would have replied but you're extremely immature to debate with, so much that you had to resort to ignoring my post(yes, you did it first, you have no right to say "i guess u guys cant counter since u didnt respond hur") and calling names. Not to mention neg-repping my post saying "you're just a big bag of douche" because you're mad that you can't reply to my posts.. So yeah, I'd rather not get involved.

Although, if there's anything specific you want countered say the word, though don't expect like the argument will get anywhere.

 

[Bogard]

Sorry, I would have replied but you're extremely immature to debate with, so much that you had to resort to ignoring my post(yes, you did it first, you have no right to say "i guess u guys cant counter since u didnt respond hur") and calling names. Not to mention neg-repping my post saying "you're just a big bag of douche" because you're mad that you can't reply to my posts.. So yeah, I'd rather not get involved.

Although, if there's anything specific you want countered say the word, though don't expect like the argument will get anywhere.

+rep. It's also what i think. He flames too much in particularly when you're not thinking the same way as he thinks

 

[realobito1]

Chidori is supperior to any of neji's tech. Plus he has rasengan. He also has shodow clones which neji can not tell the diff between. He probly can summon ninken too. Kakashi would just distract him create shodow clones decieve him into thinking he has won then kill him with chidori. I am sure kid kakashi speed is better than neji. The By the way some of you actually believe that if neji was alive during this war he would have been made a jonin? Your every body gets bumped to chunin logic makes since but jonin have to lead large platoons and be responsible for difficult missions. I am sure that if kakashi was far from jonin level he would not have been promoted. Besides kakashi was a chunin when he was six! This means he graduated the academy at five. Meaning he was atleast good enough to do clones, replacement tech plus transform and have competent taijutsu skills. This was all at five years old and nothing shows a war was going on at this time.