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[0moi]

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1. Ok? 17 Years is behind 8 years. Which is my point. If you REALLY think that Shisui could've been walking around for EIGHT YEARS without an eye, well I don't know, I don't know how you could think that. The higher ups in Konoha would not have just been satisfied with Shisui saying "Oh I don't know where my eye went." This is a SHARINGAN you know, a SECRET JUTSU of Konoha. Anytime a Hyuuga's eye went missing they sent out top level Ninjas/ANBU to go find that eye right damn now. They would do the same with a Sharingan. Shisui would HAVE to tell them what happened. And it wouldn't fly that Danzo stole it.

2. Kamui is NOT the same thing that Tobi uses. NOT at all. Kamui DOES NOT suck in the entire body to an alternate dimension, nor can Kakashi even ACCESS that alternate dimension AFTER he sucks something in. Kakashi can suck in a body part, an explosion etc. He can't suck in an entire body. Plus Kakashi doesn't touch anybody to use that, he looks at the object with his eye and sends it into the other world, he can't send an entire person. What Tobi uses is something COMPELTELY different. And yes when Tobi phases through people and attacks, that is not Kamui obviously, but it IS the same Jutsu that Tobi uses to suck people into dimensions. He makes his own body intangible, probably sending it into the other dimension. Kakashi can obviously not do that, and neither can Danzo, or anybody else for that matter except Tobi.

3. Well Tobi didn't use it against Danzo anyway, I was talking about Fu and Torune. But my whole point was that it is near impossible and implausible for these two Tobi's that you think there are, to have the EXACT same Jutsu's.

4. It doesn't matter, my point was that if each Tobi we see, be it Tobi who fought Minato or the Tobi in the current time, each Tobi uses the Space-Time Jutsu WITHOUT tiring, and WITHOUT needing a break in between uses. So if that is the case, than Danzo being the Tobi that fought Minato, would be able to use it the same way if he had it. But he doesn't, so that is why he doesn't use it.

5. Ok, I know that, but Danzo's LEFT arm is NOT made of Mokuton, only his RIGHT. You can CLEARLY see this during his fight with Sasuke. His RIGHT ARM is discolored and Zetsu like, not his LEFT. But clearly in Tobi's fight with Minato, his LEFT hand falls off in the Zetsu like fashion. So that CAN'T be Danzo, since only his RIGHT arm is like that, not left.

1. Danzou is one of theses "higher ups" you speak of, I think you meant Elders though....why would he allow Shisui's missing eye to come into question, if he's the reason why it's gone. And Homura & Koharu trusted Danzou. That is the Konohagakure Elders you speak of right? If so that's why Shisui's missing eye was never questioned about. And Konohagakure only sent out ANBU to search for the eyes if another village took them.

2.The jutsu OS Tobi & Kakashi are doing are 1 in the same, Kakashi has 1 of Obito's eyes, OS Tobi has the other, Kakashi has the attack part of the technique, OS Tobi has the defense part of the technique, its so obvious....Have you noticed Tobi has yet to use Kamui as an attack, because he can't, all he can do is use it as a purpose of travel. Have you noticed Kakashi has yet to use Kamui as a purpose of travel, because he can't, all he can do is use it as an attack. Each has 1 of Obito Uchiha's eyes....

3. "Tobi has exactly the same abilities that the Orange Mask Tobi used AGAINST DANZO" chief these are your words exactly, now your saying he didn't attack Danzou smh, you're making my statements too easy, That slip through technique is not Kamui, we both agreed on this. I'm going to throw myself into the flames and say this technique is Izanami, since Itachi said that he could do it just seconds from Kabuto cutting him. If the next chapter reveals Itachi slipped through Kabuto's cut, then Izanami is indeed the slip through technique both Tobi's possessed then your statement "it is near impossible and implausible for these two Tobi's that you think there are, to have the EXACT same Jutsu's." will be void, since your implying ONLY ONE MAN can perform the slip through technique & Itachi just became 1 of them. Also if this is true then I now know the requirement needed to perform Izanami, one(an Uchiha) must die. I say this because OS Tobi is Obito who died and was brought back, YT Tobi is Danzou with (Dead)Shisui's arm meaning a part of Shisui, an Uchiha, is alive meaning he was somewhat brought back, Itachi was dead and was brought back, enabling him to now use Izanami.

4. How many times must I post this, he was drained already. One of the 1st rules off being a ninja is not overusing your reserves, even you know that. Plus Tobi Vs Minato fight was like 16+ Years ago Danzou is old his chakra levels have diminished incredibly since then.That slip through technique is not Kamui, we both agreed on this, but that slip through technique has a wating period even for OS Tobi. Tobi has to materialise himself sooner or later, which is what Kakashi & Yamato used to their advantage to capture him by using Naruto as bait, this is stated on Tobi's Narutopedia page, sorry I can't cite it I'm using my PS3 and I don't have the thread search function[F3]. Go to Tobi's Narutopedia and search the word "materialise", I'm too lazy to read all that to find 1 word that is used once. Why would Tobi re-materialise himself if he can do it at anytime without breaks? He can't there is a 5 sec or 5min (I forget) interval between him making himself intangiable. So he is not able to just do the slip through technique all wheely kneely like you implied....

5. Cells are cells they were throughout Danzou's body not just in his right arm, if any of his limbs were severed they would regenerate as accordingly. it never shows Tobi's left hand as discolored just the substance oozing from it which were Hashirama's cells implanted into Danzou by Orochimaru doing their job....my proof is the pic of YT Tobi's(Danzou's) left hand during the Kurama attack Vs Minato

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"Tobi's damaged arm oozes a white substance, as his hand separates from his body"

As you can see YT Tobi's left arm/hand was not discolored(white) like Zetsu's skin, but a yellowish peach hue like human skin....

....next questions please :devil:

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

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You never said Tobi was the Final Villain. You didn't need to. It's FAIRLY OBVIOUS that he is. You haven't provided any good proof why Madara couldn't have used Rinne Tensei. He's toying with the Kages, sure, but it doesn't mean that he hasn't used ANY Rinnegan moves. He activated it easily and is using it with experience. A already gave proof of Tobi being Izuna in a previous post on the last page. And, some pretty damn good proof, at that. It HAS to be someone we know. It's common sense. Why all the build up of his identity if he's just some random creation. you obviously have no idea of how storytelling works.

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[0moi]

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A already gave proof of Tobi being Izuna in a previous post on the last page.

CHIEF!!!! Please post this proof Ay, Raikage, gave He's younger than Tsunade around Minato's age how would he know anything about Izuna other than his name?

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boshans you ignore this and keep those ?s coming lol

I'm just realising something, Minato would be grey hair old by now if he didn't die....AWESOME!!!!, The great die young I guess haha. He would have been in his 40s. And Minato's teammate does favor Teuchi by a freaking lot

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Okay okay I was trolling hard as hell on that last part but that would've been epic as PHOQUE if it were true lol....Naw phoque that no I'm not I think Team Jiraiya was Minato Namikaze, the kid with the chonmage-like hairstyle is Fugaku Uchiha, & the tight eye kid is Teuchi Ichiraku,& I'm being serious, let me elaborate....

Fugaku - Plot no Jutsu, it would give the whole Sasuke vs Naruto rivalry so much meaning. And don't give me that "all groups have 1 girl thats a chick not a dude" crap, the original Ino-Shika-Cho trio were all dudes and they're from the same grad year as Team Jiraiya. And there is obviously no girls in that pic, that's not even a girl hairstyle it resembles chonmage, a male hairstyle worn by samurai, with bangs added to the front. No need for me to even mention Haku was mistaken to be a girl by another girl *cough*Sakura*cough*, or even the fact that the Uchiha; Sasuke, Itachi, Fugaku, Izuna, and even Madara have/had long bangs on the front of their faces. So that stupid hairstyle is explainable....

Teuchi - He seems to be in the know about everything happening with Naruto, I believe his role as just moral support is no where near how deep his character really goes. Plus the ages match, speaking on the behalf of Minato Namikaze & Fugaku Uchiha they both would be in their mid 40s by now. Fugaku died at age 40, the massacre, I believe Minato was the youngest out of Team Jiraiya. Teuchi is 47 at the moment. I added Ichiraku to his name because I wanted to, not because I think that's his actual last name. Don't try to flame the obvious please....

Teuchi's name can mean "made by hand" or "homemade" (手打ち). However, the same word can also mean "killing someone with one's bare hands." Which is like seeing an unarmed man and considering him harmless, not knowing he's deadly as phoque. Exacty what most people that read/watch NARUTO think of Teuchi, even calling him a fodder.

Ichiraku roughly translates to "one's relief" (一楽). Which is exactly what Teuchi is to Naruto because of the ramen and advice he gives him, or should I say Teuchi is Minato's relief for Naruto because he might have told Minato he would watch over Naruto if anything ever happened to him.

.... pure epicness
(Kishi, you evil diabolical bastard you lol)

Only reason I bring this up is because people think of Team Jiraiya's identity as irrelevant, that's like saying Rin's identity is irrelevant, Kishi wouldn't just show 2 fodder genin with the legendary Minato & Jiraiya and not speak on it c'mon chief....

I bet all my Kumi Kishi will speak on Team Jiraiya in the future chapters, & I want my Kumi....

:scorps: <....come at me bro....)

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: Common Sense that Tobi is Izuna Uchiha

Dude, Madara knows Tobi. He is clearly saying here that Izuna died and the ONLY thing he left behind was his eyes. He is practically saying his hatred is fueled by his brothers death. Izuna is not Tobi.

What he said does not translate into Izuna being dead ... Sasuke could say the same: "After my brother died, he only left me his eyes and their power ... anything that could be passed down to you is hatred"

At least read what I have posted and give some constructive criticism guys, not /thread or posting image I'm very aware of.

Gaara was dead, much of Konoha with Kakashi and Shizune included were dead, and Itachi with Madara were dead.

I know very well that Izuna has died, databook says so.
This is about why he can be Izuna, not why he isn't.

 

[Edge]

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CHIEF!!!! Please post this proof Ay, Raikage, gave He's younger than Tsunade around Minato's age how would he know anything about Izuna other than his name?

*WARNING OFF SUBJECT*
boshans you ignore this and keep those ?s coming lol

I'm just realising something, Minato would be grey hair old by now if he didn't die....AWESOME!!!!, The great die young I guess haha. He would have been in his 40s. And Minato's teammate does favor Teuchi by a freaking lot

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Okay okay I was trolling hard as hell on that last part but that would've been epic as PHOQUE if it were true lol....Naw phoque that no I'm not I think Team Jiraiya was Minato Namikaze, the kid with the chonmage-like hairstyle is Fugaku Uchiha, & the tight eye kid is Teuchi Ichiraku,& I'm being serious, let me elaborate....

Fugaku - Plot no Jutsu, it would give the whole Sasuke vs Naruto rivalry so much meaning. And don't give me that "all groups have 1 girl thats a chick not a dude" crap, the original Ino-Shika-Cho trio were all dudes and they're from the same grad year as Team Jiraiya. And there is obviously no girls in that pic, that's not even a girl hairstyle it resembles chonmage, a male hairstyle worn by samurai, with bangs added to the front. No need for me to even menion Haku was mistake to be a girl by another girl *cough*Sakura*cough*, or even the fact that the Uchiha; Sasuke, Itachi, Fugaku, Izuna, and even Madara have/had long bangs on the front of their faces. So that stupid hairstyle is explainable....

Teuchi - He seems to be in the know about everything happening with Naruto, I believe his role as just moral support is no where near how deep his character really goes. Plus the ages match, speaking on the behalf of Minato Namikaze & Fugaku Uchiha they both would be in their mid 40s by now. Fugaku died at age 40, the massacre, I believe Minato was the youngest out of Team Jiraiya. Teuchi is 47 at the moment. I added Ichiraku to his name because I wanted to, not because I think that's his actual last name. Don't try to flame the obvious please....

Teuchi's name can mean "made by hand" or "homemade" (手打ち). However, the same word can also mean "killing someone with one's bare hands." Which is like seeing an unarmed man and considering him harmless, not knowing he's deadly as phoque. Exacty what most people that read/watch NARUTO think of Teuchi, even calling him a fodder.

Ichiraku roughly translates to "one's relief" (一楽). Which is exactly what Teuchi is to Naruto because of the ramen and advice he gives him, or should I say Teuchi is Minato's relief for Naruto because he might have told Minato he would watch over Naruto if anything ever happened to him.

.... pure epicness
(Kishi, you evil diabolical bastard you lol)

Only reason I bring this up is because people think of Team Jiraiya's identity as irrelevant, that's like saying Rin's identity is irrelevant, Kishi wouldn't just show 2 fodder genin with the legendary Minato & Jiraiya and not speak on it c'mon chief....

I bet all my Kumi Kishi will speak on Team Jiraiya in the future chapters, & I want my Kumi....

:scorps: <....come at me bro....)

No.

 

[TobiIsYourMom]

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I have to say I love it when people just post completely ignorant and irrelevant crap because thety clearly can't refute what I say. At least admit you were wrong or don't reply at all. Either is fine!

CHIEF!!!! Please post this proof Ay, Raikage, gave He's younger than Tsunade around Minato's age how would he know anything about Izuna other than his name?

*WARNING OFF SUBJECT*
boshans you ignore this and keep those ?s coming lol

I'm just realising something, Minato would be grey hair old by now if he didn't die....AWESOME!!!!, The great die young I guess haha. He would have been in his 40s. And Minato's teammate does favor Teuchi by a freaking lot

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Okay okay I was trolling hard as hell on that last part but that would've been epic as PHOQUE if it were true lol....Naw phoque that no I'm not I think Team Jiraiya was Minato Namikaze, the kid with the chonmage-like hairstyle is Fugaku Uchiha, & the tight eye kid is Teuchi Ichiraku,& I'm being serious, let me elaborate....

Fugaku - Plot no Jutsu, it would give the whole Sasuke vs Naruto rivalry so much meaning. And don't give me that "all groups have 1 girl thats a chick not a dude" crap, the original Ino-Shika-Cho trio were all dudes and they're from the same grad year as Team Jiraiya. And there is obviously no girls in that pic, that's not even a girl hairstyle it resembles chonmage, a male hairstyle worn by samurai, with bangs added to the front. No need for me to even menion Haku was mistake to be a girl by another girl *cough*Sakura*cough*, or even the fact that the Uchiha; Sasuke, Itachi, Fugaku, Izuna, and even Madara have/had long bangs on the front of their faces. So that stupid hairstyle is explainable....

Teuchi - He seems to be in the know about everything happening with Naruto, I believe his role as just moral support is no where near how deep his character really goes. Plus the ages match, speaking on the behalf of Minato Namikaze & Fugaku Uchiha they both would be in their mid 40s by now. Fugaku died at age 40, the massacre, I believe Minato was the youngest out of Team Jiraiya. Teuchi is 47 at the moment. I added Ichiraku to his name because I wanted to, not because I think that's his actual last name. Don't try to flame the obvious please....

Teuchi's name can mean "made by hand" or "homemade" (手打ち). However, the same word can also mean "killing someone with one's bare hands." Which is like seeing an unarmed man and considering him harmless, not knowing he's deadly as phoque. Exacty what most people that read/watch NARUTO think of Teuchi, even calling him a fodder.

Ichiraku roughly translates to "one's relief" (一楽). Which is exactly what Teuchi is to Naruto because of the ramen and advice he gives him, or should I say Teuchi is Minato's relief for Naruto because he might have told Minato he would watch over Naruto if anything ever happened to him.

.... pure epicness
(Kishi, you evil diabolical bastard you lol)

Only reason I bring this up is because people think of Team Jiraiya's identity as irrelevant, that's like saying Rin's identity is irrelevant, Kishi wouldn't just show 2 fodder genin with the legendary Minato & Jiraiya and not speak on it c'mon chief....

I bet all my Kumi Kishi will speak on Team Jiraiya in the future chapters, & I want my Kumi....

:scorps: <....come at me bro....)

Wow, this is actually pretty plausible. i like it!!

 

[Tharris]

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Shisui Uchiha, Tobi is the only person who seems more knowledgeable than Itachi, so who better than the man who mentored Itachi. Shisui has been mentioned multiple times, even compared to Tobi by the lady Mizukage. Remember that Shisui had the power of mind control and Tobi controlled the fourth Mizukage. Also, think about it this way. The Uchiha massacre was not only done by Itachi, but Tobi as well and Shisui would have a motive. He needed new Sharingan eyes to replace his own, because he had used both for the Izanagi technique, which Tobi in fact knows. Shisui was supposedly murdered right before the massacre. Itachi recovered one eye and Danzo the other. What better way to eliminate the chance of being suspected as being Tobi than to give up your eyes and frame someone for murdering you.
He could have used mind control over both Danzo(controlling the root) and Itachi(leader of the Anbu Black Ops) giving him a perfect escape.
Think about which Uchiha's had access to their secret Archives. Itachi, Sasuke and Shisui.
Tobi created Zetsu, and the Zetsu army.
Zetsu was created using Hashrima(1st Hokage)'s Cells.
Sharingan's "evolve" into Rinnegan's but you need Senju dna. (Hashirama Senju).
Tobi has exhibited Zetsu like features. Such as regrowing limbs and goopy wounds.
Or should I say Zetsu exhibits Tobi like features since Tobi created him.
What I'm really trying to get at is that if the Uchiha archives had information on the Rinnegan, in the same way that it had information on the Mangekyo Sharingan then Shisui has the perfect set up to try to gain that power.
Tobi has both the Uchiha's Sharingan and through experimentation Senju cells.

The reason Kishimoto(Mind behind Naruto) might want to make people think of Obito when talking about Tobi could be to make a "Shisui is Tobi" plot more justifiable through relating key features in their stories.
Kakashi is able to use Obito's Sharingan because Obito had finally unlocked it before he died. If he hadn't it might've just been another eye.
Which would make sense why Tobi would have to implement the Rinnegan into Nagato(Pein)(Pain). He needed someone who was capable of unlocking the eyes to do so before he could implant them.
So having both Senju cells and the unlocked rinnegan Tobi would be able to fully control the eye(s).
What could someone who is obsessed with power and control want after gaining the power of the Sage of Six Paths?
Full control over the world.
Thus Tobi's next step would be world domination, thus the Moon Eye Plan.
Shisui fits better than anyone, and the only other arguable candidate in my opinion is Kagami.

 

[Edge]

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Shisui Uchiha, Tobi is the only person who seems more knowledgeable than Itachi, so who better than the man who mentored Itachi. Shisui has been mentioned multiple times, even compared to Tobi by the lady Mizukage. Remember that Shisui had the power of mind control and Tobi controlled the fourth Mizukage. Also, think about it this way. The Uchiha massacre was not only done by Itachi, but Tobi as well and Shisui would have a motive. He needed new Sharingan eyes to replace his own, because he had used both for the Izanagi technique, which Tobi in fact knows. Shisui was supposedly murdered right before the massacre. Itachi recovered one eye and Danzo the other. What better way to eliminate the chance of being suspected as being Tobi than to give up your eyes and frame someone for murdering you.
He could have used mind control over both Danzo(controlling the root) and Itachi(leader of the Anbu Black Ops) giving him a perfect escape.
Think about which Uchiha's had access to their secret Archives. Itachi, Sasuke and Shisui.
Tobi created Zetsu, and the Zetsu army.
Zetsu was created using Hashrima(1st Hokage)'s Cells.
Sharingan's "evolve" into Rinnegan's but you need Senju dna. (Hashirama Senju).
Tobi has exhibited Zetsu like features. Such as regrowing limbs and goopy wounds.
Or should I say Zetsu exhibits Tobi like features since Tobi created him.
What I'm really trying to get at is that if the Uchiha archives had information on the Rinnegan, in the same way that it had information on the Mangekyo Sharingan then Shisui has the perfect set up to try to gain that power.
Tobi has both the Uchiha's Sharingan and through experimentation Senju cells.

The reason Kishimoto(Mind behind Naruto) might want to make people think of Obito when talking about Tobi could be to make a "Shisui is Tobi" plot more justifiable through relating key features in their stories.
Kakashi is able to use Obito's Sharingan because Obito had finally unlocked it before he died. If he hadn't it might've just been another eye.
Which would make sense why Tobi would have to implement the Rinnegan into Nagato(Pein)(Pain). He needed someone who was capable of unlocking the eyes to do so before he could implant them.
So having both Senju cells and the unlocked rinnegan Tobi would be able to fully control the eye(s).
What could someone who is obsessed with power and control want after gaining the power of the Sage of Six Paths?
Full control over the world.
Thus Tobi's next step would be world domination, thus the Moon Eye Plan.
Shisui fits better than anyone, and the only other arguable candidate in my opinion is Kagami.

Except Tobi referred to Shisui in the third-person multiple times...yeah

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

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I have to say I love it when people just post completely ignorant and irrelevant crap because thety clearly can't refute what I say. At least admit you were wrong or don't reply at all. Either is fine!



Wow, this is actually pretty plausible. i like it!!

Ignorant ok, I just see it as lighting up the mood.
Any way all I am saying is that madara gave tobi the rinni for a purpose to give it to nagato so he can perform rinni on madara, that means that madara himself could not perform this tech bcuz it takes a lot of life energy as we saw nagato die after using it. Which means madara couldn't use it. So how would that make me think that madara used rinni on Izuna plus isn't there a timeframe in which rinni tense I be used? If not then sorry my mistake. To me Izuna died and madara took his eyes , unless they had a itachi/sasuke type of relationship.

Also I do know how storytelling goes, If everyone thinks its Izuna and it is Izuna then Kishi fell off , suspense and confusion makes really good stories.

 

[Kyno]

Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Shisui Uchiha, Tobi is the only person who seems more knowledgeable than Itachi, so who better than the man who mentored Itachi. Shisui has been mentioned multiple times, even compared to Tobi by the lady Mizukage. Remember that Shisui had the power of mind control and Tobi controlled the fourth Mizukage. Also, think about it this way. The Uchiha massacre was not only done by Itachi, but Tobi as well and Shisui would have a motive. He needed new Sharingan eyes to replace his own, because he had used both for the Izanagi technique, which Tobi in fact knows. Shisui was supposedly murdered right before the massacre. Itachi recovered one eye and Danzo the other. What better way to eliminate the chance of being suspected as being Tobi than to give up your eyes and frame someone for murdering you.
He could have used mind control over both Danzo(controlling the root) and Itachi(leader of the Anbu Black Ops) giving him a perfect escape.
Think about which Uchiha's had access to their secret Archives. Itachi, Sasuke and Shisui.
Tobi created Zetsu, and the Zetsu army.
Zetsu was created using Hashrima(1st Hokage)'s Cells.
Sharingan's "evolve" into Rinnegan's but you need Senju dna. (Hashirama Senju).
Tobi has exhibited Zetsu like features. Such as regrowing limbs and goopy wounds.
Or should I say Zetsu exhibits Tobi like features since Tobi created him.
What I'm really trying to get at is that if the Uchiha archives had information on the Rinnegan, in the same way that it had information on the Mangekyo Sharingan then Shisui has the perfect set up to try to gain that power.
Tobi has both the Uchiha's Sharingan and through experimentation Senju cells.

The reason Kishimoto(Mind behind Naruto) might want to make people think of Obito when talking about Tobi could be to make a "Shisui is Tobi" plot more justifiable through relating key features in their stories.
Kakashi is able to use Obito's Sharingan because Obito had finally unlocked it before he died. If he hadn't it might've just been another eye.
Which would make sense why Tobi would have to implement the Rinnegan into Nagato(Pein)(Pain). He needed someone who was capable of unlocking the eyes to do so before he could implant them.
So having both Senju cells and the unlocked rinnegan Tobi would be able to fully control the eye(s).
What could someone who is obsessed with power and control want after gaining the power of the Sage of Six Paths?
Full control over the world.
Thus Tobi's next step would be world domination, thus the Moon Eye Plan.
Shisui fits better than anyone, and the only other arguable candidate in my opinion is Kagami.

Except Itachi respects Shisui and not Tobi, and that both his eyes wer taken, and the first attack of Tobi happened before Shisui "killed himself". Not to mention his vision of peace as opposed to Tobi boubt in the existence of true peace.

 

[Kyno]

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I haven't been here in a while, as a strong believer in the Obito theory I would like to ask if any big evidence came up to truly disprove that theory? PLEASE DO NOT JUST IGNORANTLY CALL ME STUPID, JUST RATIONAL, LOGICAL, STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWERS TO THIS QUESTION.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

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I haven't been here in a while, as a strong believer in the Obito theory I would like to ask if any big evidence came up to truly disprove that theory? PLEASE DO NOT JUST IGNORANTLY CALL ME STUPID, JUST RATIONAL, LOGICAL, STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWERS TO THIS QUESTION.

Because there is no way that a double-poster could be right (sorry couldn't resist XD. Too much sugar).

 

[TobiIsYourMom]

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I haven't been here in a while, as a strong believer in the Obito theory I would like to ask if any big evidence came up to truly disprove that theory? PLEASE DO NOT JUST IGNORANTLY CALL ME STUPID, JUST RATIONAL, LOGICAL, STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWERS TO THIS QUESTION.

Not really, there's not exactly any HUGE evidence to disprove it. (Come at me, haters!)

Ignorant ok, I just see it as lighting up the mood.
Any way all I am saying is that madara gave tobi the rinni for a purpose to give it to nagato so he can perform rinni on madara, that means that madara himself could not perform this tech bcuz it takes a lot of life energy as we saw nagato die after using it. Which means madara couldn't use it. So how would that make me think that madara used rinni on Izuna plus isn't there a timeframe in which rinni tense I be used? If not then sorry my mistake. To me Izuna died and madara took his eyes , unless they had a itachi/sasuke type of relationship.

Also I do know how storytelling goes, If everyone thinks its Izuna and it is Izuna then Kishi fell off , suspense and confusion makes really good stories.

Okay, i see your point now that you've explained it more thoroughly. I agree that suspense and confusion make a good story, but the result of that confusion should be something, awesome, satisfying, and climactic. Tobi being a creation of Madara wouldn't exactly be any of those, in opinion at least. So, that's why I can't exactly agree with the theory. I just think that someone who's identity has been a mystery for so long should be someone we know/recognize. Besides, fans have basically come up with like every possibility of who Tobi could be, so the logic that everyone thinks it's him, therefore it's not, kind of fails there.

 

[0moi]

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Wow, this is actually pretty plausible. i like it!!

Thanx chief but post what you said about Ay proving Izuna is Tobi, I'm too lazy to search this god forsaken thread, link the post # if you have too, Yea i'm also the guy who said Tobi is 2 people lol

I haven't been here in a while, as a strong believer in the Obito theory I would like to ask if any big evidence came up to truly disprove that theory? PLEASE DO NOT JUST IGNORANTLY CALL ME STUPID, JUST RATIONAL, LOGICAL, STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWERS TO THIS QUESTION.

Don't worry chief I also think Obito = Tobi, the Orange Spiral Mask Tobi that is....

No.

U_U....thats all you got chief, you gone have to come harder than a 1 word reply, we ain't texting try to flame this theory please

 

[TobiIsYourMom]

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Thanx chief but post what you said about Ay proving Izuna is Tobi, I'm too lazy to search this god forsaken thread, link the post # if you have too, Yea i'm also the guy who said Tobi is 2 people lol

Here ya go:

I'm starting to think that Tobi might actually be Uchiha Shisui. The majority of "Naruto" incorporates alot of Japanese mythology. One such thing that is used is something called "Tengu". I'm not going to go into a full detail explanation but what I am patient enough to say is that Tengu were supposedly crow-like creatures that could take human form. They were usually depicted with huge noses. I find it suspicious how Shisui's nose was unusually broad. Tengu were described as being a "bird of prey" or a black kite. "Tobi" means "kite" in Japanese. Also, one of Shisui's eyes was implanted into a CROW. Tengu were said to start wars. Tobi declared the Fourth Great Ninja World War in front of the Five Kage. I kind of doubt that Tobi actually is Shisui but this is some pretty good evidence in my opinion. I mean, they never told Shisui's age, and we've never heard him talk, so we can't compare either his age nor his voice. Plus, Shisui has fought Ao, which means that he could have been to the Mist Village. I guess MAYBE Tobi could be Shisui but it seems unlikely.

There is also some Japanese mythological evidence for Izuna. If I perceived the passage I read on this correctly, then there is a Tengu or Spirit called Izuna that has control over fox spirits *COUGH*TobiControlledKurama*COUGH* There are other hints of Tobi = Izuna as well. Like when Tobi clenched his arm when telling Sasuke about how Izuna gave Madara his eyes. He also told Konan that he gave then Rinnegan to Nagato and told Kabuto that the Rinnegan eyes were his to begin with.
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We know that there is truth to this claim, since Madara was resurrected with his eyes still intact. Edo Tensei resurrects you in the state which you died in, meaning Madara had to have had his eyes intact when he died. So, after Madara died, Tobi gave the Rinnegan to Nagato. He also says that the eyes were his to begin with. This would make sense as Izuna gave his eyes to Madara but then transplanted his eyes into Nagato. Nagato had Madara's eyes which were actually Izuna's eyes meaning that the Rinnegan technically belonged to Izuna. Also, Izuna and Tobi have the EXACT same weight and Tobi is only 0.2 centimeters taller than Izuna.

Tobi-
Height: 175.0 cm
Weight: 55.9 kg


Izuna-
Height: 174.8 cm
Weight: 55.9 kg

I know he died but he could have either faked his death or Madara brought him back with Rinne Tensei.

There is also ALOT of Japanese mythology supporting Tobi being Obito, but I've already posted that earlier in the thread and I don't feel like searching for it

 

[0moi]

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Here ya go:

You said something about Ay though....did you mean another name?

 

[TobiIsYourMom]

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You said something about Ay though....did you mean another name?

Oh, that. Lol, sorry. I meant to put I but I accidentally typed A, XD

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

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Not really, there's not exactly any HUGE evidence to disprove it. (Come at me, haters!)



Okay, i see your point now that you've explained it more thoroughly. I agree that suspense and confusion make a good story, but the result of that confusion should be something, awesome, satisfying, and climactic. Tobi being a creation of Madara wouldn't exactly be any of those, in opinion at least. So, that's why I can't exactly agree with the theory. I just think that someone who's identity has been a mystery for so long should be someone we know/recognize. Besides, fans have basically come up with like every possibility of who Tobi could be, so the logic that everyone thinks it's him, therefore it's not, kind of fails there.

Kewl, at least we agree on something. I think that tobi is someone we know but it's gonna be a shocker. I think he still is madara. All tobi kept saying is that he is a shell of his former self. And I find it funny that the manga page before he came out the coffin they showed that splitting technique that muu did . I feel like that has something to do with their plan. Also tobi got upset when he found out that kabuto brought him back trough Edo, even madara was ticked off.i think kabuto know who he really is cuz he brought back madara himself, and when he called him madara when after shown the coffin tobi calls him a smart ass.

Or nagato was an orphan and those really weren't his parents. His real father was tobi and he had him with an uzumaki chick. I don't know that sounds far fetched but just thinking outside the box.

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

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:sy: I'm basically stating facts, yet you continue to say I'm defenetly(definitely) trolling....? Whatever chief you just ignore my "wrong" statements then smh. And please point out where my statements are all wrong.

danzou does not have S/T = Shisui Uchiha eye does not give one S/T= TObi used S/T vs minato.

Therefore, your theory is wrong. if you refute this with facts and i might take a look at your theory. Dont use your assumptions to say shisui had S/T or that was the flicker because minato clearly said it was S/T. And tobi almost sucked minato.

show me a page in the manga where it shows that shisui had S/T or how his flicker looked like. If you cannot dont bother replying because you are wrong.

 

[0moi]

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Oh, that. Lol, sorry. I meant to put I but I accidentally typed A, XD

Damn you sent me on a huge loop lol, but I need to make a NB group called The Master Debaters [pun intended haha] made of nothing but the best Thread arguers no trolls just members that can cite almost everything they make theories on and make valid points....