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Kotoamatsukami is listed as Shisui & Danzou's eye technique
I've only witnessed Danzou use Kotoamatsukami twice so far
On Mifune during and Nonou*
As you know Danzou proposed a mission to Nonou
Nonou declined
*Danzou grabs his bandaged eye
Nonou reconsiders
Kabuto's departure from Konohagakure(joining Root) took place before Kurama's attack. If Shisui was the only Uchiha who had the Kotoamatsukami ability then Danzou possessing his eye before Kurama's attack is the only probable solution.Note, this entire theory revolves around if Danzou did indeed use Kotoamatsukami on Nonou.
[2nd] Danzou's space time technique usage:
Earlier that exact day Danzou fought Sasuke he used Kotoamatsukami on Mifune, as you know with Danzou having Hashirama's cells to help him use Kotoamatsukami once a day instead of once a decade. Kakashi can use a space–time ninjutsu called Kamui to send a target to another dimension. The attack requires considerable effort to aim with precision, leaving Kakashi's chakra significantly drained; considering that Kakashi is a non-Uchiha, the chakra drain is more significant to him than the other users of the Mangekyou Sharingan.
The Third Databook seems to hint that other Mangekyou Sharingan users can access the technique(Kamui), though this is unconfirmed. Danzou was a Mangekyou Sharingan wielder.
Danzou is not an Uchiha as well, he was already drained from Kotoamatsukami earlier, using space-time technique of Kamui's level would've only made things worse on his behalf. Which is why he used Izanagi, he had multiple sharingan and Kotoamatsukami shuts the eye with no draining effect. Which would be fatal to someone who only has 2 eyes, Danzou had 10.
All summoning-based techniques are space–time manipulation related, as they warp the targets through a dimensional void to the summoner's location.
Danzou did summon Baku during that fight so hypothetically speaking he can perform a space-time technique(s).
Somewhere in this explanation I may have repeated myself, if so I apologizes my PS3 is going slow, the words are appearing slowly as I type. Thank you for reading, next question please....
[1st] Shisui's eye possession:
Kotoamatsukami is listed as Shisui & Danzou's eye technique
I've only witnessed Danzou use Kotoamatsukami twice so far
On Mifune during and Nonou*
As you know Danzou proposed a mission to Nonou
Nonou declined
*Danzou grabs his bandaged eye
Nonou reconsiders
Kabuto's departure from Konohagakure(joining Root) took place before Kurama's attack. If Shisui was the only Uchiha who had the Kotoamatsukami ability then Danzou possessing his eye before Kurama's attack is the only probable solution.Note, this entire theory revolves around if Danzou did indeed use Kotoamatsukami on Nonou.
[2nd] Danzou's space time technique usage:
Earlier that exact day Danzou fought Sasuke he used Kotoamatsukami on Mifune, as you know with Danzou having Hashirama's cells to help him use Kotoamatsukami once a day instead of once a decade. Kakashi can use a space–time ninjutsu called Kamui to send a target to another dimension. The attack requires considerable effort to aim with precision, leaving Kakashi's chakra significantly drained; considering that Kakashi is a non-Uchiha, the chakra drain is more significant to him than the other users of the Mangekyou Sharingan.
The Third Databook seems to hint that other Mangekyou Sharingan users can access the technique(Kamui), though this is unconfirmed. Danzou was a Mangekyou Sharingan wielder.
Danzou is not an Uchiha as well, he was already drained from Kotoamatsukami earlier, using space-time technique of Kamui's level would've only made things worse on his behalf. Which is why he used Izanagi, he had multiple sharingan and Kotoamatsukami shuts the eye with no draining effect. Which would be fatal to someone who only has 2 eyes, Danzou had 10.
All summoning-based techniques are space–time manipulation related, as they warp the targets through a dimensional void to the summoner's location.
Danzou did summon Baku during that fight so hypothetically speaking he can perform a space-time technique(s).
Somewhere in this explanation I may have repeated myself, if so I apologizes my PS3 is going slow, the words are appearing slowly as I type. Thank you for reading, next question please....
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According to Tobi, Danzou's possession of both the Uchiha clan's sharingan(Older Son's gift - SO6P's eyes) and the Senju clan's cells(Younger Son's gift - SO6P's body) most likely meant that he was after Naruto, with the goal of controlling the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox.
I REPEAT DANZOU POSSESSED EVERYTHING NEEDED TO CONTROL BIJUU, not yelling just making sure you guys see this....
According to Tobi, Danzou's possession of both the Uchiha clan's sharingan(Older Son's gift - SO6P's eyes) and the Senju clan's cells(Younger Son's gift - SO6P's body) most likely meant that he was after Naruto, with the goal of controlling the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox.
I REPEAT DANZOU POSSESSED EVERYTHING NEEDED TO CONTROL BIJUU, not yelling just making sure you guys see this....
iknowwhotobiis
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dont bother use logic with Omoi he is defenetly trolling. LOok at his statements... lol they are all wrong
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I'm starting to think that Tobi might actually be Uchiha Shisui. The majority of "Naruto" incorporates alot of Japanese mythology. One such thing that is used is something called "Tengu". I'm not going to go into a full detail explanation but what I am patient enough to say is that Tengu were supposedly crow-like creatures that could take human form. They were usually depicted with huge noses. I find it suspicious how Shisui's nose was unusually broad. Tengu were described as being a "bird of prey" or a black kite. "Tobi" means "kite" in Japanese. Also, one of Shisui's eyes was implanted into a CROW. Tengu were said to start wars. Tobi declared the Fourth Great Ninja World War in front of the Five Kage. I kind of doubt that Tobi actually is Shisui but this is some pretty good evidence in my opinion. I mean, they never told Shisui's age, and we've never heard him talk, so we can't compare either his age nor his voice. Plus, Shisui has fought Ao, which means that he could have been to the Mist Village. I guess MAYBE Tobi could be Shisui but it seems unlikely.
There is also some Japanese mythological evidence for Izuna. If I perceived the passage I read on this correctly, then there is a Tengu or Spirit called Izuna that has control over fox spirits *COUGH*TobiControlledKurama*COUGH* There are other hints of Tobi = Izuna as well. Like when Tobi clenched his arm when telling Sasuke about how Izuna gave Madara his eyes. He also told Konan that he gave then Rinnegan to Nagato and told Kabuto that the Rinnegan eyes were his to begin with.
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We know that there is truth to this claim, since Madara was resurrected with his eyes still intact. Edo Tensei resurrects you in the state which you died in, meaning Madara had to have had his eyes intact when he died. So, after Madara died, Tobi gave the Rinnegan to Nagato. He also says that the eyes were his to begin with. This would make sense as Izuna gave his eyes to Madara but then transplanted his eyes into Nagato. Nagato had Madara's eyes which were actually Izuna's eyes meaning that the Rinnegan technically belonged to Izuna. Also, Izuna and Tobi have the EXACT same weight and Tobi is only 0.2 centimeters taller than Izuna.
Tobi-
Height: 175.0 cm
Weight: 55.9 kg
Izuna-
Height: 174.8 cm
Weight: 55.9 kg
I'm starting to think that Tobi might actually be Uchiha Shisui. The majority of "Naruto" incorporates alot of Japanese mythology. One such thing that is used is something called "Tengu". I'm not going to go into a full detail explanation but what I am patient enough to say is that Tengu were supposedly crow-like creatures that could take human form. They were usually depicted with huge noses. I find it suspicious how Shisui's nose was unusually broad. Tengu were described as being a "bird of prey" or a black kite. "Tobi" means "kite" in Japanese. Also, one of Shisui's eyes was implanted into a CROW. Tengu were said to start wars. Tobi declared the Fourth Great Ninja World War in front of the Five Kage. I kind of doubt that Tobi actually is Shisui but this is some pretty good evidence in my opinion. I mean, they never told Shisui's age, and we've never heard him talk, so we can't compare either his age nor his voice. Plus, Shisui has fought Ao, which means that he could have been to the Mist Village. I guess MAYBE Tobi could be Shisui but it seems unlikely.
There is also some Japanese mythological evidence for Izuna. If I perceived the passage I read on this correctly, then there is a Tengu or Spirit called Izuna that has control over fox spirits *COUGH*TobiControlledKurama*COUGH* There are other hints of Tobi = Izuna as well. Like when Tobi clenched his arm when telling Sasuke about how Izuna gave Madara his eyes. He also told Konan that he gave then Rinnegan to Nagato and told Kabuto that the Rinnegan eyes were his to begin with.
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We know that there is truth to this claim, since Madara was resurrected with his eyes still intact. Edo Tensei resurrects you in the state which you died in, meaning Madara had to have had his eyes intact when he died. So, after Madara died, Tobi gave the Rinnegan to Nagato. He also says that the eyes were his to begin with. This would make sense as Izuna gave his eyes to Madara but then transplanted his eyes into Nagato. Nagato had Madara's eyes which were actually Izuna's eyes meaning that the Rinnegan technically belonged to Izuna. Also, Izuna and Tobi have the EXACT same weight and Tobi is only 0.2 centimeters taller than Izuna.
Tobi-
Height: 175.0 cm
Weight: 55.9 kg
Izuna-
Height: 174.8 cm
Weight: 55.9 kg
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edo tensai wilmaso
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All these theories based on height and weight, about whether or not he took shusui eyes 8 years before he died (lmao) I'll just let those go , when will you people get the Tobi is tobi he's a creation of madara and he was supposed to bring him back from the dead.
Izuna theories are the funniest tough ... Izuna died and madara takes his eyes. Point blank period.
All these theories based on height and weight, about whether or not he took shusui eyes 8 years before he died (lmao) I'll just let those go , when will you people get the Tobi is tobi he's a creation of madara and he was supposed to bring him back from the dead.
Izuna theories are the funniest tough ... Izuna died and madara takes his eyes. Point blank period.
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:sy: I'm basically stating facts, yet you continue to say I'm defenetly(definitely) trolling....? Whatever chief you just ignore my "wrong" statements then smh. And please point out where my statements are all wrong.
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First of all we don't know if Danzo used KA against Nonou. Actually I doubt he would have since again, he wouldn't have had Shisui's eye at that point in time. Kabuto is 23 years old, he was brought to that village when he was 3. Three years passed since Kabuto arrived and Danzo came there to talk to Nonou. so Kabuto was 6 at that time. So that was 17 years ago, Shisui died 8 years ago. Therefore Danzo DID NOT have Shisui's eye when he met with Nonou. Nonou had NO choice but to change her mind, he wouldn't have even needed to use KA even if he did have Shisui's eye at the time. If she didn't go on the mission, the orphanage would have lost its funding, and, as implied by Orochimaru and the other Ninja with Danzo at the time, they would have attacked the village and stolen children. SO Nonou has no choice but to go with them, KA was not needed. Not that Danzo has Shisui's eye anyway.
Secondly, you are acting like if Danzo had a Space-Time Jutsu that it would be like Kamui. Which is obviously not true. According to YOU, Danzo was Tiger Stripe Tobi, that Tobi has exactly the same abilities that the Orange Mask Tobi used AGAINST DANZO right before Danzo fought Sasuke. We know all about that Jutsu he uses, he sends people to alternate dimensions when he touches them, and can phase his own body out and let attacks pass through. This can only happen for 5 minutes at a time though. It is also the same exact Jutsu that Tiger Stripe used against Minato. So how could Danzo have used this Jutsu against Minato without Shisui's eye? Shisui's eye doesn't even have this Jutsu. Danzo didn't use anything like it during his fight with Sasuke, and your reasons as to why are not valid. That Jutsu is not like Kamui, it doesn't take time to use it again, so why would he not use it against Sasuke. That Jutsu does not even use MS, the only reason Danzo wasn't using Shisui's eye was because he couldn't use Shisui's MS. He still wouldv'e had regular Sharingan though, which is what the Space-Time Jutsu uses, so why wouldn't he use it?
He wouldn't have had to waste Izanagi, along with his eyes. He could have just phased through any of the attacks Sasuke did. And I would think Danzo would want to keep his 10 Sharingan, why? Where is he going to get more now? Tobi has basically every single Sharingan, Danzo would not be able to put new Sharingan into his arm to replace the ones he lost due to Izanagi. So he would rather use a space-time jutsu that let's him do basically the exact same stuff that Orange Tobi does. Oh he doesn't have such Jutsu's, that's why he didn't use it.
Do you really think that Tobi would have the EXACT same jutsu's, and be two DIFFERENT people who posed as him? How would Tiger Stripe Tobi and Orange Mask Tobi have the EXACT SAME JUTSU if DIFFERENT people were each? It's not just ANY Jutsu, it's Jutsu that ONLY TOBI has been shown to have. NO ONE ELSE can phase through attacks like he can, and no one else can absorb ENTIRE people into a dimensional void he created. ALSO, Danzo's left arm is not made up of Zetsu like material...well neither is his right arm for that matter.
Oh look, Tobi's left left hand is falling off with no blood, and all gooey like. What is this like? Zetsu? Yes it is. Danzo has no such thing. Obviously according to you, since Danzo IS that Tobi in that picture, shouldn't Danzo have such an arm in current time? He had no such thing fighting Sasuke. Tobi is one person, and has always been one person. Danzo as Tobi is the most idiotic thing, worse than Obito is Tobi.
First of all we don't know if Danzo used KA against Nonou. Actually I doubt he would have since again, he wouldn't have had Shisui's eye at that point in time. Kabuto is 23 years old, he was brought to that village when he was 3. Three years passed since Kabuto arrived and Danzo came there to talk to Nonou. so Kabuto was 6 at that time. So that was 17 years ago, Shisui died 8 years ago. Therefore Danzo DID NOT have Shisui's eye when he met with Nonou. Nonou had NO choice but to change her mind, he wouldn't have even needed to use KA even if he did have Shisui's eye at the time. If she didn't go on the mission, the orphanage would have lost its funding, and, as implied by Orochimaru and the other Ninja with Danzo at the time, they would have attacked the village and stolen children. SO Nonou has no choice but to go with them, KA was not needed. Not that Danzo has Shisui's eye anyway.
Secondly, you are acting like if Danzo had a Space-Time Jutsu that it would be like Kamui. Which is obviously not true. According to YOU, Danzo was Tiger Stripe Tobi, that Tobi has exactly the same abilities that the Orange Mask Tobi used AGAINST DANZO right before Danzo fought Sasuke. We know all about that Jutsu he uses, he sends people to alternate dimensions when he touches them, and can phase his own body out and let attacks pass through. This can only happen for 5 minutes at a time though. It is also the same exact Jutsu that Tiger Stripe used against Minato. So how could Danzo have used this Jutsu against Minato without Shisui's eye? Shisui's eye doesn't even have this Jutsu. Danzo didn't use anything like it during his fight with Sasuke, and your reasons as to why are not valid. That Jutsu is not like Kamui, it doesn't take time to use it again, so why would he not use it against Sasuke. That Jutsu does not even use MS, the only reason Danzo wasn't using Shisui's eye was because he couldn't use Shisui's MS. He still wouldv'e had regular Sharingan though, which is what the Space-Time Jutsu uses, so why wouldn't he use it?
He wouldn't have had to waste Izanagi, along with his eyes. He could have just phased through any of the attacks Sasuke did. And I would think Danzo would want to keep his 10 Sharingan, why? Where is he going to get more now? Tobi has basically every single Sharingan, Danzo would not be able to put new Sharingan into his arm to replace the ones he lost due to Izanagi. So he would rather use a space-time jutsu that let's him do basically the exact same stuff that Orange Tobi does. Oh he doesn't have such Jutsu's, that's why he didn't use it.
Do you really think that Tobi would have the EXACT same jutsu's, and be two DIFFERENT people who posed as him? How would Tiger Stripe Tobi and Orange Mask Tobi have the EXACT SAME JUTSU if DIFFERENT people were each? It's not just ANY Jutsu, it's Jutsu that ONLY TOBI has been shown to have. NO ONE ELSE can phase through attacks like he can, and no one else can absorb ENTIRE people into a dimensional void he created. ALSO, Danzo's left arm is not made up of Zetsu like material...well neither is his right arm for that matter.
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Oh look, Tobi's left left hand is falling off with no blood, and all gooey like. What is this like? Zetsu? Yes it is. Danzo has no such thing. Obviously according to you, since Danzo IS that Tobi in that picture, shouldn't Danzo have such an arm in current time? He had no such thing fighting Sasuke. Tobi is one person, and has always been one person. Danzo as Tobi is the most idiotic thing, worse than Obito is Tobi.
TobiIsYourMom
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That's dumb. The final villain is not just gonna be some creation of Madara. Plus, how stupid of a reveal would that be? Madara could have revived izuna with Rinne Tensei. Madara could have stolen people's eyes and given them to Izuna.
edo tensai wilmaso
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show me proff its izuna?
oh and how can he revive izuna? he got the rinni shortly before he died?
the main reason he is having so much fun with the kages is because he's trying out moves for the first time. so how in the hell could he revive izuna when he couldn't even perform the jutsus you see him performing on the 5 kages.
also have some imagination i said creation but that can be interpreted in many ways , lot of ppl gonna get mad but who cares i hope it's not izuns,obito anyone we know that would be to predictable and boring.
no your dumb where did i say tobi was the final villain?
show me proff its izuna?
oh and how can he revive izuna? he got the rinni shortly before he died?
the main reason he is having so much fun with the kages is because he's trying out moves for the first time. so how in the hell could he revive izuna when he couldn't even perform the jutsus you see him performing on the 5 kages.
also have some imagination i said creation but that can be interpreted in many ways , lot of ppl gonna get mad but who cares i hope it's not izuns,obito anyone we know that would be to predictable and boring.
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TobiIsYourMom
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You never said Tobi was the Final Villain. You didn't need to. It's FAIRLY OBVIOUS that he is. You haven't provided any good proof why Madara couldn't have used Rinne Tensei. He's toying with the Kages, sure, but it doesn't mean that he hasn't used ANY Rinnegan moves. He activated it easily and is using it with experience. A already gave proof of Tobi being Izuna in a previous post on the last page. And, some pretty damn good proof, at that. It HAS to be someone we know. It's common sense. Why all the build up of his identity if he's just some random creation. you obviously have no idea of how storytelling works.
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Basically, we know that Tobi is not Madara now so this scene should be taken into question. What about the incident with Izuna would cause an "emotional arm clench" by Tobi? Who else would know about what happened or feel emotionally compelled towards the relationship between Izuna and Madara other than Izuna himself?
Not exactly "proof" since every theory has some truth to it but this definitely supports the Izuna theory more than any other.
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Basically, we know that Tobi is not Madara now so this scene should be taken into question. What about the incident with Izuna would cause an "emotional arm clench" by Tobi? Who else would know about what happened or feel emotionally compelled towards the relationship between Izuna and Madara other than Izuna himself?
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TobiIsYourMom
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Yes, that scene really creates a problem for Tobi theories other than Izuna.
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I wouldn't say that. Whoever Tobi is he could be grabbing his arm remembering the loss of it, possibly in a fight with Izuna. He may have wanted to keep the story that it was a willing exchange going. The whole idea of someone volunteering their eyes then going off to die in a battle sounds like someone under a KA variant. Very similar to Tobirama's decision to be a decoy, which was a suggestion that came from Kagami. Someone had to perform the surgery and it wasn't the donor or recipient. I just find it hard to believe that Tobi cared how someone thought Madara got the eyes but was ok with him being an Edo slave.
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2.He survived Tobi's assualt with little to no harm, meaning he has enough knowledge about that jutsu, or he uses it himself, like when Kakashi tried to attack Tobi with Kamui, it was pointless, same goes for Tobi against Danzou
3. It's not time consuming but it is stamina/chakra comsuming, as I stated earlier he had already used Kotoamatsukami earlier that day, he was drained regardless.
4. He wasn't going to have to get new eyes with Hashirama's cells he would be able to use them the next day, so if he had to "waste" them for a day to get rid of a lifetime nuisance, he made the right decision.
5. Ummmm you mean Kamui, the jutsu that Kakashi uses, being able to suck yourself and others into another dimension is Kamui, Kakashi can't do himself but he can do it to others, meaning Tobi isn't the ONLY ONE who can use it like you implied. And you're speaking of Orange Spiral who is Obito not Danzou. That jutsu in which Yellow Tigerstripe slips through others bodies is not Kamui
Kamui, sends the target or the wielder into another dimension. What Yellow Tigerstripe was not Kamui....
6. Zetsu is made of mokuton, Hashirama has mokuton, Danzou has Hashirama cells....do the math
1. 17 years ago is behind 8 years ago, thanx for making my point for me. Time limit of years whatever the case, Shisui cared for the Uchiha as much as Itachi did maybe even more, Danzou couldv'e taken his eye telling him the same crap he told Itachi, put Itachi in Sasuke's postion, and Shisui in Itachi's. Danzou couldv'e told Shisui either he goes along with his plan or he'll destroy the Uchiha clan, including Itachi. All Shisui had to do was give Danzou 1 of his eyes. Uchiha members may have noticed his eye was missing, but he wasn't telling anyone what happened. Shisui was one of the most feared Uchiha within his clan, so nobody was going to make him tell them what happened.
2.He survived Tobi's assualt with little to no harm, meaning he has enough knowledge about that jutsu, or he uses it himself, like when Kakashi tried to attack Tobi with Kamui, it was pointless, same goes for Tobi against Danzou
3. It's not time consuming but it is stamina/chakra comsuming, as I stated earlier he had already used Kotoamatsukami earlier that day, he was drained regardless.
4. He wasn't going to have to get new eyes with Hashirama's cells he would be able to use them the next day, so if he had to "waste" them for a day to get rid of a lifetime nuisance, he made the right decision.
5. Ummmm you mean Kamui, the jutsu that Kakashi uses, being able to suck yourself and others into another dimension is Kamui, Kakashi can't do himself but he can do it to others, meaning Tobi isn't the ONLY ONE who can use it like you implied. And you're speaking of Orange Spiral who is Obito not Danzou. That jutsu in which Yellow Tigerstripe slips through others bodies is not Kamui
Kamui, sends the target or the wielder into another dimension. What Yellow Tigerstripe was not Kamui....
6. Zetsu is made of mokuton, Hashirama has mokuton, Danzou has Hashirama cells....do the math
Common Sense that Tobi is Izuna Uchiha
Tobi:
-Height 175.0 cm
-Weight 55.9 kg
Izuna:
-Height 174.8 cm
-Weight 55.9 kg
Madara's hobby is falconry.
Tobi can be translated as "kite" (鳶). Connects Tobi with Taka through the Japanese proverb "a hawk born from a kite" (鳶が鷹を生む, tobi ga taka o umu)
So Madara's hobby is falconry, and Tobi can be translated as a Kite - Hawk.
Nice connections already, but some more ...
"The true power of the Sharingan… this Madara Uchiha's power!" Indicating that from Tobi's point of view, Madara's power belong to him ... one Uchiha's power = Sharingan eyes ... Madara's EMS/Rinnegan eyes are those of Izuna.
Tobi is narrating the Uchiha history, even from pre-Konoha time ... things about Izuna and Madara etc.
Sharingan has ability to project one's memories/thoughts to other people just like Itachi did so to Sasuke, to show him the story of Madara and Izuna.
It's obvious that Tobi has shown this to Itachi at first.
How can one know how Izuna and Madara trained together, killed their friends to get MS and this ? :
Notice his reaction
It's simple ... Tobi was alive back then and SURE is an Uchiha.
Also Tobi said that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan ... Madara himself lays evidence to this as he is aware of who Nagato is and that he was supposed to revive him with Rinnegan.
So what Tobi said is true, "Uchiha Madara" gave Nagato the Rinnegan, his own eyes ... (unless Rinnegans do grow on trees)
Tobi said to Kabuto that's already aware of who Tobi is: "The eyes were mine to begin with" (referring to the Rinnegan) basically saying that the Rinnegan that Nagato has is his ... but the eyes are Madara's ... right ?
Nope, the Rinnegan that Madara has awakened are eyes of none other than of Izuna himself.
More ...
"What did my brother (Izuna, Tobi is still acting as Madara here) sacrificed his eyes for?"
That's a very good question ... Izuna gave Madara his eyes so he could regain sight and power to win the war against Senju, to battle Hashirama.
ONLY for Madara to sign a truce with Hashirama Senju (he was forced by other Uchiha as they wanted peace due to being tired from constant fighting) so basically Izuna's sacrifice was in the scheme of things, a waste ...
I think it's pretty obvious already ... but the last but not the least, it took a whole month for Sasuke to accustom to Itachi's eyes.
Tobi was able to use the Rinnegan right after retrieving Nagato's corpse, pretty much confirming the eyes as his ... Izuna's.
Tobi:
-Height 175.0 cm
-Weight 55.9 kg
Izuna:
-Height 174.8 cm
-Weight 55.9 kg
Madara's hobby is falconry.
Tobi can be translated as "kite" (鳶). Connects Tobi with Taka through the Japanese proverb "a hawk born from a kite" (鳶が鷹を生む, tobi ga taka o umu)
So Madara's hobby is falconry, and Tobi can be translated as a Kite - Hawk.
Nice connections already, but some more ...
"The true power of the Sharingan… this Madara Uchiha's power!" Indicating that from Tobi's point of view, Madara's power belong to him ... one Uchiha's power = Sharingan eyes ... Madara's EMS/Rinnegan eyes are those of Izuna.
Tobi is narrating the Uchiha history, even from pre-Konoha time ... things about Izuna and Madara etc.
Sharingan has ability to project one's memories/thoughts to other people just like Itachi did so to Sasuke, to show him the story of Madara and Izuna.
It's obvious that Tobi has shown this to Itachi at first.
How can one know how Izuna and Madara trained together, killed their friends to get MS and this ? :
Notice his reaction
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It's simple ... Tobi was alive back then and SURE is an Uchiha.
Also Tobi said that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan ... Madara himself lays evidence to this as he is aware of who Nagato is and that he was supposed to revive him with Rinnegan.
So what Tobi said is true, "Uchiha Madara" gave Nagato the Rinnegan, his own eyes ... (unless Rinnegans do grow on trees)
Tobi said to Kabuto that's already aware of who Tobi is: "The eyes were mine to begin with" (referring to the Rinnegan) basically saying that the Rinnegan that Nagato has is his ... but the eyes are Madara's ... right ?
Nope, the Rinnegan that Madara has awakened are eyes of none other than of Izuna himself.
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"What did my brother (Izuna, Tobi is still acting as Madara here) sacrificed his eyes for?"
That's a very good question ... Izuna gave Madara his eyes so he could regain sight and power to win the war against Senju, to battle Hashirama.
ONLY for Madara to sign a truce with Hashirama Senju (he was forced by other Uchiha as they wanted peace due to being tired from constant fighting) so basically Izuna's sacrifice was in the scheme of things, a waste ...
I think it's pretty obvious already ... but the last but not the least, it took a whole month for Sasuke to accustom to Itachi's eyes.
Tobi was able to use the Rinnegan right after retrieving Nagato's corpse, pretty much confirming the eyes as his ... Izuna's.
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