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Well after reading and seeing that episode when kabuto meet's tobi, well he says something he said "I expected no less from madara uchiha "YOUR VESSEL IS UNIQUE".
This last sentense is what hammering nails in my head why did he said your vessel that can only mean that madara uchiha is inhabiting some body as we know that toby's body is not completly human his hand was melted after 4th hokage's attack.
But again we see that madara uchiha is fighting in battlefield and he is a edo member.
what i think is that madara's conciesness or maybe hatered is inhabiting the so called "vessel" since his soul is summoned by kabuto. or the only other way for him to split like muu . but in any case i strongly beliave he is madara.
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No, Raju. Madara could have still manipulated Tobi and created him into this messy vessel he is now. Does not mean that he's possessing him or anything. Madara must have done experiments on Tobi that had to do with Harishima's DNA.
The manga is making is VERY clear that Tobi is not Madara in any way, shape or form. Tsunade stated Tobi was using Madara's as a title of power, he has been called fake Madara, and the real Madara just met Kabuto and does not know what's going on. Also, when Tobi realized Kabuto had summoned Madara before the world, he ceased his charade and showed a third personality. Hateful, emo, and insane. Not cool and collected like Madara. Tobi also doesn't accept the strength of his opponents, but Madara gives props when others use good counters. They are completely different people.
No, Raju. Madara could have still manipulated Tobi and created him into this messy vessel he is now. Does not mean that he's possessing him or anything. Madara must have done experiments on Tobi that had to do with Harishima's DNA.
The manga is making is VERY clear that Tobi is not Madara in any way, shape or form. Tsunade stated Tobi was using Madara's as a title of power, he has been called fake Madara, and the real Madara just met Kabuto and does not know what's going on. Also, when Tobi realized Kabuto had summoned Madara before the world, he ceased his charade and showed a third personality. Hateful, emo, and insane. Not cool and collected like Madara. Tobi also doesn't accept the strength of his opponents, but Madara gives props when others use good counters. They are completely different people.
Yea Tobi isn't Madara, Madara is currently fighting the 5 kages; Ay, Tsunade
, Mei, Gaara, & Oonoki, will not go into anymore detail lol no spoilers today lol
OK so people have been coming up with theories on Tobi's identity, some obviously making a better explanation of their theory than others but they usually tend to lean with characters like Obito Shisui Izuna and recently Kagami. So I wanted to come up with a theory which is credible and has evidences that are very convincing for the reader, while not being a copy and paste of Moby D^^K heh here's my attempt at who I think Tobi is
My Unique Theory on Tobi
Okay so I've recently been giving serious attention to who I think Tobi is and I've been able to come up with his Identity. He is not The Sage of the six paths son nor is he Obito or Izuna in my perspective. I believe that he is an Uchiha with very similar core values to Madara Uchiha.
Now for the Background Info.
Firstly we know that the Uchiha were planning a coup because of the injustices that were bought to them because of the Senju. Now during the beginning of this feeling of taking an action against the Leaf Village (This feeling started during the Second Hokage's reign) there was a man who was trying and gaining support for the kindling of a rebellion. This Man was Setsuna Uchiha. ( Refer to Ch. 399 pg 14 for his image or look at NarutoPedia. I believe he is Tobi.
Now many things are instrumental to actually proving he is Tobi, firstly Setsuna lived during Nidaime's reign meaning that he would be aged closer to Danzo's year's. Now this explains the wrinkles on his face when he partially takes his mask off for sasuke, but there's more than just that. Tobi has a hairstyle equivelent to Setsuna Uchiha (maybe Setsuna's is a tad longer but who said he couldn't cut it.)
Studying the information Tobi gave us in ch.399 you could say that Setsuna had ideals that show that he was pissed off at the Senju like the real Madara who isn't dead yet at this point because Nagato isn't probably born yet at this stage.)
How about if the real Madara told Setsuna about his ambition to "become complete" via the moon eye plan, and Setsuna saw it as a better alternative than just a coup. But the thing is that Madara uses Setsuna as his substitute giving him access to Shodai's DNA which he had stolen during the battle at the Valley of the End which gives him the regeneration thing.
Now a very interesting tidbit is that "Setsuna" means Instant or Moment. Now I would say that Tobi (Setsuna) was gifted with the teleportation technique naturally only because we haven't seen Madara Uchiha performing it... Although it may have been a run down version of the technique like FTG Tech and Zetsu became the 'portal' or seal which is needed to re-enter the world as Zetsu said he was the land itself and I am paraphrasing.~Ch. 526 pg 6
To add to this the real Madara would go about and make all the necessary preparations for the fake to take over. He would meet with Kisame, give nagato his rinnegan meet with itachi once then let setsuna pose as the real Madara who dies but not without having his *substitute*. This explains how the masked man had long hair then short hair afterwards when he goes to fight minato.
Furthermore when Tobi fought Konan something that intrigued me was the fact that his other eye had a sharingan... Didn't he say that he used Izanagi against the first therefore permanently killing his sight in one eye. That first contradiction led me to believe that Tobi wasn't Madara (BTW doesn't that rule out Obito and Izuna since they were fully or partially blind?) ~Ch. 510 pg 8
Anyways this is my opinion on the matter and it provides for a convincing argument in my opinion (Anyhow I just wanted to break away from the traditional "Shisui Izuna Obito" Ideas)
Now tell me what you guys think about it and whether or not you like it or not, or if you see any inconsistencies with my theory or even could debunk it try to attempt it but if you support it lemme know and leave a comment
While I applaud your theory for you trying to tie in some facts and not just basing it off of bullshit, I still don't think it is possible. For one you are still making a lot of assumptions. We don't know ANYTHING about Setsuna. Sure he was shown in ONE panel with Tobi saying some Uchiha's saw his ideals now and wanted to stage a rebellion. So he was obviously part of that rebellion. But we don't know how strong he was, we don't know anything, let alone his name from that one panel. If you don't read the databooks you would never know of Setsuna's name, and that would be pretty bad writing in my mind for Kishi to make Tobi Setsuna when the majority of people who read Naruto would not even know how the **** he is.
Secondly, yes he was alive during Tobirama's reign, but he looks to be more along the lines of Tobirama's age, not Danzo's. Danzo was young during that time, Setsuna looks older. Meaning if he was Tobirama's age, he would be basically 90 years old in the current time. Which is way to old to be Tobi in my opinion.
We have enough data ... to consider tobi being izuna ... we have the reason .. the power .... the wish of looking up to madaras name ...... same goal as madara... the age .... the reason of why tobi has normal sharingan .....and many angles that are coverd..etc.... there is 90% that tobi is izuna ... so yes .. the obito ... and all other assumption are retarded....because they do not cover all the angles
Note: izuna name was in the manga .. tobi has said about him and clench his arm when saying about him ( because he is izuna )
madara has said his brother is dead ... because izuna has died .. that dosent mean he was not later resurrected ...
I thought Tobi was Izuna for the longest time, but I know think he Izuna would be to old to be Tobi. Izuna would be at MOST 10 years younger than Madara, most likely not that much younger, probably 5 years maybe. Meaning Izuna in the current time would be anywhere from about 90-100 years old. That is WAY to old to be Tobi in my opinion. The only way I can see this working is if Madara used his Rinnegan, shortly before he gave them to Nagato, to revive Izuna using Rinne Tensei. He gave Nagato the Rinnegan about 46 years ago. So if Izuna was..lets say around 20-30 years old when he died. If Madara revived him back then, then 46 years would have passed still, and Izuna would be 66-76 years old in current time. Which COULD be around Tobi's age, since Tobi obviously has wrinkles and looks older. I don't know if I believe that this happened or not, but it COULD be a possibility.
O_______O Geez, man. That was a really well thought out response. I'm actually reconsidering things now. I still also think it could be Obito too because, well, I don't see anyone else being able to create an emotional reaction in any of the characters fighting Tobi. I just think that it would be pretty cliche for him to be Izuna. It's just that, his physical appearance doesn't match Izuna at all. The eyelids look too short. And the eyeshape is kind of different. i would be an OK twist, i guess.
Yes, there is alot of evidence pointing towards Setsuna, and I mean, alot! the one thing that really destroys this theory though is the fact that he is WAY too random of a character.
How is there SO many similarities between Tobi and Setsuna? Like seriously, Setsuna was in ONE ****ING PANEL in the Manga. ONE. And it didn't even say his name. Not everyone reads the databooks, Kishi wouldn't make the MAIN villain of the series a RANDOM Uchiha that was in ONE PANEL of the Manga that you wouldn't even know what his name was if you didn't read the databooks. Plus I don't even know how you know there are SO MANY similarities between Tobi and Setsuna if Setsuna was in ONE PANEL of the Manga. It doesn't say ANYTHING about him, how do you know what abilities he had, or how powerful he was? Oh, that's right, you don't.
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Yes we just know oh so much about him from this ONE panel he was in EVER. That MUST mean he is Tobi. Seriously why don't you like...think for a second. Do you really think Kishi would make a random character the MAIN villain of the story? Do you know how SHITTY of writing that would be?
We have the same amount of data that shows Tobi(Orange & White mask) = Obito, I've already made my point that the Yellow mask Tobi may have been Danzou. The sooner you guys realize the was more than 1 shinobi that played the role of Tobi, it will make waaaay more sense. Just because he clenched his arm doesn't mean hes Izuna, At thag time was still claiming to be Madara, he could've just did tht to make his story more believable. The Tobi that helped Itachi during the massacre was Danzou, Izuna & Madara loved their can and wanted them back to their prestigious glory why the HELL would they want to eliminate all their members? Danzou wanted the Uchiha gone he had a motive, Izuna & Madara didn't
Well first of all let me say that I don't think it is possible for Tobi to be Izuna either, Izuna would be REALLY damn old currently. Old as in around 90 - 100 years old. That is to old in my opinion to be Tobi. But anyway, Danzo being the Tobi that attacked Konoha with the Kyuubi is the stupidest idea I have ever heard. Another person showed you that Tobi used Space-Time Jutsu when he fought Minato, but yet you just ignore that fact and don't try to answer his questions. Why? Probably because you know you are wrong and a ****ing idiot. And no he was not talking about Minato's arm slipping through Tobi, that MAYBE could have been Body Flicker. But Tobi tried to suck Minato into his other dimensional world, THAT is what he is talking about...THAT IS NOT BODY FLICKER. Danzo OBVIOUSLY does not have this ability. And if he did he WOULD have used it against Sasuke. WHY? BECAUSE THEN HE COULD SIMPLY PHASE THROUGH ALL OF SASUKE'S ATTACKS WITHOUT USING IZANAGI AND WASTING EYES. Seriously you are the densest person.
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So Tobi ISN'T using Space-Time Jutsu in those two middle panels? Ok. He OBVIOUSLY is and OBVIOUSLY ISN'T using Body Flicker.
Danzo DOES NOT have Space-Time Jutsu. Tobi USED Space-Time Jutsu to try to suck Minato into the other dimension during the Kyuubi attack on Konoha. THEREFORE, DANZO IS NOT ****ING TOBI DURING THAT ATTACK. Let me guess, you are going to avoid these statements and simply say "Just you wait and see, I am right." Yeah you probably are, because you have no answer for these statements that would make any sense at all.
Also for those who continue to say Obito had no motive for attacking Konohagakure, remember he is an Uchiha, the majority of them still carried Madara's grudge for Konohagakure. It wouldn't be shocking if this hatred had been passed down to Obito and thats how he felt all along. Anytime someone(Kakashi in particular) would down him or the Uchiha, Obito would flip(in a quite comical way but he was still very much pissed) The lines of hatred are connected from the Sage's Sons to Sasuke & Naruto. Danzou may very well be a part of Tobi's identity.
Tobirama chose Hiruzen over him as his successor
He makes Root to become Hokage by any means
He receives Hashirama's scrolls from Orochimaru
He takes Shisui's sharingan
He was skilled enough to fight Minato without dying
He had all the abilities needed to control Kurama
Also 1 MAJOR question....If Tobi is indeed Izuna, who was a born Uchiha, 2 sharingan. Why does the mask have 1 HOLE? If Edo brings them back to their former self everything should be intact right? This was proven when Itachi is brought back he has both his eyes, but Sasuke had his eyes at the time of his resurrection. If Izuna had both his eyes back why the need for the 1 hole mask? The answer is it WASN'T IZUNA TO BEGIN WITH! He was still in the ground....dead. The 1 hole mask would match someone who at the time only possessed 1 sharingan, Danzou, who by that time had already taken 1 of Shisui's. The whole mask design also plays into the "ANBU" look. Who made and lead an ANBU again? Riiiiight Danzou....
Note that I'm referring to the Tobi that fought Minato, not the Tobi who joins Akatsuki, that is Obito. Yes you read correctly, I believe there was more than 1 person playing the role of Tobi....
Ok another STUPID post by you, first of all the mask having one hole doesn't mean anything. People wear masks. If anything the reason he has one hole is because he was waiting until he got the Rinnegan back to wear a mask with two holes, to show both a Sharingan and a Rinnegan, like he does now. Secondly, Danzo wouldn't even have HAD Shisui's eye during the Kyuubi attack, so your whole "theory" is thrown out the window. And before you go saying "Oh Danzo had Shisui's eye back then, the timeline fits" or whatever the hell you are going to say...NO IT DOES NOT FIT. AT ALL. Shisui died EIGHT YEARS AGO, the Kyuubi attack was 16 YEARS AGO. Danzo got Shisui's eye SHORTLY before Shisui died, shortly as in a few hours, not ****ing years. Shisui was going to give Itachi both of his eyes for safekeeping, BOTH, but Danzo took one of his eyes basically right before Shisui was going to give both to Itachi. He couldn't have taken it any earlier than the day Shisui died, otherwise people would have ****ing noticed. Shisui didn't want ANYONE knowing that his eyes were still around, so he COULDN'T have been missing any eyes at all until the day he died otherwise people would have noticed, he wanted people to find his body with his eyes destroyed so people would think he destroyed his eyes, he couldn't have done that if people saw him walking about with eyes missing, so it had to be that day basically.
And yes, Shisui died EIGHT years ago. It's a fact. And the Uchiha Massacre happened shortly after his death, within a few months. Why? Itachi did the massacre shortly after he got his MS, and he got his MS because of Shisui's death. Which was 8 years ago. SO anyway, Danzo absolutely 100000% could NOT have had Shisui's eye during the Kyuubi attack, meaning he WOULDN'T have had ANY SHARINGAN to control the Kyuubi, MEANING HE IS NOT ****ING TOBI DURING THE KYUUBI ATTACK.
Please try to prove me wrong, I would love it. You obviously can't though, and are going to say something stupid and show no facts. God I can't stand reading this damn thread anymore.
While I applaud your theory for you trying to tie in some facts and not just basing it off of bullshit, I still don't think it is possible. For one you are still making a lot of assumptions. We don't know ANYTHING about Setsuna. Sure he was shown in ONE panel with Tobi saying some Uchiha's saw his ideals now and wanted to stage a rebellion. So he was obviously part of that rebellion. But we don't know how strong he was, we don't know anything, let alone his name from that one panel. If you don't read the databooks you would never know of Setsuna's name, and that would be pretty bad writing in my mind for Kishi to make Tobi Setsuna when the majority of people who read Naruto would not even know how the **** he is.
Secondly, yes he was alive during Tobirama's reign, but he looks to be more along the lines of Tobirama's age, not Danzo's. Danzo was young during that time, Setsuna looks older. Meaning if he was Tobirama's age, he would be basically 90 years old in the current time. Which is way to old to be Tobi in my opinion
I thought Tobi was Izuna for the longest time, but I know think he Izuna would be to old to be Tobi. Izuna would be at MOST 10 years younger than Madara, most likely not that much younger, probably 5 years maybe. Meaning Izuna in the current time would be anywhere from about 90-100 years old. That is WAY to old to be Tobi in my opinion. The only way I can see this working is if Madara used his Rinnegan, shortly before he gave them to Nagato, to revive Izuna using Rinne Tensei. He gave Nagato the Rinnegan about 46 years ago. So if Izuna was..lets say around 20-30 years old when he died. If Madara revived him back then, then 46 years would have passed still, and Izuna would be 66-76 years old in current time. Which COULD be around Tobi's age, since Tobi obviously has wrinkles and looks older. I don't know if I believe that this happened or not, but it COULD be a possibility.
How is there SO many similarities between Tobi and Setsuna? Like seriously, Setsuna was in ONE ****ING PANEL in the Manga. ONE. And it didn't even say his name. Not everyone reads the databooks, Kishi wouldn't make the MAIN villain of the series a RANDOM Uchiha that was in ONE PANEL of the Manga that you wouldn't even know what his name was if you didn't read the databooks. Plus I don't even know how you know there are SO MANY similarities between Tobi and Setsuna if Setsuna was in ONE PANEL of the Manga. It doesn't say ANYTHING about him, how do you know what abilities he had, or how powerful he was? Oh, that's right, you don't.
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Yes we just know oh so much about him from this ONE panel he was in EVER. That MUST mean he is Tobi. Seriously why don't you like...think for a second. Do you really think Kishi would make a random character the MAIN villain of the story? Do you know how SHITTY of writing that would be?
Well first of all let me say that I don't think it is possible for Tobi to be Izuna either, Izuna would be REALLY damn old currently. Old as in around 90 - 100 years old. That is to old in my opinion to be Tobi. But anyway, Danzo being the Tobi that attacked Konoha with the Kyuubi is the stupidest idea I have ever heard. Another person showed you that Tobi used Space-Time Jutsu when he fought Minato, but yet you just ignore that fact and don't try to answer his questions. Why? Probably because you know you are wrong and a ****ing idiot. And no he was not talking about Minato's arm slipping through Tobi, that MAYBE could have been Body Flicker. But Tobi tried to suck Minato into his other dimensional world, THAT is what he is talking about...THAT IS NOT BODY FLICKER. Danzo OBVIOUSLY does not have this ability. And if he did he WOULD have used it against Sasuke. WHY? BECAUSE THEN HE COULD SIMPLY PHASE THROUGH ALL OF SASUKE'S ATTACKS WITHOUT USING IZANAGI AND WASTING EYES. Seriously you are the densest person.
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So Tobi ISN'T using Space-Time Jutsu in those two middle panels? Ok. He OBVIOUSLY is and OBVIOUSLY ISN'T using Body Flicker.
Danzo DOES NOT have Space-Time Jutsu. Tobi USED Space-Time Jutsu to try to suck Minato into the other dimension during the Kyuubi attack on Konoha. THEREFORE, DANZO IS NOT ****ING TOBI DURING THAT ATTACK. Let me guess, you are going to avoid these statements and simply say "Just you wait and see, I am right." Yeah you probably are, because you have no answer for these statements that would make any sense at all.
Ok another STUPID post by you, first of all the mask having one hole doesn't mean anything. People wear masks. If anything the reason he has one hole is because he was waiting until he got the Rinnegan back to wear a mask with two holes, to show both a Sharingan and a Rinnegan, like he does now. Secondly, Danzo wouldn't even have HAD Shisui's eye during the Kyuubi attack, so your whole "theory" is thrown out the window. And before you go saying "Oh Danzo had Shisui's eye back then, the timeline fits" or whatever the hell you are going to say...NO IT DOES NOT FIT. AT ALL. Shisui died EIGHT YEARS AGO, the Kyuubi attack was 16 YEARS AGO. Danzo got Shisui's eye SHORTLY before Shisui died, shortly as in a few hours, not ****ing years. Shisui was going to give Itachi both of his eyes for safekeeping, BOTH, but Danzo took one of his eyes basically right before Shisui was going to give both to Itachi. He couldn't have taken it any earlier than the day Shisui died, otherwise people would have ****ing noticed. Shisui didn't want ANYONE knowing that his eyes were still around, so he COULDN'T have been missing any eyes at all until the day he died otherwise people would have noticed, he wanted people to find his body with his eyes destroyed so people would think he destroyed his eyes, he couldn't have done that if people saw him walking about with eyes missing, so it had to be that day basically.
And yes, Shisui died EIGHT years ago. It's a fact. And the Uchiha Massacre happened shortly after his death, within a few months. Why? Itachi did the massacre shortly after he got his MS, and he got his MS because of Shisui's death. Which was 8 years ago. SO anyway, Danzo absolutely 100000% could NOT have had Shisui's eye during the Kyuubi attack, meaning he WOULDN'T have had ANY SHARINGAN to control the Kyuubi, MEANING HE IS NOT ****ING TOBI DURING THE KYUUBI ATTACK.
Please try to prove me wrong, I would love it. You obviously can't though, and are going to say something stupid and show no facts. God I can't stand reading this damn thread anymore.
Smh I've stated my theory and I'm sticking to it no need to try to prove you wrong since I'm an idiot lmao. Not going to argue with you over anything. When Kishi reveals Danzou took part in the Kurama attack as Tobi, I'm not even gonna bust you out. You'll know I was right. I may have one of the most hated theories but IDGAF, my theory is logical without the whole bringing people back from the dead with doujutsus thing. Also it never gives an exact time frame from when Danzou takes Shisui's eye and Shisui's death so don't guestimate time frames just to make your statements seem clear....if you want you can ask me questions(not long ass paragraphs) containing how I've come to my assumption that Danzou was Tobi(Yellow Tigerstripe) I'll gladly answer those ?s without all that aggression you have bottled up
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I think my theory is the one that will unmask tobi although it has been said before, I have a more detailed version. I am new to NB but not new to Naruto, so my post may look abit s*it but I do know my stuff.
I think he's Izuna, why you say? To answer this we need to look at the facts.
1. Tobi has said that the rinnengan was originally his.
2. Durring his fight with Konnan he said that only people with Uchiha and Senju DNA can use Izunagi.
3. Tobi had been waiting along time to get a chance for him to capture Kyuubi.
4. Tobi is controling 7 bijuu with the rinnengan and using other techniques which use a f*ck load of charkra
Now if Tobi was Izuna then the rinnengan ARE his eyes, only different from when he last had them. It would also cause the rinnengan to take less charkra for it's jutsus. This fills one of the requirements to be Tobi.
To get the answer to how Izuna got Senju DNA we have to go into the mind of madara.
He just unlocked a new level of Dojutsu that has been regaurded as to powerful to be real. As a leader and being in so many battles of war he would see that with the rinnengan he could force the world into peace.
But there is a problem, as said in the manga Madara dies shortly after obtaining the rinnengan. He's now on a time limit and needs to make sure he can obtain peace. So he starts to plan...
How Madara plans his rebirth:
Madara knows he will soon die and his eyes will either be lost or used in ways he wouldn't agree with. He needs someone who he can trust to look after the rinnengan and will be loyal enough to see his plan through. After a long think he knows that there is only one suitable person which is obviosly Izuna. Reasons why he thinks of Izuna is because he trained intensely with him, they unlocked MS together, became the leaders of the Uchiha together (they surely must have the same ideals) and most of all the eyes are originally Izunas. His answer is rinne tensei
So hes found the person to be the rinnengans care taker. Now Madara has the problem that his brother could be weak and could die of old age or something. So now he has to obtain a power that can sustain life well, has good healing abillities and could keep Izuna alive. He realises that Hashi has the powers he needs, which is why he fights him.
The next problem he has to solve is Izuna will be revived without a clue whats happening. His solution is creating Zetsu, he can inform Izuna on whats happened, gather intel for him, and give Izuna the Senju DNA somehow.
So how was Madara going to be brought back? Tobi is told to give Nagato the rinnengan so he would eventualy revive Madara.
But how does he do that? Is what you will you be asking. I believe that the black Zetsu is the key for Madaras revival.
Here's other evidence that supports Tobi being Izuna.
We all saw Tobi clench his arm when telling Sasuke that Izuna willingly gave up his eyes for Madara.
Izuna being Tobi would give the reason why he went to visit Naruto, asking him how he got Nagato to betray him. It srewed his plan up majorly.
Tobi's using the rinnengan right now and isn't showing any fatigue, It's because the eyes are his and they don't draw extra charkra.
Kishi has already put all the info he needs into the manga to reveal that Tobi is Izuna.
If you have any thoughts on this I would like to here them.
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I like the Setsuna theory despite how little evidence is has. What interests me is that apparently he had access to Madara's corpse and his body held "secrets".
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omg ... all smart people know that tobi = izuna .... why the hell they insist with all other theoryes ?
And the best proff is that they both have the same plan the moon eye plan ... who the hell will follow your crazy plan to dominate the world ?....unless he is your brother .....
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Or your fanboy like you, Alexu. There could have been a lot of Uchiha who looked up to Madara. If it was Izuna without a shadow of a doubt, then Kishimoto failed to do his job.
Tobi will turn out to be someone that mirrors Naruto, like in all his big fights. Izuna is meaningless fodder that would not affect Naruto in any way.
While I applaud your theory for you trying to tie in some facts and not just basing it off of bullshit, I still don't think it is possible. For one you are still making a lot of assumptions. We don't know ANYTHING about Setsuna. Sure he was shown in ONE panel with Tobi saying some Uchiha's saw his ideals now and wanted to stage a rebellion. So he was obviously part of that rebellion. But we don't know how strong he was, we don't know anything, let alone his name from that one panel. If you don't read the databooks you would never know of Setsuna's name, and that would be pretty bad writing in my mind for Kishi to make Tobi Setsuna when the majority of people who read Naruto would not even know how the **** he is.
Secondly, yes he was alive during Tobirama's reign, but he looks to be more along the lines of Tobirama's age, not Danzo's. Danzo was young during that time, Setsuna looks older. Meaning if he was Tobirama's age, he would be basically 90 years old in the current time. Which is way to old to be Tobi in my opinion.
I thought Tobi was Izuna for the longest time, but I know think he Izuna would be to old to be Tobi. Izuna would be at MOST 10 years younger than Madara, most likely not that much younger, probably 5 years maybe. Meaning Izuna in the current time would be anywhere from about 90-100 years old. That is WAY to old to be Tobi in my opinion. The only way I can see this working is if Madara used his Rinnegan, shortly before he gave them to Nagato, to revive Izuna using Rinne Tensei. He gave Nagato the Rinnegan about 46 years ago. So if Izuna was..lets say around 20-30 years old when he died. If Madara revived him back then, then 46 years would have passed still, and Izuna would be 66-76 years old in current time. Which COULD be around Tobi's age, since Tobi obviously has wrinkles and looks older. I don't know if I believe that this happened or not, but it COULD be a possibility.
How is there SO many similarities between Tobi and Setsuna? Like seriously, Setsuna was in ONE ****ING PANEL in the Manga. ONE. And it didn't even say his name. Not everyone reads the databooks, Kishi wouldn't make the MAIN villain of the series a RANDOM Uchiha that was in ONE PANEL of the Manga that you wouldn't even know what his name was if you didn't read the databooks. Plus I don't even know how you know there are SO MANY similarities between Tobi and Setsuna if Setsuna was in ONE PANEL of the Manga. It doesn't say ANYTHING about him, how do you know what abilities he had, or how powerful he was? Oh, that's right, you don't.
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Yes we just know oh so much about him from this ONE panel he was in EVER. That MUST mean he is Tobi. Seriously why don't you like...think for a second. Do you really think Kishi would make a random character the MAIN villain of the story? Do you know how SHITTY of writing that would be?
Lol, calm the hell down, man. That comment I made was supposed to be sarcastic. Tobi's not Setsuna. that's obviously bad writing.
Well first of all let me say that I don't think it is possible for Tobi to be Izuna either, Izuna would be REALLY damn old currently. Old as in around 90 - 100 years old. That is to old in my opinion to be Tobi. But anyway, Danzo being the Tobi that attacked Konoha with the Kyuubi is the stupidest idea I have ever heard. Another person showed you that Tobi used Space-Time Jutsu when he fought Minato, but yet you just ignore that fact and don't try to answer his questions. Why? Probably because you know you are wrong and a ****ing idiot. And no he was not talking about Minato's arm slipping through Tobi, that MAYBE could have been Body Flicker. But Tobi tried to suck Minato into his other dimensional world, THAT is what he is talking about...THAT IS NOT BODY FLICKER. Danzo OBVIOUSLY does not have this ability. And if he did he WOULD have used it against Sasuke. WHY? BECAUSE THEN HE COULD SIMPLY PHASE THROUGH ALL OF SASUKE'S ATTACKS WITHOUT USING IZANAGI AND WASTING EYES. Seriously you are the densest person.
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So Tobi ISN'T using Space-Time Jutsu in those two middle panels? Ok. He OBVIOUSLY is and OBVIOUSLY ISN'T using Body Flicker.
Danzo DOES NOT have Space-Time Jutsu. Tobi USED Space-Time Jutsu to try to suck Minato into the other dimension during the Kyuubi attack on Konoha. THEREFORE, DANZO IS NOT ****ING TOBI DURING THAT ATTACK. Let me guess, you are going to avoid these statements and simply say "Just you wait and see, I am right." Yeah you probably are, because you have no answer for these statements that would make any sense at all.
Ok another STUPID post by you, first of all the mask having one hole doesn't mean anything. People wear masks. If anything the reason he has one hole is because he was waiting until he got the Rinnegan back to wear a mask with two holes, to show both a Sharingan and a Rinnegan, like he does now. Secondly, Danzo wouldn't even have HAD Shisui's eye during the Kyuubi attack, so your whole "theory" is thrown out the window. And before you go saying "Oh Danzo had Shisui's eye back then, the timeline fits" or whatever the hell you are going to say...NO IT DOES NOT FIT. AT ALL. Shisui died EIGHT YEARS AGO, the Kyuubi attack was 16 YEARS AGO. Danzo got Shisui's eye SHORTLY before Shisui died, shortly as in a few hours, not ****ing years. Shisui was going to give Itachi both of his eyes for safekeeping, BOTH, but Danzo took one of his eyes basically right before Shisui was going to give both to Itachi. He couldn't have taken it any earlier than the day Shisui died, otherwise people would have ****ing noticed. Shisui didn't want ANYONE knowing that his eyes were still around, so he COULDN'T have been missing any eyes at all until the day he died otherwise people would have noticed, he wanted people to find his body with his eyes destroyed so people would think he destroyed his eyes, he couldn't have done that if people saw him walking about with eyes missing, so it had to be that day basically.
And yes, Shisui died EIGHT years ago. It's a fact. And the Uchiha Massacre happened shortly after his death, within a few months. Why? Itachi did the massacre shortly after he got his MS, and he got his MS because of Shisui's death. Which was 8 years ago. SO anyway, Danzo absolutely 100000% could NOT have had Shisui's eye during the Kyuubi attack, meaning he WOULDN'T have had ANY SHARINGAN to control the Kyuubi, MEANING HE IS NOT ****ING TOBI DURING THE KYUUBI ATTACK.
Please try to prove me wrong, I would love it. You obviously can't though, and are going to say something stupid and show no facts. God I can't stand reading this damn thread anymore.
I think my theory is the one that will unmask tobi although it has been said before, I have a more detailed version. I am new to NB but not new to Naruto, so my post may look abit s*it but I do know my stuff.
I think he's Izuna, why you say? To answer this we need to look at the facts.
1. Tobi has said that the rinnengan was originally his.
2. Durring his fight with Konnan he said that only people with Uchiha and Senju DNA can use Izunagi.
3. Tobi had been waiting along time to get a chance for him to capture Kyuubi.
4. Tobi is controling 7 bijuu with the rinnengan and using other techniques which use a f*ck load of charkra
Now if Tobi was Izuna then the rinnengan ARE his eyes, only different from when he last had them. It would also cause the rinnengan to take less charkra for it's jutsus. This fills one of the requirements to be Tobi.
To get the answer to how Izuna got Senju DNA we have to go into the mind of madara.
He just unlocked a new level of Dojutsu that has been regaurded as to powerful to be real. As a leader and being in so many battles of war he would see that with the rinnengan he could force the world into peace.
But there is a problem, as said in the manga Madara dies shortly after obtaining the rinnengan. He's now on a time limit and needs to make sure he can obtain peace. So he starts to plan...
How Madara plans his rebirth:
Madara knows he will soon die and his eyes will either be lost or used in ways he wouldn't agree with. He needs someone who he can trust to look after the rinnengan and will be loyal enough to see his plan through. After a long think he knows that there is only one suitable person which is obviosly Izuna. Reasons why he thinks of Izuna is because he trained intensely with him, they unlocked MS together, became the leaders of the Uchiha together (they surely must have the same ideals) and most of all the eyes are originally Izunas. His answer is rinne tensei
So hes found the person to be the rinnengans care taker. Now Madara has the problem that his brother could be weak and could die of old age or something. So now he has to obtain a power that can sustain life well, has good healing abillities and could keep Izuna alive. He realises that Hashi has the powers he needs, which is why he fights him.
The next problem he has to solve is Izuna will be revived without a clue whats happening. His solution is creating Zetsu, he can inform Izuna on whats happened, gather intel for him, and give Izuna the Senju DNA somehow.
So how was Madara going to be brought back? Tobi is told to give Nagato the rinnengan so he would eventualy revive Madara.
But how does he do that? Is what you will you be asking. I believe that the black Zetsu is the key for Madaras revival.
Here's other evidence that supports Tobi being Izuna.
We all saw Tobi clench his arm when telling Sasuke that Izuna willingly gave up his eyes for Madara.
Izuna being Tobi would give the reason why he went to visit Naruto, asking him how he got Nagato to betray him. It srewed his plan up majorly.
Tobi's using the rinnengan right now and isn't showing any fatigue, It's because the eyes are his and they don't draw extra charkra.
Kishi has already put all the info he needs into the manga to reveal that Tobi is Izuna.
If you have any thoughts on this I would like to here them.
omg ... all smart people know that tobi = izuna .... why the hell they insist with all other theoryes ?
And the best proff is that they both have the same plan the moon eye plan ... who the hell will follow your crazy plan to dominate the world ?....unless he is your brother .....
You need to calm down, dude. You don't have to throw an internet sh*t fit just because people have different opinions than you. If Tobi is OBVIOUSLY Izuna, then that's bad writing on Kishi's part.
Or your fanboy like you, Alexu. There could have been a lot of Uchiha who looked up to Madara. If it was Izuna without a shadow of a doubt, then Kishimoto failed to do his job.
Tobi will turn out to be someone that mirrors Naruto, like in all his big fights. Izuna is meaningless fodder that would not affect Naruto in any way.
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Why are these guys still knocking theories, they are THEORIES let them think what they want to think, Kishi made Tobi's identity so mysterious and unknown for a reason. That reason was to have his fans make their own assumptions about who they think Tobi is. I for one think Izuna being Tobi is too obvious, and wouldn't take any thinking at all, plus Kabuto's flashbacks that had cameos of other shinobi would've been pointless. Kishi hasn't gone into detail or shown Izuna in forever. Not bashing theories just my opinion....
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From all I've read and my understanding I think Tobi is the sage of six paths.
1. when he speaks of past things he knows to be true, its as if he lived it.
2. he said " I gave nagato his rinnegan, and I'm taking it back", this could mean a mutitude of things.
3. he's been around long enough to think that the world will never change.
4. he knew about the ten tails and knows how to reanimate it.
Smh I've stated my theory and I'm sticking to it no need to try to prove you wrong since I'm an idiot lmao. Not going to argue with you over anything. When Kishi reveals Danzou took part in the Kurama attack as Tobi, I'm not even gonna bust you out. You'll know I was right. I may have one of the most hated theories but IDGAF, my theory is logical without the whole bringing people back from the dead with doujutsus thing. Also it never gives an exact time frame from when Danzou takes Shisui's eye and Shisui's death so don't guestimate time frames just to make your statements seem clear....if you want you can ask me questions(not long ass paragraphs) containing how I've come to my assumption that Danzou was Tobi(Yellow Tigerstripe) I'll gladly answer those ?s without all that aggression you have bottled up
Ok fine I'll ask questions. Why does Danzo never show any Space-Time Jutsu? According to you Danzo is Tiger Stripe Tobi, and that Tobi OBVIOUSLY used the Space-Time Jutsu to try to suck Minato into an alternate dimension. So why didn't Danzo use that against Sasuke? Don't you think it would be useful? He could have simply avoided all of Sasuke's attacks instead of wasting eyes for Izanagi. And Tobi absolutely 100% uses Space-Time during the Minato fight. So why wouldn't Danzo have this Jutsu any other time?
Oh and also, I am not guestimating when Shisui died, here are the facts that I copied from my thread: "We know Shisui died 8 years ago, according to Itachi's age. Itachi was 13 when he joined ANBU, and 6 months after that it was said Shisui started spying on him. Shortly after THAT, Shisui was found dead, based on Itachi's birthday, he would have been found dead around December to February." It was also said that Shisui did give Itachi his eye basically right before his death. Even if it was a few days or so before his death, it would still be IMPOSSIBLE for Danzo to have Shisui's eye during the Kyuubi attack. The Kyuubi attack was 16 years ago, Shisui died 8 years ago. Shisui could not have possibly, in any way, been missing an eye for 8 years without anyone noticing. It didn't happen. So Danzo absolutely 100% did not have Shisui's eye during the Kyuubi attack. And yes all those dates are in the Manga, and can be looked up, I am not looking it up again, all the info is in the thread I made a few weeks ago.
So Danzo didn't have Shisui's eye when you think he was posing as Tobi. I doubt he could have taken some random eye also without anyone noticing, not to mention some random Uchiha's eye probably isn't powerful enough to control the Kyuubi so well.
Yeah he thinks Danzo was Tobi when Tobi attacked Konoha with the Kyuubi, and the Tobi that is Tobi in the current time is a different person. So basically he thinks there was 2 Tobis. Danzo was the first Tobi, and whoever is the Tobi in the current time.
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I did some hardcore japanese mythology and tengu research last nigh, and found some astounding evidence for Tobi being Izuna. I am absolutely positive now that hye is either Izuna or Obito.
Or your fanboy like you, Alexu. There could have been a lot of Uchiha who looked up to Madara. If it was Izuna without a shadow of a doubt, then Kishimoto failed to do his job.
Tobi will turn out to be someone that mirrors Naruto, like in all his big fights. Izuna is meaningless fodder that would not affect Naruto in any way.
heh here's my attempt at who I think Tobi is 
