Hiruzen (god debate)

[myszka kun]

Hiruzen was not a god in my opinion but he was one of the most respectable and honourable shinobi in the shinnobi world

 

[Nadruto]

Okay consider what i have to say. This (God or 3rd hokage) was Called a god in a seemingly mocking tone to me by Orochimaru; and if even not a mocking tone think about Orochimaru for a second.... What did he value?? Ninjutsu... What did Sarutobi know ALOT of... Ninjutsu... I am not undertoning him as a Hokage but he was not a GOD nor did at this time orochimaru know too much about the other wonders(sage modes/ power of sage/ power of sharringan) So maybe.. JUST MAYBE orochimaru was saying it as in a idealistic way... Just saying

Point being, Maybe the author used this to create CHARACTER of orochimaru? Possibility? i think so.

It isn't Orochimaru who made the title "god of shinbi" for Hiruzen, he simply states that is what he was called in his prime. Meaning, that was he was known as by the people, who probably also came up with that name. And in any regards, it does not explain why Kishimoto himself said in an interview that Hiruzen and Minato together shares the spot as the strongest dead shinobi in the series. Why would he say that if it wasn't so? And if you have problems seeing a man who knew and could use ALL existing jutsu in Konoha as the most powerful shinobi, I'll just let you keep thinking that way. Because then logic seems to have no effect on your brain.

 

[Noobastank]

Hiruzen is no god in my opinion. Hashirama and SO6P are.

Hiruzen was not a god in my opinion but he was one of the most respectable and honourable shinobi in the shinnobi world

Your opinion does not matter. its not your manga. It Kishimoto's/ he says he is a God then he is a God of Shinobi. How can you say he is not when the creator says he is? At this point it is a FACT. Hiruzen is a God of shinobi.

 

[quinaboy13]

oro is weak if you compare him to other ninja´s and he killed hiruzen lol

 

[Thewargoeson]

ive been reading all your post and it was kinda funny on everything all of you assume.

the reason why hiruzen was called a "god of shinobi" is because he was the current hokage AT THAT TIME. and also at that time, the manga didnt even mentioned about the sage or hashirama being the god of shinobi also.

realisticaly explanation for this type of story is that the strongest being in the current story might not be the strongest in the next chapter. (unless the whole story is already written like harry potter that his final enemy will be voldemort).

examples:
DBZ - freeza says he is the strongest in the universe but if he says is right then the buu or kaio shouldnt exist. toriyama put them to supply or there is/should someone oppose the strength of the protagonist.
YYHakusho - as yusuke/eugene is getting stronger, his enemies also become stronger.
Bleach - ichigo's enemies are getting stronger and stronger everytime he successfully defeated his previous enemies.

and every manga/series there will always come a new and stronger enemy.

so to speak, the current strongest will not be the strongest in the upcoming chapter. maybe the new chapter is saying about a character who is so strong in the past but still, the character is only strong as its hype.

this is very common mistake for authors who were writing a series. that is why the fans can see plot holes in series that were written in on-the-go manner.

as true as tht is. it doesnt change fact tht kishimoto himself stated tht hiruzen, not hashirama, not madara, but hiruzen was the strongest dead shinobi. and as we know at the time both hashirama and madara were dead

Hiruzen is no god in old age.
No clue about his powers in prime bur he was capable enough to be made 3rd hokage by 2nd hokage. So yes, he is very powerful but i don't think he was god of shinobi at any point of time in history.

ok im gonna sound rly douchy here so a sorry in advance.
it rly doesnt matter if u think he is or not? the manga itself stated he was and so did the creator.

Hiruzen was not a god in my opinion but he was one of the most respectable and honourable shinobi in the shinnobi world

once again gonna sound douchy. look at the above post

oro is weak if you compare him to other ninja´s and he killed hiruzen lol

:sy: first off oro is not weak. second hiruzen didnt jst take on oro he also took on hashirama and tobirama

 

[bmnaruto]

Hiruzen was holding his own in the Battle with Edo Hashirama,

"Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history. In fact, he was so powerful that he was admired as the God of Shinobi (忍の神, Shinobi no Kami) in his prime and was said to be the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had. "

Hiruzen was a student under the Second Hokage which he also trained with the First Hokage, also knowing all the Jutsu's in Kohana then I would have to say Hiruzen would be more fit. Also if you pay close attention the next generation has always became stronger then the previous generation.
Examples: Naruto being able to Master Sage mode; Jiraya Couldn't,
Naruto Created and Mastered Fusing his elemental Chakra into the Resengan, Kakashi couldn't, Sasuke evolving the Chidori, Kakashi learned the Chidori and improved it to Lightning Blade, Kabuto Perfected Edo and reaching Sage Mode, Oro couldn't and didn't.

So my point is Hiruzen would in fact be stronger than Hashirama.

I do have one question though... If Hiruzen knew all the Jutsu from his village, wouldn't he know how to use Wood release, Chidori, Resengan, and FTG?

Mokuton is a KG so he can't use it. Chidori is a lightning element so I think he can't use it. Rasengan is just a shape manipulation so yes.
FTG no because only 4 shinobi's know how to use it. Minato and the 3 whom minato taught

 

[Thewargoeson]

Mokuton is a KG so he can't use it. Chidori is a lightning element so I think he can't use it. Rasengan is just a shape manipulation so yes.
FTG no because only 4 shinobi's know how to use it. Minato and the 3 whom minato taught

hiruzen was said to know all konoha ninjutsu. for tht he wud need lightning element.
and i believe he cud use FTG, does it ever say only 4 shinobi cud use it?

 

[Shouten]

Mokuton is a KG so he can't use it. Chidori is a lightning element so I think he can't use it. Rasengan is just a shape manipulation so yes.
FTG no because only 4 shinobi's know how to use it. Minato and the 3 whom minato taught

Mokuton is NOT A KG. It is just Hashirama is so good at deriving new jutsus that he managed to combine water and earth elements in order to create the wood element.

In short, Hashirama is a genius.No Kekkei Genkai, just simple blooded genius.

 

[Shouten]

If Prime Hiruzen is fighting Edo Madara, that emo hair Uchiha would be pretty much fvcked

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

Mokuton is NOT A KG. It is just Hashirama is so good at deriving new jutsus that he managed to combine water and earth elements in order to create the wood element.

In short, Hashirama is a genius.No Kekkei Genkai, just simple blooded genius.

:sy:

go re-read the manga it has been stated it is a kg.

 

[Shouten]

:sy:

go re-read the manga it has been stated it is a kg.

Evidence please. Rather, link please.

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

Evidence please. Rather, link please.

no point to show you basic evidence... if you fail to have basic knowledge in naruto, I will not bother arguing with you. It is like you asking me show me evidence that the main character is called naruto... You think i will spend about 15 minutes to find the page where they explain that... go look at the chapters where kakashi explains to naruto about the 4 different elements.

 

[CrimsonH4ze]

databook says hiruzen is strongest hokage, there is no debate you ape.

 

[siyo]

How can this be debated so heatedly when a shinibo god is still a shinobi god.Can anybody show me anybody who shared that nickname with him besides the actual S06P.If not then this thread is useless (no offense) and it is merely a ploy to de-hype Hiruzen.

Wait for Kishi to actually make a retcon on this subject before jumping the gun.

 

[Red Slayer]

oro is weak

Epic fail.you troll! :sy:

 

[bajram]

First of all in this site ppl have religion and it fuking sucks to just go and call a thread god debate wtf dude respect other people, if u dont have a religion i have and there are ppl who have fr me god is only 1, dont take me like im starting a religion war or anything but plz just dont go around and take gods name for fun ok?just dont look at japanese ppl who belive in buddha and make fun of god name -.-

 

[Conan Uchiha]

Wood release is a advance kg. Here is the proof

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Hiruzen may have been a good shinobi but he failed as a good Hokage. I know people may think I am a troll now but just think how many thinks went wrong when he was busy studying all the jutsus around konoha:
As a hokage you have to know what is going in your village. I mean even oro, tobi and itachi knew what danzo was up to but he didn't even sense a bit of danzo's wrong doing which lead to creating of pain, turning akasuki to a bad organization (partial), turning kabuto bad characters (partial), the massacrer of the uchiha and the collecting of the sharingan of the dead bodys (that is just awful not to notice it as a hokage) .

I am not even finished there is a lot he did wrong cause he wasn't a real leader I know he didn't like the idea of massacring the uchiha but he could prevent it but just simple saying I am the hokage and I will find a solution for it but he didn't plus don't forget the Oro chase: even though you know someone is a psycho and you have to stop him for the sack of thousands you let him go cause he was your pupil is just a raw fail!!!

Don't get me wrong I like Huruzen but his naivity is just deadly and he is nowhere compared to hashirame (both ability as a shinobi and leadership) who tamed all the best and shared them equally around all the villages and killed the biggest thread to shinobi world.

 

[icaka]

3 hokage is weak. Yet he is weak? Because he haven't enough hatred in his heard...

Xd Xd Xd.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

Mokuton is NOT A KG. It is just Hashirama is so good at deriving new jutsus that he managed to combine water and earth elements in order to create the wood element.

In short, Hashirama is a genius.No Kekkei Genkai, just simple blooded genius.

Oh god, I'm starting to get that headache again

 

[Ryuga28]

Stupid damn noobs arguing over some kiddish debate. The "God of Shinobi" is just a title and it doesnt mean Hiruzen has Godly powers... He was titled God of Shinobi bcoz he had learned every jutsu in his days and became hokage for so long even on an old state which seems immortal like a God. also he was very strong but not as strong as Hashirama. Hiruzen was just the strongest shinobi in his time. Hashirama could also have been titled God of shinobi bit he wasnt bcoz he wasnt the only strong shinobi at his time.. So stop arguing!