Hiruzen (god debate)

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Ok as we all know there has been a HUGE debate on the base about who's better hiruzen or hashirama.
while re-reading the manga i found something tht i feel cud hopefully put an end to it.
One of the main arguments people have is that "Hiruzen was hailed as the god of shinobi"
that page has been used alot, but it's a miss translation what orochimaru actually says is "its so pitifull that even you who has been hailed as a shinobi god, are vulnerable to the passage of time"
now i do know for a fact that this is the exact translation. so look at the bolded part in the translation. notice the a. this a is crucial to this argument. the a implies plural, which wud mean there have been other "gods of shinobi".
for example hashirama, madara, SO6P.
Now do not get me wrong hiruzen is incredibly powerful, definetly top ten (imo).
so the point of this thread is to say altho hiruzen is strong we cnt say he's stronger than anyone bcuz he was hailed as a god.

but while im on the subject of hiruzen i jst feel like trying to put an end to people underestimating him.
Ok as we all know hiruzen was nicknamed the professor bcuz he knew all existing konoha ninjutsu (besides KG techniques obviously).

Now what i've seen is people completely overlooking this fact.
Do u all realize what know all existing konoha ninjutsu. (now ik we have no technical proof tht he knows them all but if he oro said he cud i dnt see why we shudnt believe him)
It means he can use; rasengan, chidori, FTG, edo tensei.
ya i said it, FTG and edo. For these reasons; FTG is not a KG it was invented by minato. and as we all know he invented it while hiruzen was alive. so if oro said he knew all konoha ninjutsu tht wud include FTG.
Same with edo, hiruzen didnt use it because he thot of it as a disgusting inhuman technique because u had to sacrifice someone.
and I think he didnt use FTG bcuz it didnt fit to his fighting style. he was a mid range fighter who takes things slow and analyzes things.
hahaha sry got off track xd. but my point is we cnt tell if hiruzen or hashirama is stronger bcuz they are both god like shinobi. and my second point is people shudnt underestimate hiruzen, he's a boss.
 

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i believe that in his prime he is the 2ed strongest ninja ever.
 

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I think what orochimaru meant was that he was aware of ever jutsu from the village, meaning he knew the basics behind every jutsu in the village, but not how to perform them.
 

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oro is weak

Now that's going a bit too far. From what I can see, he's only weak against Genjutsu. The only reason Sasuke beat him was because Sasuke used Genjutsu on him and Orochimaru was in a weakened state. You're just trolling.
 

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I think what orochimaru meant was that he was aware of ever jutsu from the village, meaning he knew the basics behind every jutsu in the village, but not how to perform them.


here it says "use"
 

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but why wud he be hailed by oro as one?
sry for double posting

You didn't double post. :)

And I'm not sure why he called Hiruzen a god, but Hiruzen cannot have been stronger than Hashirama. He could have been, but it's not likely.
 

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You didn't double post. :)

And I'm not sure why he called Hiruzen a god, but Hiruze cannot have been stronger than Hashirama. He could have been, but it's not likely.

haha jst realized tht. i think he'd say it cuz its true?
i rly dont think we can tell bcuz theyr both hailed as gods
 

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A = Plural

there were TWO god of shinobi's in this manga

hiruzen and so6p.. that's why plural was used..

as for your existing..
ORO used past tense... existing means operating at a current time..

Hiruzen no longer knew all the existing justu of the leaf.. But at ONE TIME in the past.. he knew them all and was given the title professor by konoha villagers
 

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haha jst realized tht. i think he'd say it cuz its true?
i rly dont think we can tell bcuz theyr both hailed as gods

Hiruzen could have been in par with Tobirama, but I don't think with Hashirama. Hokages are strong, but non have been seen doing what Hashirama did. Maybe Orochimaru was trying to make Hiruzen doubt himself. That can make you weak during battle(not physically).
 

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A = Plural

there were TWO god of shinobi's in this manga

hiruzen and so6p.. that's why plural was used..

as for your existing..
ORO used past tense... existing means operating at a current time..

Hiruzen no longer knew all the existing justu of the leaf.. But at ONE TIME in the past.. he knew them all and was given the title professor by konoha villagers

its possible tht he only meant to im jst speculating on tht.
so jst to clarify are u saying he forgot those jutsus?
 

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Hiruzen could have been in par with Tobirama, but I don't think with Hashirama. Hokages are strong, but non have been seen doing what Hashirama did. Maybe Orochimaru was trying to make Hiruzan doubt himself. That can make you weak during battle(not physically).

its possible, like i said i rly dnt think we can say.
how wud reasurring him tht he is a god make him weak?
 

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From what I've seen of Hiruzen, he can't even beat Tsunade!

Tsunade would break his old ass face and Enma would get suplexed by her!
 

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hashirama>>hiruzen

hiruzen with a part 2 boost couldnt even hold his own against kyuubi. please dont say hashiramas abilities suppress bijuus bla bla bla. it doesnt suppress the moment it touches them. hashirama>ems madara and kyuubi. i can go on bout how hiruzens hype is false. but then i would be on here all night.
 
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