Itachi full power>EMS Madara

[KyoshiroSenju]

Please can you explain how he increased his strength?

He put hashirama cells to increase madara strength

 

[Baka Sennin]

how would Itachi defeat EMS Madara?

-Tsukuyomi is useless vs an uchiha with a mastered 3-tomeo, and no one has mastered the sharingan more than madara
- madara has tons more chakra than itachi
- Sasuke overpowered Itachi's katon with a similar c-rank, now imagine what would happen against Madara's which is 5 times larger and more powerful. Unless Itachi has a similar level water technique, that will be enough to force him to use susanoo. And even if he does have one, it will take a fair amount of his chakra.
- Madara's yasanaka magatama are more in numbers and more powerful than Itachi's
- Madara's susanoo in its initial stages has shown to be more powerful than at least Sasuke's, so it will probably be more powerful than Itachi's ribs too.
- speed, reactions and weapons wise, Madara is at least Itachi's equal. I would daresay he's even better actually given his reactions vs A, Naruto, Gaara etc.
- Itachi can't use kage bunshin frequently, it's just a waste of his chakra
- what is full health Itachi exactly? it's not the same as edo Itachi. I think it's just a myth Itachi fans have made up to sweep Itachi's weaknesses of stamina and blindness under the carpet.

 

[KyoshiroSenju]

how would Itachi defeat EMS Madara?

-Tsukuyomi is useless vs an uchiha with a mastered 3-tomeo, and no one has mastered the sharingan more than madara
- madara has tons more chakra than itachi
- Sasuke overpowered Itachi's katon with a similar c-rank, now imagine what would happen against Madara's which is 5 times larger and more powerful. Unless Itachi has a similar level water technique, that will be enough to force him to use susanoo. And even if he does have one, it will take a fair amount of his chakra.
- Madara's yasanaka magatama are more in numbers and more powerful than Itachi's
- Madara's susanoo in its initial stages has shown to be more powerful than at least Sasuke's, so it will probably be more powerful than Itachi's ribs too.
- speed, reactions and weapons wise, Madara is at least Itachi's equal. I would daresay he's even better actually given his reactions vs A, Naruto, Gaara etc.
- Itachi can't use kage bunshin frequently, it's just a waste of his chakra
- what is full health Itachi exactly? it's not the same as edo Itachi. I think it's just a myth Itachi fans have made up to sweep Itachi's weaknesses of stamina and blindness under the carpet.

Couldnt said it better

 

[obscoral]

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the only reason why madara his this is because of the senju dna kabuto put in him. so why do you put that as one of madaras powers. it was not his power to begin with.

this is where u are wrong
madara gained hashis dna (that grants mokuton) and awakened rinnegan

the only reason why kabuto added it to edo body is that dna belongs to body and not to soul, so when kabuto via edo tensei summoned madara`s SOUL, it of course did not have any dna.
edo tensei does note use original body, any random body can be used.
kabuto took some random ninja`s body and put madara`s soul in it, but this body of course does not have dna which madara`s true body had.
so kabuto had to add senju dna otherwise he would have weaker version of madara.

 

[Bogard]

- Sasuke overpowered Itachi's katon with a similar c-rank, now imagine what would happen against Madara's which is 5 times larger and more powerful. Unless Itachi has a similar level water technique, that will be enough to force him to use susanoo. And even if he does have one, it will take a fair amount of his chakra.

Why do you think using Susanoo is necessary to counter the katon jutsu? He can simply avoid it. He will only use Susanoo if he doesn't have time to do that.

- Madara's yasanaka magatama are more in numbers and more powerful than Itachi's

It's debattable. I think the number depends on what the user wants to do with it. For example after that, we've seen Madara using Magatama again against Tsunade and it was "only" 3magatama. So i think Itachi can do the same.

- Madara's susanoo in its initial stages has shown to be more powerful than at least Sasuke's, so it will probably be more powerful than Itachi's ribs too.

Yes his intial Susanoo is stronger, but with full Susanoo, Itachi has the edge here. With Totsuka he only needs to touch Madara once and seal him, with Yata he could be protected against a lot of powerful attacks.

- Itachi can't use kage bunshin frequently, it's just a waste of his chakra

You're right, but he can do that efficiently like he always do.

- what is full health Itachi exactly? it's not the same as edo Itachi. I think it's just a myth Itachi fans have made up to sweep Itachi's weaknesses of stamina and blindness under the carpet.

Itachi was sick when he was alive. I'm talking about Itachi without diseases. I'm only trying to show that Itachi is better. With better chakra, i see him stronger.

 

[ClashinDevestation]

this is where u are wrong
madara gained hashis dna (that grants mokuton) and awakened rinnegan

the only reason why kabuto added it to edo body is that dna belongs to body and not to soul, so when kabuto via edo tensei summoned madara`s SOUL, it of course did not have any dna.
edo tensei does note use original body, any random body can be used.
kabuto took some random ninja`s body and put madara`s soul in it, but this body of course does not have dna which madara`s true body had.
so kabuto had to add senju dna otherwise he would have weaker version of madara.

this is the answer^
he would be weaker if he didnt have it(dna). so this proves he was weaker when he was alive, and he would not be this strong if he did not have hashi dna.

 

[obscoral]

this is the answer^
he would be weaker if he didnt have it(dna). so this proves he was weaker when he was alive, and he would not be this strong if he did not have hashi dna.

duh! yes, he would be weaker if he did not have the power he GAINED (moku+rinne)
when he was alive he was himself lawl
edo tensei is just a soul, no original body = no dna
this is edo tensei`s weakness
if edo tensei uses original body, then there would be no need to add senju dna, it would already be there bcz madara GAINED IT IN HIS LIFETIME.

got it?

 

[Black Adam]

With or withouth the rinnegan Madara would kill itachi, he is superior in every single way. It's stated in the manga that only the first can beat him out of every ninja.. ?? What new generation beats old? My ****ing ass. The era Madara was in was by far strongest and hardest full of war.
5 kages which are suppose to be the strongest of their village are no match.
Personally I think that's insulting. Don't get me wrong itachi is a very powerful ninja but we are talking about the strongest uchiha to have ever lived up to date my friend

^^^ this

 

[Memoria]

I disagree with you, EMS Madara is still the strongest Uchiha IMO.

 

[Blaze Release]

We cannot accurately gauge, but from what we have seen from ems madara the only thing he has over itachi is his immense and power chakra able to use the uchiha fire techniques to its fullest.

What itachi has over madara is susano which gets an attack and defence boost. Along with his unrivalled intelligence and izanami

We still dont know whether madara tsukuyomi is an potent as itachi's or whether he mold amaterasu like sasuke, although both techniques most likely wouldnt be a factor. The downside is that he greatly underestimates his opponents and obviously he cannot afford to do this against itachi.

 

[ClashinDevestation]

duh! yes, he would be weaker if he did not have the power he GAINED (moku+rinne)
when he was alive he was himself lawl
edo tensei is just a soul, no original body = no dna
this is edo tensei`s weakness
if edo tensei uses original body, then there would be no need to add senju dna, it would already be there bcz madara GAINED IT IN HIS LIFETIME.

got it?

see your still saying he would be weaker without hashi dna. so madara without hashi dna<madara w/hashi dna right?

 

[obscoral]

see your still saying he would be weaker without hashi dna. so madara without hashi dna<madara w/hashi dna right?

of course he is
its like saying naruto without kyuubi < naruto with kyuubi
lawl.

but it does not mean that madara while he was alive did not have moku and rinnegan.
his body had but his soul -not
and edo revives soul
this is the problem
no body= no dna
so kabuto simply added what was missing

 

[ClashinDevestation]

when did he have power over moku? I thought that was the firsts kekkigenki. I thought he could only do the wood clones after becoming edo?

 

[yuan of cruxis]

I believe madara gat this one high dif.. itachi stated tht only uchihas can escape from his genjutsu so madara will be able to escape.. madara has more stamina,strength,chackra n more battle experience..itachi only has knowledge n brain.so is not really anything to defeat madara..madara win this high dif..

Not all genjutsus
Just Tsukyomi cause thats the only 1 with the rule of a blood relative capable of escaping

 

[yuan of cruxis]

how would Itachi defeat EMS Madara?

-Tsukuyomi is useless vs an uchiha with a mastered 3-tomeo, and no one has mastered the sharingan more than madara
- madara has tons more chakra than itachi
- Sasuke overpowered Itachi's katon with a similar c-rank, now imagine what would happen against Madara's which is 5 times larger and more powerful. Unless Itachi has a similar level water technique, that will be enough to force him to use susanoo. And even if he does have one, it will take a fair amount of his chakra.
- Madara's yasanaka magatama are more in numbers and more powerful than Itachi's
- Madara's susanoo in its initial stages has shown to be more powerful than at least Sasuke's, so it will probably be more powerful than Itachi's ribs too.
- speed, reactions and weapons wise, Madara is at least Itachi's equal. I would daresay he's even better actually given his reactions vs A, Naruto, Gaara etc.
- Itachi can't use kage bunshin frequently, it's just a waste of his chakra
- what is full health Itachi exactly? it's not the same as edo Itachi. I think it's just a myth Itachi fans have made up to sweep Itachi's weaknesses of stamina and blindness under the carpet.

Itachi is the master at MS

 

[obscoral]

when did he have power over moku? I thought that was the firsts kekkigenki. I thought he could only do the wood clones after becoming edo?

no
he took hashi`s dna during vote and implanted it in his body later.
it granted him moku and helped him to awaken the rinnegan

edo body does not have senju dna
so kabuto needed to add (what madara had but was missing in edo form)

 

[f4k3pyr0]

LoL, the things you said about madara are a fairytale.
Madara would win high-dif. No point of explaining, everyone has said it loud an' clear why Madara is definitly the winner

 

[MorphyRulez]

If he stronger than Madara, simply He doenst need to join akatsuki for protect konoha. He would just destroy them all by one by, but Madara he eliminated his all enemies except Hashirama (but Still don't know the true story about battle of valley of the end)

 

[Kratos of cruxis]

No he wouldnt think about it ninjustu wise madara wins taijustu wise madara wins genjustu is all itachi would have an advantge in and that wouldnt help much against madara would be susanoo which is a disadvangte at the same time since it would limint itachi's movement and give madara an opening(under his feet) the tosuka sword can only seal if piercing if madara simply grab the sides of the sword or use his sword to block via susanoo he could stop the sealing powers of the swords lastly madara fire techs would be a great factor since there so big he could move his susanoo sword under itachi while he's busy blocking the attack so its really madara>itachi

 

[yuan of cruxis]

No he wouldnt think about it ninjustu wise madara wins taijustu wise madara wins genjustu is all itachi would have an advantge in and that wouldnt help much against madara would be susanoo which is a disadvangte at the same time since it would limint itachi's movement and give madara an opening(under his feet) the tosuka sword can only seal if piercing if madara simply grab the sides of the sword or use his sword to block via susanoo he could stop the sealing powers of the swords lastly madara fire techs would be a great factor since there so big he could move his susanoo sword under itachi while he's busy blocking the attack so its really madara>itachi

Nah boy
Only thing Madara got em at is a better sharingan and Ninjutsu

Taijutsu-unknown

Genjutsu-Itachi clearly better at it

Itachi is smarter and faster(considering hes a body flicker and speed feats)

Plus Itachi has a better Susanoo(Totsuka sword and Yata Mirror)
And Itachi has the most powerful Tsukyomi