Naruto even without the kyubi would still be kage level

[Naruto9001]

can't possibly say.

because if not for kyuubi minato and kushina might be alive. those two training naruto from the early ages would have a huge impact but if that was the case he wouldn't have the pain that droves him right now. and if not kyuubi there's a chance that he couldn't get SM too. because fukasaku said that SM requires huge chakra reserves.

and some more points. it took naruto more than 3 days. the final step took more than a week.

however the current naruto without using the kyuubi's power or SM would be a low-level kage.

I agree with some of this.

 

[saskue base]

Im about to clarify to all the naruto haters why naruto even without the kyubi is kage level or higher.

Naruto learned the rassengan in 3 days something that took Minato who was a once in a decade genius according to Jiraya that means naruto's potiental surpasses even a once in a decade genius

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Kakashi who is kage level starts wondering if BASE Naruto surpassed him.

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He surpassed Minato in terms of the rassengan by learning to change the chakra nature of it and learning the rasenshuriken something that a genius like Minato was trying to do his whole life.

I know some people say that naruto is pathetic because he needs a shadow clones to do the rassengan but most ninjas cant do the rassengan it would take even talented ninjas probadly decades to do it with or without clones the only reason Kakashi did it was because of his sharington and even then it probadly took him several years to copy it perfectly.

Naruto who was trainning to learn sage mode in a very short period of time surpassed jiraya in the technique learning a perfect sage mode.

SM Naruto put up a great fight aganist Pain i know he had intel on him and it took him to go up until the 8 tails to beat him but for him in sage mode to put up a fight aganist a rinnegan user he must be kage level with or without intel.

I hope i got though to you Naruto haters.

He do not learn rasengan in 3 day he learned it in a month and minato made the justu that why it took him so long

 

[Naruto9001]

He do not learn rasengan in 3 day he learned it in a month and minato made the justu that why it took him so long

I thought i remember it being said it was 3 days if it was longer give me proof of it being longer. So? Naruto still has to do everything Minato had to.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Speacial Jonin-Naruto

Im sorry but without Kyuubi he cant stand to a Kage level ninja

Try telling that to Tsunade. Or how about the third raikage? Didn't a clone in SM defeat the third raikage?

And how about getting Pain down to his last path? What other current kage could do that?

So your post failed because a clone of Naruto, with like 1/15th of the normal chakra, in Sage Mode, beat a kage level ninja. Not only that, Naruto's Sage Mode clone beat one of the strongest kages to date.

So imagine a dozen Naruto clones in SM running around. Now that he has perfected SM he can spam clones and have them all in SM as soon as he makes them.

I think that right now Naruto, if he did not have the Kyuubi, would be the second strongest (current) kage below Onoki, only because Naruto would not have a counter to dust release, and Naruto cannot fly.

 

[Naruto9001]

Try telling that to Tsunade. Or how about the third raikage? Didn't a clone in SM defeat the third raikage?

And how about getting Pain down to his last path? What other current kage could do that?

So your post failed because a clone of Naruto, with like 1/15th of the normal chakra, in Sage Mode, beat a kage level ninja. Not only that, Naruto's Sage Mode clone beat one of the strongest kages to date.

So imagine a dozen Naruto clones in SM running around. Now that he has perfected SM he can spam clones and have them all in SM as soon as he makes them.

I think that right now Naruto, if he did not have the Kyuubi, would be the second strongest (current) kage below Onoki, only because Naruto would not have a counter to dust release, and Naruto cannot fly.

Wow +rep this post has so much win!

 

[Zlad]

Guys, saying that Naruto is kage level is... Just wrong. Base Naruto just isn't Kage level. SM Naruto is. Cry a river and get over it.

He owned the 3rd Raikage with sage mode so definitley although he had information but still yeah i agree

He mad the 3. Raikage stab himself, something I would call plot no jutsu or OP as f*ck.

 

[MarkPaul]

Ofcourse because he mastered Sage mode. Sage mode is awesome!

 

[Bogard]

I know some people say that naruto is pathetic because he needs a shadow clones to do the rassengan but most ninjas cant do the rassengan it would take even talented ninjas probadly decades to do it with or without clones the only reason Kakashi did it was because of his sharington and even then it probadly took him several years to copy it perfectly.

Firstly it's "sharingan"^^. Secondly, no Kakashi learned rasengan even before he had sharingan. He said that he had rasengan even before he created chidori. That means even before he was 12/13 he had already mastered the rasengan.

Anyway i agree when you say that even without Kyubi he is kage level

 

[dhaoracle]

i agreed kyuby have saved naruto's ass as many stars that are in the sky but also it is the reason why naruto does not really shinni by himself, except for the Sennin Mode, thats the real naruto and who he does be.

Kyuby gave naruto a lot more chakra
Healed his wounds even againts the side effects of the Rasen Shuriken.
Saved him from death againts sasuke, sasuke, broke naruto's neck
gave him freaky speed. and much more.

naruto is so damn dependant of the kyuby, naruto would jounin level shinnobi and with the sage mode he would be low kage.

What's is your point. Everything you say was according to Minato's plan so that he could help save the world whenever Tobi came back. So what are you going to say that Minato is now Jonin level because he had a plan that has succeeded??

It was a reason for Naruto to have Kurama stuck inside him with part of Kurama's chakra leaking inside him. Just like it is also a success that Naruto has came this far.

Because at the end of the day with or without Naruto having Kurama, Naruto would have still been strong because he is a very hard working ninja with or without his large chakra reserves of the Kyubi.

If I may mention that he learned to use KAGE BUSHIN NO JUTSU without Kurama's chakra.. The kid is hard working, has high spirits, and is the embodiment of how you should carry and shine the will of fire..!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dhaoracle]

Guys, saying that Naruto is kage level is... Just wrong. Base Naruto just isn't Kage level. SM Naruto is. Cry a river and get over it.

He mad the 3. Raikage stab himself, something I would call plot no jutsu or OP as f*ck.

I call it you hating for him figuring out something only the Hachibi knew all by himself. Come on Naruto thought what happened and how to execute all of it in less than a minute. If you call that plot no jutsu than I call that a perfect plot because any other way would have taken everyone 4 more chapters to figure out and execute without Naruto's speed and sensing abilities..

 

[Futton]

Im about to clarify to all the naruto haters why naruto even without the kyubi is kage level or higher.

Naruto learned the rassengan in 3 days something that took Minato who was a once in a decade genius according to Jiraya that means naruto's potiental surpasses even a once in a decade genius

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as said here.

Kakashi who is kage level starts wondering if BASE Naruto surpassed him.

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He surpassed Minato in terms of the rassengan by learning to change the chakra nature of it and learning the rasenshuriken something that a genius like Minato was trying to do his whole life.

I know some people say that naruto is pathetic because he needs a shadow clones to do the rassengan but most ninjas cant do the rassengan it would take even talented ninjas probadly decades to do it with or without clones the only reason Kakashi did it was because of his sharington and even then it probadly took him several years to copy it perfectly.

Naruto who was trainning to learn sage mode in a very short period of time surpassed jiraya in the technique learning a perfect sage mode.

SM Naruto put up a great fight aganist Pain i know he had intel on him and it took him to go up until the 8 tails to beat him but for him in sage mode to put up a fight aganist a rinnegan user he must be kage level with or without intel.

I hope i got though to you Naruto haters.

I agree but your off on a few things, Naruto can do rasengan one hand it was just easier for him to mold the chakra with a clone.

2. Kakashi learned rasengan before he had the sharingan. He couldn't "add" his chakra nature to rasengan and thus came up with chidori

 

[Kettei]

Yea he would be Kage level even without kurama

 

[Futton]

Ya but Naruto without 9 tails inside means less Chakra so thats also mean less Shadow Clones and that also mean slower learning curve.

Even without the kyuubi he has an enormous amount of chakra. He is actually using some of that chakra to supress the kyuubi's chakra. So no Kyuubi means more chakra, better chakra control and a easier learning curve

 

[hashy]

Naruto learned the Rasengan that fast and created the Rasenshuriken because of his clones. Minato can do the Rasengan with one hand, and I must say learning to do it with one hand is much harder than learning to do it with a Kage Bunshin. Because I doubt Minato ever used Kage Bunshin he didn't think of using it when he was trying to upgrade the Rasengan. Naruto spams Kage Bunshin all the time, however, so of course it would be easier for him to complete the technique :|

Yes, he surpassed him in that respect, but it feels like you're completely downplaying Minato's intelligence. Anyway, I agree that with Sage Mode Naruto would still be Kage level.

Well the thing is even kakashi said he cant copy naruto style of rasengan with he kage bunshin

 

[vishikh]

I'm not a naruto hater but naruto without kubbi would have been dead a long ago while fighting zabuza and haku

 

[Unorthodox]

no kurama opend to many gate ways

 

[Futton]

I thought i remember it being said it was 3 days if it was longer give me proof of it being longer. So? Naruto still has to do everything Minato had to.

It was actually about a 1 1/2 to two weeks while they were looking for Tsunade. He almost had with one hand and tried to use it on Tsunade then she made a bet that he had a week to perfect it inorder to win her neckalace. Then he tried to use it on Kabuto and missed with the one handed version and then used a clone to mold the chakra and blasted kabuto's ass

 

[Futton]

Just end this argument. Naruto without the kyuubi changes the whole dynamic of the series. So just end the thread

 

[Naruto cool]

Naruto is the best

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

even in base hes pretty much kage level with oodama rasengan barrage and frog summons