Muslim or Pakistani Thread

[Xentinel]

Interesting... The Burqua serves the same basic purpose today as it did in Alexanders time. I guess their original intent was a success XD

Yeah. But a muslim woman is not really optioned to wear Burqa. In fact, Islam dont encourages muslim women to wear it but at least a Hijab to veil her hair.

Anyway, Im a muslim and im from Singapore.
Happy Juma'ah everyone! ^^

 

[Grammar Nazi]

you just need to say a word three times to get divorced. i think it's 'talak'. Weather it was out of pure anger or the person said it, was drunk doesn't count at all. but women has no such power. they just have to endure it all. and later if they want to get together again the wife has to sleep with a random guy.

plus it's allowed to have several wife for a single guy in the same time.

also listening to music is prohibited right?? same goes for watching videos or internet....??

curse me all you want .. but i am just saying this cause i think the girls doesn't get all the freedom they should unlike the guys. seems unfair to me...

that's all i wanted to say.

I totally respect your opinion. But like I said on my previous post, there is a group of muslims who bends the rules of islam and only uses them for their own benefits. In islam your allowed to get divorced if your not getting along well with your spouse just like any other religion. But the methods of 'Talaq' is totally not permissible. We should follow our prophet and he never did such things in his life. During the 14th century, there was a group of muslims who came up with these gruesome methods, it has nothing to do with the teachings of the religion and it only portrays ignorance. Now as for marrying multiple women at a time. Our prophet said, "you are allowed to get married more than once ONLY IF YOU CAN LOVE YOUR WIVES EQUALLY". As we all know, none of us will be capable of loving two or more women unconditionally and equally. Our human mind is bound to get biased and thats just the way it is. Meaning none of us is actually allowed to get married twice. The extremist group of people simply choose to ignore this fact and marry multiple women to satisfy their own greed. Listening to music is ALLOWED in islam as long as its not promoting sexuality and other dirty behaviours. Now my point is, the path to true islam is the moderate path. Anyone on the extreme sides are simply blinded by ignorance. and You shouldn't judge a book by its cover.

 

[Yerrina]

I totally respect your opinion. But like I said on my previous post, there is a group of muslims who bends the rules of islam and only uses them for their own benefits. In islam your allowed to get divorced if your not getting along well with your spouse just like any other religion. But the methods of 'Talaq' is totally not permissible. We should follow our prophet and he never did such things in his life. During the 14th century, there was a group of muslims who came up with these gruesome methods, it has nothing to do with the teachings of the religion and it only portrays ignorance. Now as for marrying multiple women at a time. Our prophet said, "you are allowed to get married more than once ONLY IF YOU CAN LOVE YOUR WIVES EQUALLY". As we all know, none of us will be capable of loving two or more women unconditionally and equally. Our human mind is bound to get biased and thats just the way it is. Meaning none of us is actually allowed to get married twice. The extremist group of people simply choose to ignore this fact and marry multiple women to satisfy their own greed. Listening to music is ALLOWED in islam as long as its not promoting sexuality and other dirty behaviours. Now my point is, the path to true islam is the moderate path. Anyone on the extreme sides are simply blinded by ignorance. and You shouldn't judge a book by its cover.

I apologize but I did not read anything except for the Loving Your Wives Equally and I MUST disagree, dear Shamsmu.

The Prophet himself PBUH did not love his wives equally. Hadiths can verify what I am saying. When asked which person do you love the most, he plainly said Aisha, which means he did not love his other wives as much, not even his own daughter Lady Fatima. Same goes later when he passed by Lady Khadija's grave. He still missed her and sat weeping by her grave, and Lady Aisha used to be jealous of her even though she was dead ~

One cannot control the matters of the heart, but he can at least treat them equally, not love them equally. This is verified by Quran, Surat Al Nisaa' (The Women) Aya 129, which is explained to be by most books of Tafseer "You will never be able to be just to, to treat equally, your wives, in terms of love" .

 

[Kagutsuchi]

I think, the purpose of this thread was to know how many Muslims + Pakistani members were here and we somehow got side tracked.

I hope that no Flame war starts from this "Discussion"

On Topic: I am Pakistani and a Muslim.

 

[Sahin]

Salaam alaikoem Muslims brothers and sisters
And hello non Muslim friends
My origin is from Turkey, living in Holland.

Interesting discussions, some even say 'why muslim topic in naruto forum'
Well people are curious about most ridiclous things besides naruto on this forum, why not Muslims. Dont judge anyone, without knowing the intention. Its going a bit offtopic sometimes, but thats not a problem I hope

And about having more wives then one.
The prophets first wife was Hatice/Khadica, after she passed away, his second wife was Ayse/Aisa. And During that time, there were severall war against the Muslims, which caused many men to die, including marriedged men, leaving his wife and children alone in a society were none Muslims tried every excuse to harm these people. Its the same society in that days that burried new born girls alive, same society that used womens as slaves, same society who abused womens. Islam made a stop to that.
In this kind of society, leaving a family without a husband to protect, would not be tolerated in Islam. And whats the safest way to protect widows and orphans in that time, that society? Yes, marriage.

 

[ReLax -]

I'm a Muslim from Canada (born and raised), but my background is Pakistani.

 

[ZeeshanAsNaruto]

I am Muslim from India

 

[Darthlawsuit]

Yeah. But a muslim woman is not really optioned to wear Burqa. In fact, Islam dont encourages muslim women to wear it but at least a Hijab to veil her hair.

Anyway, Im a muslim and im from Singapore.
Happy Juma'ah everyone! ^^

So Islam doesn't say you have to wear a veil but encourages you to? Is it more of a cultural norm or something written down in the Korran?

Also (Origin of the veil) - Back during the time of alexander the great he captured Babylon. After capturing it he stayed there for a very very long time. His soldiers had not been home in many years and many desired women to be with and paid very good money for it. Babylon had huge numbers of women turn to prostitution and many became wealthy as a result. There were so many prostitutes that that the greek men could not tell regular women apart from the prostitutes, especially since they didn't speak the language. This caused many problems to occur during that time because of this, turning women into prostitutes after offering them gold. So women began wearing a veil to hide their beauty and signify that they were not a prostitute.

 

[Sahin]

So Islam doesn't say you have to wear a veil but encourages you to? Is it more of a cultural norm or something written down in the Korran?

Also (Origin of the veil) - Back during the time of alexander the great he captured Babylon. After capturing it he stayed there for a very very long time. His soldiers had not been home in many years and many desired women to be with and paid very good money for it. Babylon had huge numbers of women turn to prostitution and many became wealthy as a result. There were so many prostitutes that that the greek men could not tell regular women apart from the prostitutes, especially since they didn't speak the language. This caused many problems to occur during that time because of this, turning women into prostitutes after offering them gold. So women began wearing a veil to hide their beauty and signify that they were not a prostitute.

Culture is apart of Islam. Culture is mostly before or after Islam, it was not brought with it. Islam is a way of life thaught us by prophet Muhammed(peace be upon him) who was sended by God/Allah, culture is something what certain people created.. it has no role in Islam.
Sometimes, culture can even destroy Islam imo.

And yes Its something written in the Qoran.
Here are some verses:

“And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear therof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers, or their brothers’ sons or their sisters’ sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of ***, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss.” (Quran 24:31).

“O you Children of Adam! We have bestowed on you raiment to cover your shame as well as to be an adornment to you. But the raiment of righteousness, that is the best. Such are among the Signs of Allah, that they may receive admonition.” (Quran 7:26)

“O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.” (Quran 33:59)

 

[ZK]

Eh, I really just wanted to make sure that all of you people who keep question whether the religion of Islam allows this and that knows the difference between ideology and religion.
Technically speaking, the religion of Christianity does not allow for women to speak, act, etcetera against their man in any way. Truly, the Old Testament and some parts of the New Testament encourages people to do extremely vile things in some of their passages. But, my fellow members, here is the thing: You simply don't do these things, hopefully.
You don't beat women, because you've been taught that it is wrong to do so by society, through the laws of your nation, and through your upbrining and social circle. You treat people with some measure of kindness, not because the Bible, Quran or Tanakh says so, but because you've been brought up to believe that treating people fairly is the right thing to do. Are you following? Because it's pretty simple.
What many don't seem to understand is that, when they ask 'why do you drink when the XXXX says not to do so?' they're not asking whether or not the questioned one is a believer, they're simply asking for specifications in regards to that individuals personal view on his/her religion. Do not mistake ideology, moral values and ethics for religion.
Remember that the Quran isn't the least bit more extreme than any other religious guidebook, its extremists simply get more attention. In all seriousness, those extremists, this goes for all religions, are the least hypocritical of all those whom call themselves a Theist. Remember that.

 

[Naruto N. Uzumaki]

am Muslim

my sister is married to a Pakistani man

 

[Sahin]

Eh, I really just wanted to make sure that all of you people who keep question whether the religion of Islam allows this and that knows the difference between ideology and religion.
Technically speaking, the religion of Christianity does not allow for women to speak, act, etcetera against their man in any way. Truly, the Old Testament and some parts of the New Testament encourages people to do extremely vile things in some of their passages. But, my fellow members, here is the thing: You simply don't do these things, hopefully.
You don't beat women, because you've been taught that it is wrong to do so by society, through the laws of your nation, and through your upbrining and social circle. You treat people with some measure of kindness, not because the Bible, Quran or Tanakh says so, but because you've been brought up to believe that treating people fairly is the right thing to do. Are you following? Because it's pretty simple.
What many don't seem to understand is that, when they ask 'why do you drink when the XXXX says not to do so?' they're not asking whether or not the questioned one is a believer, they're simply asking for specifications in regards to that individuals personal view on his/her religion. Do not mistake ideology, moral values and ethics for religion.
Remember that the Quran isn't the least bit more extreme than any other religious guidebook, its extremists simply get more attention. In all seriousness, those extremists, this goes for all religions, are the least hypocritical of all those whom call themselves a Theist. Remember that.

Religion is brought to us people since the first person on earth; Adam. He was a prophet who guided people, his guidance was from God itself. Same goes for the prophets Abraham/Ibrahim(same person, difference pronunciation etc), prophet Joseph/Yusuf, prophet Noha/Nuh, prophet Moses/Musa, prophet Jesus/Isa, prophet Mohammad/Muhammed. All prophets who were guided by the same God, with same goal as a message; live as a good person, earn the heaven. Its RELIGION who brought us IDEOLOGY, MORAL VALUES and ETHICS. But ofcourse not every person treats relligion the way it should be

 

[ZK]

Relligion is brought to us people since the first person on earth; Adam. He was a prophet who guided people, his guidance was from God itself. Same goes for the prophets Abraham/Ibrahim(same person, difference pronunciation etc), prophet Joseph/Yusuf, prophet Noha/Nuh, prophet Moses/Musa, prophet Jesus/Isa, prophet Mohammad/Muhammed. All prophets who were sended by the same God, with same goal; live as a good person, earn the heaven. Its RELLIGION who brought us IDEOLOGY, MORAL VALUES and ETHICS. But ofcourse not every person treats relligion the way it should be

Well, even if we do accept the biblical explanation of how humans came to be, moral-values aren't the work of God as such. Remember that Eve ate the forbidden fruit, lured by the voice of the Snake? Well, that fruit made us what we are today;self-conscious, whcih in turn led to pondering and wondering. You'll notice that not all moral questions are answered in the religious texts, so we must conclude that humans are able to, at the very least, develop advanced moral principles based on simple ones.
I'd prefer not to debate religion in this thread, but I must admit that I'd hardly say no if tempted.

 

[Sahin]

Well, even if we do accept the biblical explanation of how humans came to be, moral-values aren't the work of God as such. Remember that Eve ate the forbidden fruit, lured by the voice of the Snake? Well, that fruit made us what we are today;self-conscious, whcih in turn led to pondering and wondering. You'll notice that not all moral questions are answered in the religious texts, so we must conclude that humans are able to, at the very least, develop advanced moral principles based on simple ones.
I'd prefer not to debate religion in this thread, but I must admit that I'd hardly say no if tempted.

I understand your view. Every people has their moral values. But as I said, its religion who guided us in that in the first place, but not everyone gave it a go in the same way. Some included their own idea, because of some experience/view. For example: "religion:stealing is not allowed." then a person gets stolen and thinks "stealing is not allowed, unless you get stolen, you need to steal to get it back"
things like that. What I mean is, everything was started from 0. But people gave it several different direction.

God created everything for a purpose. Us people especially.
Adam and Eva were tricked by the Devil/Snake and were banished from heaven. They were sended to earth, the place were they were tested with good and evil. Like all living people was/are tested. Prophets were sended not only to give a message AND to be a good example.

And ofcourse can a person develop their moral principles. But to develop it in a positive way is hard in this world without a guidance. And what better guidance can there be then the persons sended by God.. the same God who created us all..

Sorry I went a bit deep, if you prefer to debate further. You can also send a PM.

 

[Nerei]

I'm a muslim. Born In New Zealand, but my parents are Fijian/Indian.