General Football Debates!

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I AGREE 100% with you, that Platini!!!!!!!
especially in 2010, damn that was disgrace toward Inter milan, especially Wesley sneijder, seriously that man won the champions league,Serie A,Coppa Italy, in his 1st season and bring Netherlands to the final in WC 2010, and yet he's not even made it to the finalist for the award:sy:

CR7,RVP and mario gomez, yeah one of them should win the Ballon d'Or this year.

It will be between Messi and Ronaldo this year again most likely.

Messi: GP: 55 --- G: 63 --- Chance to win Copa del Rey and he's already won varies cups this season including Club World Cup, Espana Cup, and and European Super Cup
Ronaldo: GP: 51 --- G: 56 --- La Liga Title
Gomez: GP: 48 --- G: 40 ---Chance to win CL
RVP: GP: 45 --- G: 34

The clear fav is Messi has he doesn't only hold a better record out of the four, but also has won more if you look at it Escorps way for his club.

Technically escorpiuus EPLS quality have decreased over the years with all the top players leaving for spain..there are hardly any top players in England.That being said EPL is much more even.at least the fight for the cup is between 5-6 teams..whereas in Spain only 2 teams barca and madrid hog the limelight and the difference of the two teams compared to teh whole La Liga is too huge.Though The 2 teams will easily pawn any team in EPL..U_U..personally i feel the bundesliga is the most entertaining league..every team has a chance to win the league..nobody is overpowered or too weak..

ATM right now Spain plays the best football which revolves around attacking and people are entertained by that. The quality of Spanish football right now is above and beyond. They also produce some of the greatest talents, Ie: Xavi, Inesita, Silva, Villa, Torres, Mata, Fabregas, Pique, Casillas, Ramos, Alonso, Llorente, Martinez, and so on. They have many players still growing also like Callejon, Tello. and Cuenca just to name a few. EPL still has great quality, but get out done by Barcelona, or Madrid. I agree the Germany league is quite interesting you expect Bayern to be heavyweights there, but even the struggle against 3-4 teams there.

The way I see it

1. Spain
2. Argentina
3. Netherland/Brasil/Germany

Produce the best footballers in today's game.

 

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I agree with a pure striker. In fact, even United needs one but I'm a sentimental and can't agree to the fact that we'll need to sacrifice someone like Chicharito or Welbeck for that. But yeah, Barcelona needs to reinforce both attack and defense. Bale is a wonderful player (one of my favorites) but seeing the plight of Barca's defense, I sincerely think it might be suicidal.

Well, it's been sometime since I saw a CL final with Madrid And I won't hide the fact that I'd like CR7 and Ozil to lift it someday.

Nope, the same doesn't apply for Chelsea. Chelsea is fighting for the 4th place while Liverpool is not even certain to be in Europa League. Moreover, the performance of Liverpool in EPL was disastrous. I've got the chance (or is it bad luck) to see some of their matches against low-teams and they were pathetic. Chelsea lost mostly their big matches and has a manager problem. Otherwise, their performance is less alarming than Liverpool - who reportedly has good relationship with their manager. Liverpool recruited a lot this year and after seeing their performances, I'd term this season as a failure. Chelsea had an aging team and a fallout with their manager. If they didn't have that managerial issue, their season will have been more brighter. Even if teams like Arsenal, Tottenham and Newcastle didn't win anything, their performances were better than Liverpool any-day. And seriously, there's a BIG difference in being in a Carling Cup final and a Champions League final? U_U There's a play-crisis in my view at Liverpool and the Cups finals are just a veneer - it's hiding the appearances.

Well it would be hard to chose between Chicharito or Welbeck, most like will be Chicharito due to injury woes. Well Bale is great maybe he can learn a things or two with Puyol and Pique in defending. I hope Barcelona allows Alves and Bale to attack with them, but one of them only, so if Alves comes up Bale stays back with the defense or vise versa, instead both moving in leaving two of them back.

Ozil I would like to see also, as far as CR not really concerned about him all tho I recently heard him moaning about the good life back at United with SaF.

Your are correct there, but that doesn't change a thing. Liverpool right now are at the lvl of those low teams around 12-6 on the table, they don't have a good squad what signings did they make? I don't see any impact except from Suarez. Gerrad and Suarez are Liverpool ATM, Bellamy and Kuyt aren't doing too bad neither. Liverpool don't have the influence all over the pitch like all the heavyweights. Barcelona got Puyol, Xavi, Messi...Madrid got Pepe/Ramos, Alonso/Ozil, Ronaldo/Benzema...ManU got Vidic/Ferdinad, Giggs/Scholes, Rooney...ManC got Kompony, Silva/Toure, Augero/Tevez/Dezko...Arsenal got Sagna/Vermaelen, Wilshere/Ramsey, RVP/Walcott... Milan got Nesta/Silva, Boateng/Van Bommel/Ambrosini, Ibra/Pato/Nocerino (not including GK). I'm sure you see were I'm getting at here. Liverpool don't have that which others do to succeed they need more signing and better ones a lot of people are on the market this transfer hope for them to get some to make an impact next year, or even the ones they have now will leave and Kuyt may move back to Netherlands next season. You can't depend a team on 2-3 players you need all and Liverpool have many sloppy players. At the end even Chelsea can win FA we don't know if Liverpool wins or not in my eyes they deserved it taking clubs like ManU and City out, of FA/Carling cups.

 

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It will be between Messi and Ronaldo this year again most likely.

Messi: GP: 55 --- G: 63 --- Chance to win Copa del Rey and he's already won varies cups this season including Club World Cup, Espana Cup, and and European Super Cup
Ronaldo: GP: 51 --- G: 56 --- La Liga Title
Gomez: GP: 48 --- G: 40 ---Chance to win CL
RVP: GP: 45 --- G: 34

The clear fav is Messi has he doesn't only hold a better record out of the four, but also has won more if you look at it Escorps way for his club.

I agree though it still pains me that statistics become such a big - if not sole - reason for Ballon D'Or and FIFA Best Player.

Where's the recognition of player who have bust their ass off everyday on the field for their team? Where's the recognition of player who helped their team in all conditions? Where's the recognition of player who barely did mistakes or a bad match in a season? Where's the recognition of player who made others look good?

Accomplishments were atleast more significant than statistics but now as I said, even accomplishments are less importantly assessed. I've never hide it - the Ballon D'Or is becoming a joke in my eyes as years are passing. In fact, it's becoming insulting to some former Ballon D'Or.

Well it would be hard to chose between Chicharito or Welbeck, most like will be Chicharito due to injury woes. Well Bale is great maybe he can learn a things or two with Puyol and Pique in defending. I hope Barcelona allows Alves and Bale to attack with them, but one of them only, so if Alves comes up Bale stays back with the defense or vise versa, instead both moving in leaving two of them back.

Ozil I would like to see also, as far as CR not really concerned about him all tho I recently heard him moaning about the good life back at United with SaF.

Your are correct there, but that doesn't change a thing. Liverpool right now are at the lvl of those low teams around 12-6 on the table, they don't have a good squad what signings did they make? I don't see any impact except from Suarez. Gerrad and Suarez are Liverpool ATM, Bellamy and Kuyt aren't doing too bad neither. Liverpool don't have the influence all over the pitch like all the heavyweights. Barcelona got Puyol, Xavi, Messi...Madrid got Pepe/Ramos, Alonso/Ozil, Ronaldo/Benzema...ManU got Vidic/Ferdinad, Giggs/Scholes, Rooney...ManC got Kompony, Silva/Toure, Augero/Tevez/Dezko...Arsenal got Sagna/Vermaelen, Wilshere/Ramsey, RVP/Walcott... Milan got Nesta/Silva, Boateng/Van Bommel/Ambrosini, Ibra/Pato/Nocerino (not including GK). I'm sure you see were I'm getting at here. Liverpool don't have that which others do to succeed they need more signing and better ones a lot of people are on the market this transfer hope for them to get some to make an impact next year, or even the ones they have now will leave and Kuyt may move back to Netherlands next season. You can't depend a team on 2-3 players you need all and Liverpool have many sloppy players. At the end even Chelsea can win FA we don't know if Liverpool wins or not in my eyes they deserved it taking clubs like ManU and City out, of FA/Carling cups.

Unfortunately, when you see Puyol in attacking position in the match against Chelsea, I'm really viewing Barca's defense being up to only 2 players if Bale were to come.

CR7 reminding United is not a new story. It's something that he keeps stating every once a while. I don't think he'll leave Madrid on a failure note though. By that, I mean that he will atleast try win CL and Ballon D'Or again first. But it won't surprise me to see him back at ManU someday.

In last 2 seasons, Liverpool bought Suarez, Caroll, Downing, Henderson, Jose Enrique, Lucas, Adams, Doni, Bellamy, Coates and some more. I'd stop because it's already quite some players in 2 years. Though few of them are top-quality players but that's their own fault. They chose to buy those players. Nobody forced them. When you see Arsenal/United/Tottenham being top teams since always by having 1/3 of the number of signings - you must admit that something worse than signings is problematic in Liverpool. In fact, it's worrying that they are so bad despite so many signings.

Take Newcastle who is now almost-favorites for 4th place. The money received by Caroll and spent on players like Demba Ba, Papiss Cisse and eBen Arfa is a master-stroke by Alan Pardew. What's the guarantee of saying that Liverpool will be better when they'll sign more players next years? They've been doing that inefficiently since 2 years and frankly, I don't see a much brighter future for them next season. Optimistically, they may fight for the 4th place but definitely not in Champions position.

Sure, they took Everton and United out of FA Cup (thanks to Evra-Suarez issue but let's not get back to that...U_U) and they took Chelsea and City out of Carling Cup. But where's the big thing when you win the Cup on Penalty shootouts against a 2nd Division team? Come on, they could even have lose it if luck wasn't on their side!

P.S - Don't include Ramsey in Heavyweights list - it's making me laugh way too much xd

 

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Okay, it's not the gutted 6-1 feeling but this defeat against City is bitter and sad. It's hard to say it; so I'll say it only once - congrats to City for today's important win.

Sincerely, United didn't deserve the win today but it won't have been undeserving to clinch a draw though. Mostly all players gave it their all. The first half was an intense one but with neither team gaining any real chance. So, it's enraging to concede the crucial goal at 1st stoppage time and on a corner.

Smalling was man-marking Kompany but dropped the man-marking at a point (forced to diverge through a block) and this led to Kompany to attack the ball front and pass it to De Gea.

I always say it that stoppage time goals are always the most painful. It disrupts the tactical play, it hurt mentally and it also deroute the physiognomy of the match completely. Given the application of United players defensively, I don't think we deserve to concede that goal. Even more cruel, to concede it on a set-piece. But well... that's football!

In the second-half, United loosened its tight defense a bit and controlled a bit more the match. But at each offensive substitutions of United, Mancini brought in one more defender. So, they really made it hard for United to pass. City got 3 good chances to kill the match in last 10 minutes as United pushed more forward but blew it.

On the whole, City's win is not undeserved but a draw would have been a more logical result; given United's tight defensive display in 1st half and City's packed defenders in 2nd half.

Special Mentions of Players:

Yaya Toure was exceptional (Man of the Match in my eyes). Nasri gave a good showing; a little better than Silva who was substituted. Rooney did a good first half in terms of passing but was unable to produce any spark offensively. Got more lost in 2nd half. Aguero and Tevez couldn't bring much fire either with the tactical play. In fact, the tactical battle was so tight that I find it harsh not to clinch a draw. Park was aligned surprisingly and his role was to pressure Yaya Toure. Did it fairly well but failed more in his task as minutes pass. Once Park was out, Toure clearly had more liberty. I'm not angry that Fergie played Park but I'm angry that he did it at the expense of Valencia. Park usually delivers in big matches but considered that he barely played this season, it wasn't worth to take a risk in such big match. Risk which globally didn't pay off. Both teams' defenders were brilliant - with obviously that of City getting the final edge since they won...

City are once more favorites for the title but it's not won yet. I'd say they'll be champions if they do win at Newcastle or if United don't win at Swansea. I guess, Serie A and EPL titles won't be handed before the last day.

 

[Ryuu..]

Why did Valencia start the game on the bench? I'm baffled.

 

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Why did Valencia start the game on the bench? I'm baffled.

Same here but it was the European United team that was aligned.
Only 1 winger, 1 striker, 3 midfielders and Park given a specific task.

It's a formation used to defend better - a formation clearly put to disrupt the 4 fiery offensive players of City (Tevez, Aguero, Nasri and Silva). The tactic worked in my eyes but football is harsh and simple error on a set-piece can change a match.

Like I said, I'm angry that this formation was at the expense of Valencia. I understand that Fergie needs to choose between Nani, Valencia and Young for the winger position but Valencia stood out more than Nani to me on paper. It's the proper formation with wrong lineups as Chicharito or Welbeck should have been aligned instead of Giggs. Same for Valencia (instead of Park). Oh well, it's done now.

 

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I agree though it still pains me that statistics become such a big - if not sole - reason for Ballon D'Or and FIFA Best Player.

Where's the recognition of player who have bust their ass off everyday on the field for their team? Where's the recognition of player who helped their team in all conditions? Where's the recognition of player who barely did mistakes or a bad match in a season? Where's the recognition of player who made others look good?

Accomplishments were atleast more significant than statistics but now as I said, even accomplishments are less importantly assessed. I've never hide it - the Ballon D'Or is becoming a joke in my eyes as years are passing. In fact, it's becoming insulting to some former Ballon D'Or.

In your point you are correct, but logically I have to disagree. Last year Cavani (Napoli), Di Natale (Udinese), Tevez (City), and more were top players for their clubs and lead them to CL, but yet they weren't recognition for FIFA. It's because we as watchers only recognition these talents as far as fighting for the best in the world goes, well frequently you need to prove it, which Messi has done for the past 3 years, a season hasn't gone were he hasn't won titles (he averages 3.25 titles a season, in other words 3 titles per season) and Messi is always the top scorer in mostly all competition (including season overall).

This season, Cavani, RVP, Gomez, Ibra, Neymar, Di Natale, Benzema/Higuain/Ozil, Vidal, Mata, Silva/Augero, Rooney, and etc are players I've personal recognition this season, but which one of them deserve to reach the top 3? Benzema/Higuain/Ozil have been key factors to winning La Liga and beating Barcelona in their final game of the season (against one another). Rooney and Silva/Augero have been key factors for their Manchester sides and both have a chance to capture the league title. Ibra closing in on Serie A once again. Mata has had a fantastic and convincing season in Chelsea including reaching FA a final and CL final. The striker listed are in the top 3 scorer list in almost all competition.

Than you have Messi again who has just broken records this season including beating Pele (66 goal for Brazilian club Santos in 1958), Ferenc Deak (66 goal for Ferencvaros in 1948-49) and Mueller (67 goals set for Bayern Munich in 1972-73) a 39 year old record. That including most goals scored in La Liga (I think) and CL all in one season. Messi has already won three titles with Barcelona, maybe a fourth (Copa Del Rey) including maybe picking up Pichichi, with 3 games to go in total for Barcelona him hitting 70 mark is very possible and 50 in La Liga is also there.

It's clear Messi will capture his 4th Ballon D'or, unless Ronaldo wins Euros with Portugal tides can change to his favor.

I'm sorry I was going on about Messi accomplishments with his team, kind of neglected your point. I will say this I've recognized many of the players every season of football, but none of compared, or played like Messi which is a fact, and this season Messi messed up a lot too, but he still accomplished a bit by winning titles and being top scorer in two competition including overall and breaking decade old records. I can see every game his facial expression gives it away that he is upset with the defeat to Chelsea and not having to score a single goal against them in 8 matches and most importantly not reaching CL final.

They should just have individual awards for each catagory/position (striker, midfield, and defense). I think they have GK already and maybe defense too. As far as recognition I can't really see it happening because there is just too many this is why statistic and titles both come in handy to better assist them in choosing a winner. If you can give me one reason why Messi doesn't deserve it than go ahead, I can understand that one person winning over and over again, is tiring to people especially ones who don't favor that individual.

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Unfortunately, when you see Puyol in attacking position in the match against Chelsea, I'm really viewing Barca's defense being up to only 2 players if Bale were to come.

CR7 reminding United is not a new story. It's something that he keeps stating every once a while. I don't think he'll leave Madrid on a failure note though. By that, I mean that he will atleast try win CL and Ballon D'Or again first. But it won't surprise me to see him back at ManU someday.

In last 2 seasons, Liverpool bought Suarez, Caroll, Downing, Henderson, Jose Enrique, Lucas, Adams, Doni, Bellamy, Coates and some more. I'd stop because it's already quite some players in 2 years. Though few of them are top-quality players but that's their own fault. They chose to buy those players. Nobody forced them. When you see Arsenal/United/Tottenham being top teams since always by having 1/3 of the number of signings - you must admit that something worse than signings is problematic in Liverpool. In fact, it's worrying that they are so bad despite so many signings.

Take Newcastle who is now almost-favorites for 4th place. The money received by Caroll and spent on players like Demba Ba, Papiss Cisse and eBen Arfa is a master-stroke by Alan Pardew. What's the guarantee of saying that Liverpool will be better when they'll sign more players next years? They've been doing that inefficiently since 2 years and frankly, I don't see a much brighter future for them next season. Optimistically, they may fight for the 4th place but definitely not in Champions position.

Sure, they took Everton and United out of FA Cup (thanks to Evra-Suarez issue but let's not get back to that...U_U) and they took Chelsea and City out of Carling Cup. But where's the big thing when you win the Cup on Penalty shootouts against a 2nd Division team? Come on, they could even have lose it if luck wasn't on their side!

P.S - Don't include Ramsey in Heavyweights list - it's making me laugh way too much xd

Well Barcelona have never really played hard defense, the style of play was their biggest defensive play. I like seeing Alves, Pique, Puyol, and Abidal in the back we were almost next to impossible to beat with this line up (5-0 Madrid, Abdial returning after surgery VS United CL final 3-1 victory with only giving united 3 shots and 1 on target). If Bale comes I hope for him to learn from Puyol and Pique become more of a defensive attacker (when needed that is), or we can have a line up like this...

Pique, Puyol, Abdial (or get another defender, I personally want Vidal)
Alves, Xavi, Fabregas, Bale
Snachez, Messi, Iniesta

Barcelona are planning on spending about 100 million for next season we can get at least 2-3 world class players and I want at least one defender and one attacking L/RB. I also depend height if they go for a striker (Falcao, Cavani, RVP).

Well if Mou leaves its possible for his return all tho I see a problem with the cost to bring him back, especially since he has improved. SaF wanted to buy Alves lol they wanted to pay 25 for him, but Barcelona asking price was higher and SaF said due to his age he doesn't want to spend that much.

Suarez and Enrique have been fine IMO. Bellamy and Lucas have been decent also. I'm not saying Liverpool isn't to blame for their buying, but that has been their biggest downfall this season players like Hazard, Cavani, Falcao, Hulk, Tevez (maybe), Sneijder, Robben (I heard), Hinda, Bale, RVP, Ribery (possible), and others mainly including some fantastic players in Ligue 1 are up for grabs stop wasting time on little ones and go back that's what Liverpool need (not saying that they will get them, but chance is still there).

Newcastle spent their money much more wisely and found better players.

That happens. Barcelona last year hammered home all the big clubs, but their defeats came to little clubs including a 2-0 to Hercules who got relegated that season. The thing with Liverpool is they haven't shown consistency, so I'll give you this one

After seeing/reading (About Ramsey) what you posted on my wall couldn't help it lol

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Okay, it's not the gutted 6-1 feeling but this defeat against City is bitter and sad. It's hard to say it; so I'll say it only once - congrats to City for today's important win.

Sincerely, United didn't deserve the win today but it won't have been undeserving to clinch a draw though. Mostly all players gave it their all. The first half was an intense one but with neither team gaining any real chance. So, it's enraging to concede the crucial goal at 1st stoppage time and on a corner.

Smalling was man-marking Kompany but dropped the man-marking at a point (forced to diverge through a block) and this led to Kompany to attack the ball front and pass it to De Gea.

I always say it that stoppage time goals are always the most painful. It disrupts the tactical play, it hurt mentally and it also deroute the physiognomy of the match completely. Given the application of United players defensively, I don't think we deserve to concede that goal. Even more cruel, to concede it on a set-piece. But well... that's football!

In the second-half, United loosened its tight defense a bit and controlled a bit more the match. But at each offensive substitutions of United, Mancini brought in one more defender. So, they really made it hard for United to pass. City got 3 good chances to kill the match in last 10 minutes as United pushed more forward but blew it.

On the whole, City's win is not undeserved but a draw would have been a more logical result; given United's tight defensive display in 1st half and City's packed defenders in 2nd half.

Special Mentions of Players:

Yaya Toure was exceptional (Man of the Match in my eyes). Nasri gave a good showing; a little better than Silva who was substituted. Rooney did a good first half in terms of passing but was unable to produce any spark offensively. Got more lost in 2nd half. Aguero and Tevez couldn't bring much fire either with the tactical play. In fact, the tactical battle was so tight that I find it harsh not to clinch a draw. Park was aligned surprisingly and his role was to pressure Yaya Toure. Did it fairly well but failed more in his task as minutes pass. Once Park was out, Toure clearly had more liberty. I'm not angry that Fergie played Park but I'm angry that he did it at the expense of Valencia. Park usually delivers in big matches but considered that he barely played this season, it wasn't worth to take a risk in such big match. Risk which globally didn't pay off. Both teams' defenders were brilliant - with obviously that of City getting the final edge since they won...

City are once more favorites for the title but it's not won yet. I'd say they'll be champions if they do win at Newcastle or if United don't win at Swansea. I guess, Serie A and EPL titles won't be handed before the last day.

Well you covered most of Man U and City game, but I'll say this I saw a very convincing City side, but not as much as United like Barcelona have a short line up problem with players missing/injured and need new signing. Also this year has been a good one for De Gea in my eyes he's been promising has been sloppy in some games, but also has made some crucial saves in other to keep United were they are lets not forget its only his second season in football and 1st in a big club like United, he will indeed be a promising keeper.

Some United fans have really criticized SaF, by saying he should be sacked after the Everton game and even more flames after losing to City on him.

City have a chance, but it can go either way Newcastle came off a victory against Chelsea, so City needs to watch it. Madrid money spending after 3-4 years has finally paid off at least they captured La Liga title. We will wait and see if City pays off.

Juventus are on course for Serie A title, with Milan one point behind. Juventus are also having a season were they are invincible. They haven't lost in Serie A or in Coppa Italia and will face Napoli in the final on May 20th a day after CL final (May 19th) and than Copa Del Rey final Barcelona VS Bilboa May 25 all within a week.

United are also gunning for Hazard this summer.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

MU against the impossible, can they pull this one out ?

 

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MU against the impossible, can they pull this one out ?

Only if City screws up.

 

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In your point you are correct, but logically I have to disagree. Last year Cavani (Napoli), Di Natale (Udinese), Tevez (City), and more were top players for their clubs and lead them to CL, but yet they weren't recognition for FIFA. It's because we as watchers only recognition these talents as far as fighting for the best in the world goes, well frequently you need to prove it, which Messi has done for the past 3 years, a season hasn't gone were he hasn't won titles (he averages 3.25 titles a season, in other words 3 titles per season) and Messi is always the top scorer in mostly all competition (including season overall).

This season, Cavani, RVP, Gomez, Ibra, Neymar, Di Natale, Benzema/Higuain/Ozil, Vidal, Mata, Silva/Augero, Rooney, and etc are players I've personal recognition this season, but which one of them deserve to reach the top 3? Benzema/Higuain/Ozil have been key factors to winning La Liga and beating Barcelona in their final game of the season (against one another). Rooney and Silva/Augero have been key factors for their Manchester sides and both have a chance to capture the league title. Ibra closing in on Serie A once again. Mata has had a fantastic and convincing season in Chelsea including reaching FA a final and CL final. The striker listed are in the top 3 scorer list in almost all competition.

Than you have Messi again who has just broken records this season including beating Pele (66 goal for Brazilian club Santos in 1958), Ferenc Deak (66 goal for Ferencvaros in 1948-49) and Mueller (67 goals set for Bayern Munich in 1972-73) a 39 year old record. That including most goals scored in La Liga (I think) and CL all in one season. Messi has already won three titles with Barcelona, maybe a fourth (Copa Del Rey) including maybe picking up Pichichi, with 3 games to go in total for Barcelona him hitting 70 mark is very possible and 50 in La Liga is also there.

It's clear Messi will capture his 4th Ballon D'or, unless Ronaldo wins Euros with Portugal tides can change to his favor.

I'm sorry I was going on about Messi accomplishments with his team, kind of neglected your point. I will say this I've recognized many of the players every season of football, but none of compared, or played like Messi which is a fact, and this season Messi messed up a lot too, but he still accomplished a bit by winning titles and being top scorer in two competition including overall and breaking decade old records. I can see every game his facial expression gives it away that he is upset with the defeat to Chelsea and not having to score a single goal against them in 8 matches and most importantly not reaching CL final.

They should just have individual awards for each catagory/position (striker, midfield, and defense). I think they have GK already and maybe defense too. As far as recognition I can't really see it happening because there is just too many this is why statistic and titles both come in handy to better assist them in choosing a winner. If you can give me one reason why Messi doesn't deserve it than go ahead, I can understand that one person winning over and over again, is tiring to people especially ones who don't favor that individual.

Well Barcelona have never really played hard defense, the style of play was their biggest defensive play. I like seeing Alves, Pique, Puyol, and Abidal in the back we were almost next to impossible to beat with this line up (5-0 Madrid, Abdial returning after surgery VS United CL final 3-1 victory with only giving united 3 shots and 1 on target). If Bale comes I hope for him to learn from Puyol and Pique become more of a defensive attacker (when needed that is), or we can have a line up like this...

Pique, Puyol, Abdial (or get another defender, I personally want Vidal)
Alves, Xavi, Fabregas, Bale
Snachez, Messi, Iniesta

Barcelona are planning on spending about 100 million for next season we can get at least 2-3 world class players and I want at least one defender and one attacking L/RB. I also depend height if they go for a striker (Falcao, Cavani, RVP).

Well if Mou leaves its possible for his return all tho I see a problem with the cost to bring him back, especially since he has improved. SaF wanted to buy Alves lol they wanted to pay 25 for him, but Barcelona asking price was higher and SaF said due to his age he doesn't want to spend that much.

Suarez and Enrique have been fine IMO. Bellamy and Lucas have been decent also. I'm not saying Liverpool isn't to blame for their buying, but that has been their biggest downfall this season players like Hazard, Cavani, Falcao, Hulk, Tevez (maybe), Sneijder, Robben (I heard), Hinda, Bale, RVP, Ribery (possible), and others mainly including some fantastic players in Ligue 1 are up for grabs stop wasting time on little ones and go back that's what Liverpool need (not saying that they will get them, but chance is still there).

Newcastle spent their money much more wisely and found better players.

That happens. Barcelona last year hammered home all the big clubs, but their defeats came to little clubs including a 2-0 to Hercules who got relegated that season. The thing with Liverpool is they haven't shown consistency, so I'll give you this one

After seeing/reading (About Ramsey) what you posted on my wall couldn't help it lol

Well you covered most of Man U and City game, but I'll say this I saw a very convincing City side, but not as much as United like Barcelona have a short line up problem with players missing/injured and need new signing. Also this year has been a good one for De Gea in my eyes he's been promising has been sloppy in some games, but also has made some crucial saves in other to keep United were they are lets not forget its only his second season in football and 1st in a big club like United, he will indeed be a promising keeper.

Some United fans have really criticized SaF, by saying he should be sacked after the Everton game and even more flames after losing to City on him.

City have a chance, but it can go either way Newcastle came off a victory against Chelsea, so City needs to watch it. Madrid money spending after 3-4 years has finally paid off at least they captured La Liga title. We will wait and see if City pays off.

Juventus are on course for Serie A title, with Milan one point behind. Juventus are also having a season were they are invincible. They haven't lost in Serie A or in Coppa Italia and will face Napoli in the final on May 20th a day after CL final (May 19th) and than Copa Del Rey final Barcelona VS Bilboa May 25 all within a week.

United are also gunning for Hazard this summer.

I agree but why are scoring stats always the most important? How about how many saves goalkeepers made, how about how many passes completed, how about the assists stats, how about the ball won stats?

Goal statistics are overrated in my personal opinion to give the Ballon D'Or. Sure, it's perhaps the most influential and primordial statistic but the other stats are completely disregarded as well as the other elements I mentioned in my previous posts.

There's nothing that makes me say that Messi didn't deserve it but I do think that in 2011 and especially 2010, someone deserve it more.

Anyways, I'll end it here. There's no way I can undermine Messi as a great player (surely the Best in the World right now) but that doesn't change the fact in my eyes that Personal awards are being screwed up ever since Statistics and Talent overtook Accomplishments, Influence and Hardwork as criteria!

I've been seeing Bale since his beginning and is in fact one of my favorite players in EPL. But believe me, he's not that good in defense and I really don't think he'll do any good defensively to Barcelona. Speaking of defense, Puyol has just been ruled out of Euro2012.

Your positioning of Bale is interesting but I'm still doubtful. Pique dreams of Shakira's hips more than ball (can't blame him), Puyol is getting older and I wonder how long he'll stick, it's still not sure in what form Abidal will come after his operation and neither Bale and Alves are assurance policies in terms of defense. I see you ruled out Busquets which doesn't surprise coming from you. What will also be interesting is that - is there certain players which Vilanova don't particularly appreciate or someone who he'd like to see more often in starting line...?

There'll be lots of key players on the market. I guess, it's because of that Financial Fair-Play Policy issued by UEFA that's going to be activated around 2013-2014. That means, the next 2 transfer markets might be among the Hottest Ever. By the way, what's your take on that policy? We never talked about this - it won't be such a bad discussion...

I won't comment on City-United game again. Anyways, if United don't win it - it's because of that 4-4 draw which they themselves screwed up. I don't see City losing right now; especially after the pathetic Away form of QPR and the exceptional Home form of Citizens.

Juventus are back Champions. I really like that; considering they were my favorite Italian team before their Scandal.

United are gunning for Hazard and Modric but I'm doubtful for both considering the prices. SAF is right to finalize Kagawa & Siggourdsson first. Then be hopeful to clinch either Modric or Hazard. If not, they can still do another low-transfer with Joe Allen or Lucas Moura. But all-in-all, first I hope that Ferguson has realized that his midfield deserves reinforcements and that his formation needs to play more in the central.

 

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I agree but why are scoring stats always the most important? How about how many saves goalkeepers made, how about how many passes completed, how about the assists stats, how about the ball won stats?

Goal statistics are overrated in my personal opinion to give the Ballon D'Or. Sure, it's perhaps the most influential and primordial statistic but the other stats are completely disregarded as well as the other elements I mentioned in my previous posts.

There's nothing that makes me say that Messi didn't deserve it but I do think that in 2011 and especially 2010, someone deserve it more.

Anyways, I'll end it here. There's no way I can undermine Messi as a great player (surely the Best in the World right now) but that doesn't change the fact in my eyes that Personal awards are being screwed up ever since Statistics and Talent overtook Accomplishments, Influence and Hardwork as criteria!

I've been seeing Bale since his beginning and is in fact one of my favorite players in EPL. But believe me, he's not that good in defense and I really don't think he'll do any good defensively to Barcelona. Speaking of defense, Puyol has just been ruled out of Euro2012.

Your positioning of Bale is interesting but I'm still doubtful. Pique dreams of Shakira's hips more than ball (can't blame him), Puyol is getting older and I wonder how long he'll stick, it's still not sure in what form Abidal will come after his operation and neither Bale and Alves are assurance policies in terms of defense. I see you ruled out Busquets which doesn't surprise coming from you. What will also be interesting is that - is there certain players which Vilanova don't particularly appreciate or someone who he'd like to see more often in starting line...?

There'll be lots of key players on the market. I guess, it's because of that Financial Fair-Play Policy issued by UEFA that's going to be activated around 2013-2014. That means, the next 2 transfer markets might be among the Hottest Ever. By the way, what's your take on that policy? We never talked about this - it won't be such a bad discussion...

I won't comment on City-United game again. Anyways, if United don't win it - it's because of that 4-4 draw which they themselves screwed up. I don't see City losing right now; especially after the pathetic Away form of QPR and the exceptional Home form of Citizens.

Juventus are back Champions. I really like that; considering they were my favorite Italian team before their Scandal.

United are gunning for Hazard and Modric but I'm doubtful for both considering the prices. SAF is right to finalize Kagawa & Siggourdsson first. Then be hopeful to clinch either Modric or Hazard. If not, they can still do another low-transfer with Joe Allen or Lucas Moura. But all-in-all, first I hope that Ferguson has realized that his midfield deserves reinforcements and that his formation needs to play more in the central.

You can blame the fans on that one. Its just not in football, but majority of the sport excluding any racing ones that depend on stats (NHL, NBA, Rugby, etc). The fans usually look at stats and always argue that as their main point. As I said before Messi has captured at least 3 titles every season including being the top scorer in general of that season. I agree to some point that either Sneijder, Xavi should have won that year, but I'm not surprised Messi did. A lot weren't impressed with his WC performance although I don't deem it too be bad because every time he got either double/triple teamed and he was some what behind almost every goal by Argentina and the post was his best friend. I mean Barcelona that year won about 3-4 titles, including going to CL semi and Xavi having a good season including winning the WC that same year. Sneijder won every title possible with Inter and went to the finals only to lose Spain. Messi was the top scorer of that season (I think). He also had a big hand getting Barcelona were they are at the moment and he went to the quarter final? Or last 16 to be eliminated by Germany.

I think with Messi he shows a lot of consistency in the past years which is also observed. It seems every season he gets better, and he still holds 13 (after Bilboa game maybe 14) titles in 4 years. Messi has had a lot of accomplishments by breaking many records for example this year he has scored 72 goals the record most goals held was 3rd place the great Pele 66, second Mueller 67, and now Messi 72 with 2 games still had hand expect it to be 75 or more. He has won titles and has worked hard also, we can't say he hasn't. He's also a big influence for Barcelona. Everything you've listed I think Messi matches all that including his personal achievement (statistic/talent) for the past 4 years.

I was reading a funny article online a guy said soon its not going to be called world record in football, but Messi records at the pace he's going at.

I have followed Bale a little last year and most of this season. He has great talent, he's more of a player like Alves joining in on attack tho, but Alves has better defensive skills, while Bale has more height and power. I've been reading recent reports that Alves may leave Barcelona, maybe so they can sign Bale to replace him?

Puyol out of Euro puts a major doubt in the defending champions, but I think they can still pull it off with Ramos practicing central defense with Madrid he could be vital for this years success again.

There are reports of Pique not being, so happy at Barcelona? They've been dismissed, but recently I hear SaF would like to also bring Pique back, with Alves also on Man U radar, but due to his age and the price they don't agree. Puyol and Abidal are getting old and both have maximum one year if not less I'd say. I want Barcelona to sign Juve Vidal, or go for some German defenders. I mean most Spain defenders are attackers also lol Well Busquets doesn't have much strength and he dives/play acts way to much mainly he ruins Barca reputation. In Spain national team Alanso is always choose a head of Busquets. If Busquets was behind are defense? I don't even want to see that horror he may go down play acting giving opposition team a break way. I like that line up with Alves and Bale on the far end joining in with wingers. In your case are defense is the problem currently. Only time will tell what Vilanova does with the team, or players. Tello is another great talent, will see if he gets more time.

The "Financial Fair-Play Policy" will benefit some clubs, but also be bad in some ways. I mean some players who want to join a specific club, but due to their spending already he may have to wait another year or join another club/stick with his current and hope next year he gets an offer from them, which could end bad. It would help out a lot of youth in their academy, but can also be very risky. I think overall it's good in general, I mean clubs like Real Madrid, Man City, Chelsea, and now PSG will always have money to spend on these players, but they also ruin some of their careers ie: Tevez, Kaka, and etc. It will have a boundary and these struggling Euro tops may get some chance (Inter/Liverpool). In general it may benefit a lot of clubs and may rise competition in a lot of leagues including Europe. It will be good for Barcelona sinc ehe only make 1-2 big signings a year, but than again atm the we need more than 1-2 players.

Well this transfer is indeed going to be crazy with such big talents like Falcao, Cavani, Hulk, RVP, Suarez, Neymar, Hazard, Gotze, Llorente, Martinez, Higuain, Sahin, Robben/Ribery, Alba, Alaba (Bayern), Modric, Sneijder, and etc are all on the market, or looking for a move.

That list just gives me the creep who will land who. All thought I'm surprised Higuain was interested with PSG, but Mou doesn't want to let him go anywhere. Higuain is mervously of a player and can be like Benzema if he wanted to, but I guess Mou keeps him the same way he was from the beginning. I remember Benz was so bad last year and after a bit of motivation from outside competition (Adebayor) and Mou on his case he mixed himself up and can also make brilliant plays and has increased his vision on the pitch, I'd like to see Higuain work on that more instead of being a pure striker, which he is great at.

Suarez name has been ruined with the whole racism thing and Juve are opening doors for him and either RVP or Cavani. Sahin is known as "Madrid flop" all tho he faced injury most the season and just didn't get time to play another talents career maybe ruined hope he moves on, or Madrid give him a bigger role, but with Ozil being first and Kaka second looks tough way too much competition for this talent, but Bayern want him. Robben/Ribery will most likely stay with Bayern, but they are still in doubt. Barcelona want Alaba/Alba both one from Bayern (defender), second from Valencia (R/LB), United are also keen on signing Valencia Alba. Falcao pretty much single handly took Atheltico Madrid to Europa victory, congrats to them on out playing Bilboa, all tho Bilboa played well just didn't meet the mark, but Atheltico Madrid has a chance to finish 4 in Spain if the succeed next game and Malaga screws up a loss or draw for Malaga is needed to finish 5th and a win for A. Madrid, Aguero, Forlan, and Reyes struggled to do this, but Falcao, Tarun, and Deigo did it. Falcao won with Porto last year and this year won with A. Madrid.

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The battle of the young three Neymar, Hazard, and Gotze

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El Tigre Falcao...

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Defensive Mid...Vidal

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Well just some big names in next transfer window, As I said it sends shivers down my back seeing all these and wondering were they will go if not staying. RVP have Podolski and are close to sign M'Vila if RVP still stays could be a strong squad.

As far as United goes, Vidal, Gotze, Sneijder, Hazard, Modric, and Martinez, are all mid fielders take your pick and don't cheap out. Martinez is the cheapest being around 20-30 million.

I just spent an hr and half writing this! had to do a lot of research on somethings before posting may still be off, but I need a break from football now lol thank god for Euros! at least 30-40% of the time I was watching some of these players/team vids.

 

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32 wins (new record), 121 goals (one heck of a good record in Spain), 89 + In goal difference (New Record), 100 points! (New Record) and 9 points down to barca at the end of the season. What a season Madrid

 

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32 wins (new record), 121 goals (one heck of a good record in Spain), 89 + In goal difference (New Record), 100 points! (New Record) and 9 points down to barca at the end of the season. What a season Madrid

F**K, I'm still in a football hangover. I just can't describe what I feel now and certainly not my state during both matches.

Anyways, a brilliant season in all aspects for Madrid indeed. If you think of it, all leagues have been outstanding. Juventus didn't lose a single match. Dortmund completely dominated Bayern in all matches to clinch Bundesliga+Cup.

And what else to say on City/United? The most tight battle of this 2011-2012 leagues. United came so close...I'm seriously still astounded. Many would say that City deserved it more but well, United fought very well - you can't deny that. Despite key injuries throughout the season for us, many young players learning their ways and a much more limited finance compared to City, we fought till the end in definitely the craziest and toughest league of all. It was down to ONLY goal difference. In my eyes, both deserved the EPL title and here's my volley of

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You can blame the fans on that one. Its just not in football, but majority of the sport excluding any racing ones that depend on stats (NHL, NBA, Rugby, etc). The fans usually look at stats and always argue that as their main point. As I said before Messi has captured at least 3 titles every season including being the top scorer in general of that season. I agree to some point that either Sneijder, Xavi should have won that year, but I'm not surprised Messi did. A lot weren't impressed with his WC performance although I don't deem it too be bad because every time he got either double/triple teamed and he was some what behind almost every goal by Argentina and the post was his best friend. I mean Barcelona that year won about 3-4 titles, including going to CL semi and Xavi having a good season including winning the WC that same year. Sneijder won every title possible with Inter and went to the finals only to lose Spain. Messi was the top scorer of that season (I think). He also had a big hand getting Barcelona were they are at the moment and he went to the quarter final? Or last 16 to be eliminated by Germany.

I think with Messi he shows a lot of consistency in the past years which is also observed. It seems every season he gets better, and he still holds 13 (after Bilboa game maybe 14) titles in 4 years. Messi has had a lot of accomplishments by breaking many records for example this year he has scored 72 goals the record most goals held was 3rd place the great Pele 66, second Mueller 67, and now Messi 72 with 2 games still had hand expect it to be 75 or more. He has won titles and has worked hard also, we can't say he hasn't. He's also a big influence for Barcelona. Everything you've listed I think Messi matches all that including his personal achievement (statistic/talent) for the past 4 years.

I was reading a funny article online a guy said soon its not going to be called world record in football, but Messi records at the pace he's going at.

I have followed Bale a little last year and most of this season. He has great talent, he's more of a player like Alves joining in on attack tho, but Alves has better defensive skills, while Bale has more height and power. I've been reading recent reports that Alves may leave Barcelona, maybe so they can sign Bale to replace him?

Puyol out of Euro puts a major doubt in the defending champions, but I think they can still pull it off with Ramos practicing central defense with Madrid he could be vital for this years success again.

There are reports of Pique not being, so happy at Barcelona? They've been dismissed, but recently I hear SaF would like to also bring Pique back, with Alves also on Man U radar, but due to his age and the price they don't agree. Puyol and Abidal are getting old and both have maximum one year if not less I'd say. I want Barcelona to sign Juve Vidal, or go for some German defenders. I mean most Spain defenders are attackers also lol Well Busquets doesn't have much strength and he dives/play acts way to much mainly he ruins Barca reputation. In Spain national team Alanso is always choose a head of Busquets. If Busquets was behind are defense? I don't even want to see that horror he may go down play acting giving opposition team a break way. I like that line up with Alves and Bale on the far end joining in with wingers. In your case are defense is the problem currently. Only time will tell what Vilanova does with the team, or players. Tello is another great talent, will see if he gets more time.

The "Financial Fair-Play Policy" will benefit some clubs, but also be bad in some ways. I mean some players who want to join a specific club, but due to their spending already he may have to wait another year or join another club/stick with his current and hope next year he gets an offer from them, which could end bad. It would help out a lot of youth in their academy, but can also be very risky. I think overall it's good in general, I mean clubs like Real Madrid, Man City, Chelsea, and now PSG will always have money to spend on these players, but they also ruin some of their careers ie: Tevez, Kaka, and etc. It will have a boundary and these struggling Euro tops may get some chance (Inter/Liverpool). In general it may benefit a lot of clubs and may rise competition in a lot of leagues including Europe. It will be good for Barcelona sinc ehe only make 1-2 big signings a year, but than again atm the we need more than 1-2 players.

Well this transfer is indeed going to be crazy with such big talents like Falcao, Cavani, Hulk, RVP, Suarez, Neymar, Hazard, Gotze, Llorente, Martinez, Higuain, Sahin, Robben/Ribery, Alba, Alaba (Bayern), Modric, Sneijder, and etc are all on the market, or looking for a move.

That list just gives me the creep who will land who. All thought I'm surprised Higuain was interested with PSG, but Mou doesn't want to let him go anywhere. Higuain is mervously of a player and can be like Benzema if he wanted to, but I guess Mou keeps him the same way he was from the beginning. I remember Benz was so bad last year and after a bit of motivation from outside competition (Adebayor) and Mou on his case he mixed himself up and can also make brilliant plays and has increased his vision on the pitch, I'd like to see Higuain work on that more instead of being a pure striker, which he is great at.

Suarez name has been ruined with the whole racism thing and Juve are opening doors for him and either RVP or Cavani. Sahin is known as "Madrid flop" all tho he faced injury most the season and just didn't get time to play another talents career maybe ruined hope he moves on, or Madrid give him a bigger role, but with Ozil being first and Kaka second looks tough way too much competition for this talent, but Bayern want him. Robben/Ribery will most likely stay with Bayern, but they are still in doubt. Barcelona want Alaba/Alba both one from Bayern (defender), second from Valencia (R/LB), United are also keen on signing Valencia Alba. Falcao pretty much single handly took Atheltico Madrid to Europa victory, congrats to them on out playing Bilboa, all tho Bilboa played well just didn't meet the mark, but Atheltico Madrid has a chance to finish 4 in Spain if the succeed next game and Malaga screws up a loss or draw for Malaga is needed to finish 5th and a win for A. Madrid, Aguero, Forlan, and Reyes struggled to do this, but Falcao, Tarun, and Deigo did it. Falcao won with Porto last year and this year won with A. Madrid.

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The battle of the young three Neymar, Hazard, and Gotze

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El Tigre Falcao...

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They call him Lion King lol

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Defensive Mid...Vidal

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Well just some big names in next transfer window, As I said it sends shivers down my back seeing all these and wondering were they will go if not staying. RVP have Podolski and are close to sign M'Vila if RVP still stays could be a strong squad.

As far as United goes, Vidal, Gotze, Sneijder, Hazard, Modric, and Martinez, are all mid fielders take your pick and don't cheap out. Martinez is the cheapest being around 20-30 million.

I just spent an hr and half writing this! had to do a lot of research on somethings before posting may still be off, but I need a break from football now lol thank god for Euros! at least 30-40% of the time I was watching some of these players/team vids.

I'm seriously not in a state to debate how great Messi is Just

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The reason I see Barca's defense to become more and more key, is because more and more teams are beginning to learn the tactic to NOT lose against Barcelona. Personally, as long as a team is winning, you can't really find an appropriate tactic. But after being on the summit for 3 years, they won't win much in this season except a possible Copa Del Rey. All-in-all, teams are going to analyze how to counter Barcelona and the matches they'll study the most are the ones that Barcelona couldn't win. And it's no hidden fact that the biggest weakness in Barcelona is its defense.

Btw, Vidal just said twice that he won't leave Juventus. The likes of Modric and Bale will speak of their transfers/stay as soon as the CL Final is over. Tottenham ended 4th which means that if Chelsea wins the Champions League, they'll be reverted in Europa League. Not playing CL for a 2nd season will surely catalyst the departure of Bale and Modric. Now, it'll be interesting what happens if they remain in the CL.

Coming to the "Financial Fair-Play Policy", I'd say it's gonna produce elitism in most leagues and that doesn't enchant me too much. It would be extremely profitable for United but going by an unbiased decision, I don't think that it's going to increase competition like you say. It would take much unpredictability in competitions IMO. Clubs that are going to benefit the most of this Policy are going to be clubs having great young talents or great academy schools; notably: Barcelona, United, Arsenal, Ajax, Sporting CP or even Liverpool. As you said, many young talents are going to get primed with that and as such, academies are going to be keys. It's not just a boundary of money for Madrid, City, PSG, Chelsea. It's even a statement that now, there'll be 2 markets - the actual one and one that concerns to lure youths in academies. This is something those "rich" teams didn't do much and now, they'll need to invest a lot more in academies.

Now, obviously, the "Policy" may turn things for the better as you said but I'm skeptical. For that to happen, many teams will have to retain most of their talents till the policy is implemented. However, many are thinking to get a better revenue now cause they won't be having the same price in the next 2 years. Regardless of their form! Teams like Dortmund, Bilbao, Tottenham, Napoli, Arsenal, Porto, Ajax, Juventus, Valencia ect... hold the key of either increasing competition or depleting it by selling most of their most talented players in the next 2 years. This was your list and I bolded the ones that are in teams I mentioned above - Falcao, Cavani, Hulk, RVP, Suarez, Neymar, Hazard, Gotze, Llorente, Martinez, Higuain, Sahin, Robben/Ribery, Alba, Alaba (Bayern), Modric, Sneijder ect... This clearly shows that those teams are more on the verge of depleting competition post-policy. In fact, I wouldn't be erroneous that players like Bale, Ericksen, Subotic, Vidal, Lavezzi, RVP ect... might also leave in the next 2 years. Perhaps, Arsenal can recover considering their academies' prowess but they still won't be able to challenge for the title then. As you says, this will encourage every top team to do only 1-2 signings each year post-implementation of the policy. Take a team like Chelsea or Inter - Can they rebuild a young team within 2 years cause they need youth in their squad. This policy is encouraging teams to believe in their youngsters but they are also inciting talented young players to leave within 2 years' time...

And apart from boundaries on transfers' spending, what is interesting is how much players will accept their new salaries? Players in Madrid and City are going to see a huge decrease in their salaries. The Policy says in a round-about way that you can't expend more than what you gain in a season. For example, if a medium team gets $ 200 Million in a season, they must afford the transfers economics and all the salaries in $200 million. Now, obviously, teams like City/Madrid gain like much more every year but I'm pretty sure, the salaries are extremely hefty. Cup wins, League wins, CL participation are all going to give increased revenues but in case, there were to be a drought in trophies, the balance may change.

Coming to the transfers speculations, it's indeed a top list that is salivating. I'd like to see who'll bet on aging talents like Sneijder, Robben, Ribery, Forlan given that younger talents are in prime. On the battle Neymar, Hazard, and Gotze - well, Gotze's long injury is going to deplete a bit his value and it has ironically increased the value of his teammate Kagawa. Hazard is a top-talent since some time now. I get all Ligue 1 matches and he's pretty consistent. Hopefully, he won't get injured anytime soon. Neymar is fiery talent but as everyone, I won't know his mettle unless he comes to play in Europe. By the way, his price won't decrease with the Policy since he plays in Brazil and the Policy concerns all European teams. Expect some crazy price for this crazy talent.

 

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I'm seriously not in a state to debate how great Messi is Just

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- all the records Messi have yet to break. It's silly but well, it's for fun.

The reason I see Barca's defense to become more and more key, is because more and more teams are beginning to learn the tactic to NOT lose against Barcelona. Personally, as long as a team is winning, you can't really find an appropriate tactic. But after being on the summit for 3 years, they won't win much in this season except a possible Copa Del Rey. All-in-all, teams are going to analyze how to counter Barcelona and the matches they'll study the most are the ones that Barcelona couldn't win. And it's no hidden fact that the biggest weakness in Barcelona is its defense.

Btw, Vidal just said twice that he won't leave Juventus. The likes of Modric and Bale will speak of their transfers/stay as soon as the CL Final is over. Tottenham ended 4th which means that if Chelsea wins the Champions League, they'll be reverted in Europa League. Not playing CL for a 2nd season will surely catalyst the departure of Bale and Modric. Now, it'll be interesting what happens if they remain in the CL.

Coming to the "Financial Fair-Play Policy", I'd say it's gonna produce elitism in most leagues and that doesn't enchant me too much. It would be extremely profitable for United but going by an unbiased decision, I don't think that it's going to increase competition like you say. It would take much unpredictability in competitions IMO. Clubs that are going to benefit the most of this Policy are going to be clubs having great young talents or great academy schools; notably: Barcelona, United, Arsenal, Ajax, Sporting CP or even Liverpool. As you said, many young talents are going to get primed with that and as such, academies are going to be keys. It's not just a boundary of money for Madrid, City, PSG, Chelsea. It's even a statement that now, there'll be 2 markets - the actual one and one that concerns to lure youths in academies. This is something those "rich" teams didn't do much and now, they'll need to invest a lot more in academies.

Now, obviously, the "Policy" may turn things for the better as you said but I'm skeptical. For that to happen, many teams will have to retain most of their talents till the policy is implemented. However, many are thinking to get a better revenue now cause they won't be having the same price in the next 2 years. Regardless of their form! Teams like Dortmund, Bilbao, Tottenham, Napoli, Arsenal, Porto, Ajax, Juventus, Valencia ect... hold the key of either increasing competition or depleting it by selling most of their most talented players in the next 2 years. This was your list and I bolded the ones that are in teams I mentioned above - Falcao, Cavani, Hulk, RVP, Suarez, Neymar, Hazard, Gotze, Llorente, Martinez, Higuain, Sahin, Robben/Ribery, Alba, Alaba (Bayern), Modric, Sneijder ect... This clearly shows that those teams are more on the verge of depleting competition post-policy. In fact, I wouldn't be erroneous that players like Bale, Ericksen, Subotic, Vidal, Lavezzi, RVP ect... might also leave in the next 2 years. Perhaps, Arsenal can recover considering their academies' prowess but they still won't be able to challenge for the title then. As you says, this will encourage every top team to do only 1-2 signings each year post-implementation of the policy. Take a team like Chelsea or Inter - Can they rebuild a young team within 2 years cause they need youth in their squad. This policy is encouraging teams to believe in their youngsters but they are also inciting talented young players to leave within 2 years' time...

And apart from boundaries on transfers' spending, what is interesting is how much players will accept their new salaries? Players in Madrid and City are going to see a huge decrease in their salaries. The Policy says in a round-about way that you can't expend more than what you gain in a season. For example, if a medium team gets $ 200 Million in a season, they must afford the transfers economics and all the salaries in $200 million. Now, obviously, teams like City/Madrid gain like much more every year but I'm pretty sure, the salaries are extremely hefty. Cup wins, League wins, CL participation are all going to give increased revenues but in case, there were to be a drought in trophies, the balance may change.

Coming to the transfers speculations, it's indeed a top list that is salivating. I'd like to see who'll bet on aging talents like Sneijder, Robben, Ribery, Forlan given that younger talents are in prime. On the battle Neymar, Hazard, and Gotze - well, Gotze's long injury is going to deplete a bit his value and it has ironically increased the value of his teammate Kagawa. Hazard is a top-talent since some time now. I get all Ligue 1 matches and he's pretty consistent. Hopefully, he won't get injured anytime soon. Neymar is fiery talent but as everyone, I won't know his mettle unless he comes to play in Europe. By the way, his price won't decrease with the Policy since he plays in Brazil and the Policy concerns all European teams. Expect some crazy price for this crazy talent.

I saw that already, but I actually laughed. I mean all those people listed are either retired, or on the verge to retire and the age is around 30-40, and how old is Messi? 24? I think about 30, he'll clear 75% of those records with ease too. Messi already has 51 goals at age 24, while Raul (top CL scorer) has 71 at age (36?). That means Messi has 12 years to score 21 goals to beat that record lol make it done in two years actually. Apperence is just stupid I mean even Ronaldo has more because of age difference. The level people go to bring someone down is unbelievable.

Pele 1000+ goal (which about 80-85%) was scored in Brazil, so really doesn't bother me. All the top players in Europe I doubt anyone reached 1000 goal due to the competition (Maradona, Cyruff, Ronaldo (9), and etc). I can put down Messi being the all time top scorer in Europe right now by the time he reaches his retirement. By the way Madrid Benzema wants to play a long side Messi

And that tactic is playing defensively and relying on counter attacks...As SaF said last year that is cowardly of playing, there is no better glory in beating Barcelona by playing the football you've been playing for years. Man U game VS Barcelona last CL final, they play their style and attacked with good defense play I mean even Messi they barely double or triple teamed him, they were focused on Xavi and Inesita, the first half was electrifying, but the second half Man U just lost control of the game. It's true we need 1-2 more good central defenders and trust me will be set and back on our game. This year Barcelona have won 8 out of 25 games when Messi has not scored which gives them a 32 win %. Pique has been way to busy with Shakira hips, I hope they (Spain) don't have a problem in Euros because of it with Puyol out Pique or Ramos have to take charge and majority of Spain L/R back are offensive players (Ramos, Arbeloa, Alba, etc).

Vidal is saying that now, but we don't know what the future holds more importantly his fate. Anything is possible. I recently read an article were it states Bale is keen on a move to MADRID!! If they remain in CL I don't know they are losing Adebayor unless they buy him and he's been key for them also. I mean looking back and seeing that every team that has beaten Barcelona in the semi final has won the CL that year, Man U (07/08), Inter (09/10), and now Chelsea (11/12), Maybe. Bayern has lost three in a row also, so they don't seem in form.

I just read another article were Robben states Mou told him after the final whistle at Madrid, "Now that you have beaten us go to the final and win (beat Chelsea)." lol one hand he is supporting Chelsea on the other not raeally I guess he wants to win the first CL with Chelsea and he had a much younger squad at the time and couldn't if this one does win, it will haunt Mou lol

I think it will benefit them and other clubs still. I mean look at Valencia shockingly to say they have won CL twice (I think), they had a fantastic squad when Villa and Silva were there. This is the thing with these small clubs they lose their biggest talent, but with the FFPP clubs will think twice before signing someone due to restriction. City in the past three years signed Tevez, Yaya, Dezko, Silva, Nasri, Aguero, and Clichy. Those are some big names (maybe except for Clichy, but he's pretty good at times). I mean each of those players must have cost $30+ million. With the policy clubs can't really gamble like that. In some clubs atm they take player and pay at the end of the year, I'm sure that won't be happening with FFPP. Coaches and board will have to think smarter, who from the academy is in top form, what position is he playing, after that should we sign someone for a certain position that needs strength. It'll all count on using your head and maybe help save some money for next window.

The players I have listed will most likely go, but if FFPP took place now guaranteed more than half those transfer wouldn't happen. Which would bring up still a lot of competition. At the very present it would benefit Spain, as (IMO) we've seen some rare talent come from there and most Argentina/Brazil players would love to play their with FFPP not affecting them will benefit Spain also.

Coming to the salary part is another big hitter and demand on some players to leave ie (Kaka, Higuain). The players that don't play much games will be obviously cut down as example Benzema is favorite over Higuain and Ozil over Kaka. This will make players want to leave and play somewhere else were not only do they get starting position, but maybe slight better salary. This could have them depart either struggling clubs like Chelsea, Liverpool, Inter, and so on that still have a big name. I mean all in all if it takes place will see how it really turns out, but I'm sure by the time it happens a lot of players will already be in a top clubs, but it will benefit the smaller ones more.

The thing about older talent is that they bring in experience, which will be a big benefit for some clubs, but also a waste of money if the player doesn;'t live up to expectation. Gotze is still pretty well off, Neymar destination is pretty much Barcelona it's inevitable, unless Pele tells him to play somewhere else in order to over take Messi in Europe. Ronaldo (9), Mercelo, are all telling Neymar to join Madrid, Ronbinho, Alves are saying join Barcelona. As far as Hazard is concerned he has already stated he will play for Manchester next year, but is keeping everyone in suspense on which one he'll play with. Kagawa and Lewandowski are on SaF radar, two young talents. United want to pay $30 million for Hazard, but Lillie wants $41 million, which City is offering to pay (with FFPP this would probably not happen as the restriction, and wages is concerned United would have been favorite indefinite)

 

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Well, I usually don't believe much in myths trend but this one is interesting because it also had some factual meaning. I guess, that winning against Barcelona (especially when reigning champions) gives your the feel to have win in your most strenuous match of the season. I don't about Barcelona about best offensive team but I do maintain that it's the hardest to defend against Barcelona. It exhausts really mentally and kudos to teams who did that in CL. All-in-all, this trend is firstly a psychological boost and afterwards, it's a fun myth.

Well, I guess I'd repeat myself but in my eyes, football is for victory. It's a sport and as such, the sportsmen' job is to clinch for glories, victories and prizes. We are selfish to demand to be entertained. Cause the footballer's job is to strive to win a match. That's why they are paid. That's why they train for. That's why they became footballers. We should keep in mind that they are no entertainers. It's all the better when they also entertain us in package. But we are not really right to force all teams to practice entertaining football. Victory should be prized before entertainment. And we should value Chelsea for the way they striven for victory and not deplore how they did not entertain us as we wished for.

I have to disagree here. I agree football is about victory, but entertainment comes with the package. Barcelona are the best team in the world at this time and in the past 3-4 years no team has accomplished as much as they have. The thing with Barcelona is they play an attractive game of football which is a lot of entertainment for others. Rooney stated many times during the El Clasico on twitter after the game speaking of either Messi/Xavi/Ineista and how stunning they played and glided down the field who have indeed not only clinched victories, but entertained everyone.

Skills = Entertainment.

Vision, Pass, Shoots, Volley, dribbles, are all a part of an entertainment. Neymar, Hazard are players which entertain the audience as well as playing a very attractive game.

The best clubs in Europe in their time (Madrid, Bayern, Milan, Liverpool, Barca) they played attractive football, with a lot of entertainment as well as getting key victories in their own respective era.

Chelsea style against Barca/Bayern is nothing attractive nor entertainment, sure they won and went into history, but that level of football played would be expected from a 2nd division maybe mid table club.

Everyone mock Chelsea line up 1-0-10, its pretty much how they played. This performance by Chelsea didn't live up to the Euro heavyweight performance you'd expect. Barca VS ManU and Inter VS Bayern final were much more entertaining and world class performance.

I'm not going to take anything away from Chelsea, I already stated I liked a lot of their defensive saves, but the halfway part was just sad.

Chelsea nevertheless throw one stone and hit two birds. Bayern finished with no trophies coach will be sacked been two years trophless, players like Robben and Ribery will most likely be trasnfered, so bayern could get younger players.

Tottenham is pretty much going to lose Modric and Bale, Modric Man U, Chelsea and recent reports Madrid are keen on. Bale Barca and now Madrid have also joined the race seems this win for Chelsea will convert Tottenham in mid table.

The transfer window will go nuts this transfer I have a feeling City, Psg will spend a lot I'm guessing Chelsea will also, along with Madrid and I hope Barca makes some key signings too. Juventus needs to built a stronger squad and they eyed up a lot of players and will have funds.

 

[Phonjo]

I have to disagree here. I agree football is about victory, but entertainment comes with the package. Barcelona are the best team in the world at this time and in the past 3-4 years no team has accomplished as much as they have. The thing with Barcelona is they play an attractive game of football which is a lot of entertainment for others. Rooney stated many times during the El Clasico on twitter after the game speaking of either Messi/Xavi/Ineista and how stunning they played and glided down the field who have indeed not only clinched victories, but entertained everyone.

Skills = Entertainment.

Vision, Pass, Shoots, Volley, dribbles, are all a part of an entertainment. Neymar, Hazard are players which entertain the audience as well as playing a very attractive game.

The best clubs in Europe in their time (Madrid, Bayern, Milan, Liverpool, Barca) they played attractive football, with a lot of entertainment as well as getting key victories in their own respective era.

Chelsea style against Barca/Bayern is nothing attractive nor entertainment, sure they won and went into history, but that level of football played would be expected from a 2nd division maybe mid table club.

Everyone mock Chelsea line up 1-0-10, its pretty much how they played. This performance by Chelsea didn't live up to the Euro heavyweight performance you'd expect. Barca VS ManU and Inter VS Bayern final were much more entertaining and world class performance.

I'm not going to take anything away from Chelsea, I already stated I liked a lot of their defensive saves, but the halfway part was just sad.

Chelsea nevertheless throw one stone and hit two birds. Bayern finished with no trophies coach will be sacked been two years trophless, players like Robben and Ribery will most likely be trasnfered, so bayern could get younger players.

Tottenham is pretty much going to lose Modric and Bale, Modric Man U, Chelsea and recent reports Madrid are keen on. Bale Barca and now Madrid have also joined the race seems this win for Chelsea will convert Tottenham in mid table.

The transfer window will go nuts this transfer I have a feeling City, Psg will spend a lot I'm guessing Chelsea will also, along with Madrid and I hope Barca makes some key signings too. Juventus needs to built a stronger squad and they eyed up a lot of players and will have funds.

I sure hope that Tottenham don't sell both of them. Modric is the one that is likely to leave due to his age and his desire for trophies. Bale says that he wants to stay at the club because he is settled but I don't know... Now that Abidal has retired, there is all this speculation about Bale moving to Barca, even though it would cost chuck loads of Euros to get him. Hopefully they will settle on Alba instead; apparently he was one of the players who trained at La Masia with your Xavis and Iniestas. Maybe even Alaba?

While Chelsea probably did not deserve to win, congratulations to them and to their Interim Coach Di Matteo. Shame there will be another season without Champion's League Football at White Hart Lane but we really only have ourselves to blame for the 4th placed finish the season.

 

[ReLax -]

I sure hope that Tottenham don't sell both of them. Modric is the one that is likely to leave due to his age and his desire for trophies. Bale says that he wants to stay at the club because he is settled but I don't know... Now that Abidal has retired, there is all this speculation about Bale moving to Barca, even though it would cost chuck loads of Euros to get him. Hopefully they will settle on Alba instead; apparently he was one of the players who trained at La Masia with your Xavis and Iniestas. Maybe even Alaba?

While Chelsea probably did not deserve to win, congratulations to them and to their Interim Coach Di Matteo. Shame there will be another season without Champion's League Football at White Hart Lane but we really only have ourselves to blame for the 4th placed finish the season.

The fact that they are out of CL will be a big factor for their star players (Bale, Modric, and even Van Der Vaart). Bale is saying that now, but the second an actual offer comes especially now I'm sure he'll exit, but than again he may not. I read an article not too long ago, but it was said that Bale was keen on a move to Madrid. Jordi Alba is wanted by ManU and Barcelona, and yes he is from the Barcelona youth academy. Bayern Alaba is also on Barcelona list a long with Milan Thaigo Silva.

As I said Chelsea were destined to win. I personally don't think they played a game final worthy (IMO), but they won. Its sad a team like Chelsea struggled in the league were as Hotspurs fought hard, but because of this CL rule, they are out of CL next year, but than Chelsea deserved this also and another chance, you can see the redeemed themselves just at the end.

 

[Phonjo]

The fact that they are out of CL will be a big factor for their star players (Bale, Modric, and even Van Der Vaart). Bale is saying that now, but the second an actual offer comes especially now I'm sure he'll exit, but than again he may not. I read an article not too long ago, but it was said that Bale was keen on a move to Madrid. Jordi Alba is wanted by ManU and Barcelona, and yes he is from the Barcelona youth academy. Bayern Alaba is also on Barcelona list a long with Milan Thaigo Silva.

As I said Chelsea were destined to win. I personally don't think they played a game final worthy (IMO), but they won. Its sad a team like Chelsea struggled in the league were as Hotspurs fought hard, but because of this CL rule, they are out of CL next year, but than Chelsea deserved this also and another chance, you can see the redeemed themselves just at the end.

Yeah I know; if you can beat Barcelona while 2-0 down with only 10 men at the Nou Camp then I guess you deserve another shot at it next year.

Reports also say that Assou-Ekotto wants to leave if they did not qualify for Champion's League next season as well... Well hopefully we can sign Vertonghen but even so losing a player like Modric or VDV will turn us into a Europa-Quality team. I guess Arsenal were faced with this predicament this season but RVP was able to play out of his skin and they got 3rd.

It's just sad that hard work and consistency is overlooked for some one-off achievements in this case.

 

[Escorpiius]

I have to disagree here. I agree football is about victory, but entertainment comes with the package. Barcelona are the best team in the world at this time and in the past 3-4 years no team has accomplished as much as they have. The thing with Barcelona is they play an attractive game of football which is a lot of entertainment for others. Rooney stated many times during the El Clasico on twitter after the game speaking of either Messi/Xavi/Ineista and how stunning they played and glided down the field who have indeed not only clinched victories, but entertained everyone.

Skills = Entertainment.

Vision, Pass, Shoots, Volley, dribbles, are all a part of an entertainment. Neymar, Hazard are players which entertain the audience as well as playing a very attractive game.

The best clubs in Europe in their time (Madrid, Bayern, Milan, Liverpool, Barca) they played attractive football, with a lot of entertainment as well as getting key victories in their own respective era.

Chelsea style against Barca/Bayern is nothing attractive nor entertainment, sure they won and went into history, but that level of football played would be expected from a 2nd division maybe mid table club.

Everyone mock Chelsea line up 1-0-10, its pretty much how they played. This performance by Chelsea didn't live up to the Euro heavyweight performance you'd expect. Barca VS ManU and Inter VS Bayern final were much more entertaining and world class performance.

I'm not going to take anything away from Chelsea, I already stated I liked a lot of their defensive saves, but the halfway part was just sad.

Chelsea nevertheless throw one stone and hit two birds. Bayern finished with no trophies coach will be sacked been two years trophless, players like Robben and Ribery will most likely be trasnfered, so bayern could get younger players.

Tottenham is pretty much going to lose Modric and Bale, Modric Man U, Chelsea and recent reports Madrid are keen on. Bale Barca and now Madrid have also joined the race seems this win for Chelsea will convert Tottenham in mid table.

The transfer window will go nuts this transfer I have a feeling City, Psg will spend a lot I'm guessing Chelsea will also, along with Madrid and I hope Barca makes some key signings too. Juventus needs to built a stronger squad and they eyed up a lot of players and will have funds.

I'll reply to your previous post as soon as I get some time. I thought to reply to it before the final started yesterday but got busy. In fact, I missed the first 5 minutes of the final.

Well, you know me and when I say that some of my favorite players include Ronaldinho, Zidane, CR7 ect... I guess, you do understand that I value players who entertain a lot.

Still, I find us to be over-demanding. There are different levels of priorities in nowadays' professional modern football. I think players value victories first most. Then come their career and salaries. Then their personal and team achievements. Afterwards, come pleasure of football and entertainment of fans. It's great to see great talents entertain us but let's admit it that it's fair enough for them to prioritize their achievements and salaries first. Whether we like it or not, whether we find it sad or not, we can't deny that football is now more about money and stats. You said it yourself in quite some posts that it's now part of the world of football and we just can't deny it.

We'll always be in awe with players with amazing skills in whatever form. But we need to grasp that footballers' job include entertainment but it's not among their Big 3 priorities and objectives as per their contract. It's true that we'll always remember the more entertaining and attractive finals. Like few people will remember a 0-0 final.

Still, Chelsea were underdogs. They had lacking/suspensions, aging players, a dismal start of season & minimal world-class players. In those conditions, they couldn't deliver on the entertainment package. So why risk to burn themselves onto something they can't do when they can find another way around to complete their major priorities... They needed to work hard with concentration, they needed to work for team's purpose and they needed to win. They fulfilled those 3; which are core to football.

That's one reason why Neymar is risky. He wants to entertains fans and take pleasure. Well, that's Brazilian culture. A nice and pure culture. But come to Europe where team hardwork, money and victories are primed. How will he cope with harsh realities of football?

I'd like to go back to the 5th or 6th match of the season where there were United v/s Chelsea in EPL. In that match, Chelsea (under AVB) keep attacking and attacked while United attacked also. Unfortunately, Chelsea were inefficient while United buried 3 in 1st half. It was entertaining but it was also suicidal football as they tried something that was not their forte. Sure, Torres did that horrendous miss in that match and they score one. But, offensive attractive football needs to be efficient. And efficiency comes with players with creative thinking. Let's face it, Chelsea didn't have that while Bayern had. Yet, they clinched the victory.

What I wanna say is that Chelsea's tactics sound easy on paper but it's hard to do that. "This performance by Chelsea didn't live up to the Euro heavyweight performance" - All this is easy to say but when we think of it, so few teams could do what they did. Take Bayern, they kept bombadring Cech for 70 minutes, break the lock at 82nd minute but they defended with the whole team on Chelsea's corner but they still conceded a goal. That was the sole moment when Bayern defended with 11 players but they failed to do it. It's far from easy to do it. Even top-class team like Barcelona fail in that domain. Remember Milan in group stages. It's so easy to say that Chelsea chosen the coward' way but we should also realize how difficult it must have been to resist for whole match against Bayern' armada. So, we should hail Chelsea a little more; instead of repeating that final wasn't up to the level.

Chelsea are not the Best team in Europe but they were the Most Deserving of this year in Europe.

Ribery is overrated. I think it's shown tonight. He's good but doesn't step up his game when the level is increased. He did a good 1st leg against Madrid. But was sub-par in both the 2nd leg against Madrid and the Final. No wonders, why he can't save the France National team.

Tottenham have been cultivating gold mine since some years now. Let's who's going to harvest from it. Last year, it was Arsenal with Clichy, Nasri, Fab ect... This year, those 2 spots belong to Dortmund and Tottenham mainly. I agree that the transfer season will be crazy.

Its sad a team like Chelsea struggled in the league were as Hotspurs fought hard, but because of this CL rule, they are out of CL next year, but than Chelsea deserved this also and another chance, you can see the redeemed themselves just at the end.

Let's make an analysis of all teams in CL and respective leagues to find some logic.

This was an inverted season for English teams. The two Manchesters were absolutely disastrous in European matches but were fabulous in EPL. In fact, they delivered the most thrilling fight in EPL since years. On the other hand, we got Chelsea. Pathetic in EPL but heroic in European performances. Concluding with a first CL trophy against all odds.

The only logic that I find in this craziness is that English teams couldn't cope on both field. It was either the League or Champions League. The low-teams in EPL aren't that strong but they fight with too much will and heart.

Madrid and Barcelona decided to play on all fronts. Result: Barcelona burnt themselves in league while Madrid was ousted in Copa Del Rey. These 2 teams normally should be able to play on all competitions; given their force and squad. Yet, they didn't won the CL. They did honorable performance in CL since there's a lack of competition in Liga.

Unlike in EPL, Liga Giants don't need to choose between CL or League. They can clinch both since they'll barely lose points against teams below them. There's not that security in EPL. Madrid and Barca were a bit unlucky to be unable to continue their CL rampage despite them, having the opportunity since they had monumental lead over other teams in Liga and had brilliant squads.

Bayern tried to play on all fields - Cup, League, CL but lost everything at the end. Milan AC tried the same thing and same result as Bayern.

If we go by logic, their greed for everything, cost them everything while their major opponents - Dortmund and Juventus - had only the League glory in mind and they clinched it.

A morality of this is that it's better to target a single objective instead of all. United and City and Chelsea chosen to do sacrifices, Barcelona/Madrid tried hard to prove that wrong but they couldn't and Juventus and Dortmund exemplified it the most.

Then we have teams like Liverpool and Inter who, in searching for their lost glory, simply kept wandering and lost everything. It's better to be team like Atletico, Bilbao or Arsenal.

Sure, Arsenal didn't won anything (except RVP) butt hey did an okay season with their own means. Including a nice 3-0 comeback effort in CL against Milan or the composed win against EPL champions, City. Athletico ended comfortably in Liga and gained Europa. Bilbao proved their worth with 2 finals.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

it looks like Escorpiius finally recovered from his football shock xd