Jiraya is the most overrated character
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WillOfFire08
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Jiraya is overrated now and then but not to much, he is the strongest sannin in my opinion. Ppl keep refrencing the tym he fot oro and seem 2 4get he was drugged and shud not have even been awake let alone fyt anuther sannin @ the tym. He nearly took down pein and wud give any1 a hard tym in sm w his summons out.
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ghost nappa
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{Insert flame here}Probably next to Minato I'd say Jiraya is the most overrated. First I'd like to say I do acknowledge his powers and achievements as a Sannin and a teacher. But it seems people like to overhype his powers and abilities sometimes.
Peins hype-
I think this is the page that has got everyone overhyped about his abilities.
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Seriously? xd Jiraya beating Pein. Jiraya had difficulty before sage mode just dealing with the Animal Paths. The environment also was made up of hiding places to allow him to enter sage mode.
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If Pein has started with all 6 or just the DEVA PATH Jiraya would have not lasted 5 minutes.
They way I interpret this page was that if Jiraya knew our secret maybe he would have got his ass out of here and looked for the real Nagato.
Kisame's hype-
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People are taking this statement the completely wrong way. Kisame and Itachi knew nothing about Jirayas abilities. Kisame was just going off Jirayas hype as a Sannin. I cannot stress this enough.
Noted: Itachi already defeated Orochimaru, a Sannin when he was 13 and imo was ≥ to Jiraya.
Jiraya can in no way beat Itachi. Especially without sage mode. No naming for the fact Jiraya has nothing to counter OP Susanno, Amaterasu and Tsyukomi. Jiraya has no experience battling with a sharigan user especially on Itachi's level.
How will Jiraya even fight him with just staring at his feet. :sy:
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This goes for Sasuke as well.
Kisame well this battle can go either way. However I believe Kisame has the upperhand, but this is debatable.
One other silly thing I heard was that Jiraya can touch people and they turn to frogs.Not exactly. I won't even bother posting manga pages because it's such a simple thing to understand. Jiraya had to transfer sage mode chakra into his targets by grasping them and focusing.
It is not as easy as a simple "touch". Which is not something an opponent above fodder would just let him do.
I think I've countered his hype pretty well. In no way am I trying to downplay his abilities, but he is not current top 10 now IMO. Saying he would win against characters like Pein, Sasuke, Naruto and Itachi is what forced me to make this thread.
lucian011707
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I have to disagree about Jman being overrated. Still to date he is one of the top ten most powerful ninjas of the anime. I say this because Jman had a jutsu for just about any situation. Look at the Pein fight. He countered everything Pein had in that fight up until his death, and might I add he died only because he wanted to get info back to the leaf. Lets be serious he didn't even get touched until he thought he had killed the three Peins. Thats damn impressive considering all that he had to deal with in that fight. He could have easily escaped. Without that info even Naruto would not have been able to defeat Pein. And the question of what would happen if he fought Itachi has been answered since the beginning of the Naruto series. Itachi stated himself after he and Kisame ran from Jman that if both him and Kisame fought Jman Kisame would not even be a factor in the fight. And the best case scenario for the outcome of the fight would be that both Jman and Itachi kill each other. I think that proves that Jman is not overrated at all. Give him his props
Itachi is the most overrated person, just want to make that clear.also jmanisnt even overrated he=itachi that is what itachi said, also that thing about itachi and kisame only saying that he was strong because he was a sannin is bull itachi fought one of the sannin and beat him in seconds so theres no way itachi would say something like "if we fought it would have been a draw" just based of the fact that j- man was a sannin because he beat one ofthe sanninin seconds. Itachi must have known about jmans powers and conceeded that they were equal to his own ( wether he knew about SM is debatable).
About the fight against pain i agree wiith you partially, i dont think j-man could defeat nagato eve with information however i am sure he would be able to defeat 5 of the paths on his own and all 6 of them if he had ma and pa
About the fight against pain i agree wiith you partially, i dont think j-man could defeat nagato eve with information however i am sure he would be able to defeat 5 of the paths on his own and all 6 of them if he had ma and pa
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bro you forgot that Jman was drug before he fought oro!
We even havnt seen Jman use sage mode on oro.
Orochimaru's Edo Tensai....1st & 2nd hokage.
Oro's does'nt have that kind of mastery of Edo Tensai, When he was controlling the 1st & 2nd during his attack on Konoha, Hiruzen could have killed them atleast 3X if theY wer'nt Edo. Tobirama didnt even use his signature space-time jutsu. The 1st & 2nd were reduced to jonin level shinobis.
Reality=JIRAIYA>>>>oro:scorps:
We even havnt seen Jman use sage mode on oro.
Orochimaru's Edo Tensai....1st & 2nd hokage.
Oro's does'nt have that kind of mastery of Edo Tensai, When he was controlling the 1st & 2nd during his attack on Konoha, Hiruzen could have killed them atleast 3X if theY wer'nt Edo. Tobirama didnt even use his signature space-time jutsu. The 1st & 2nd were reduced to jonin level shinobis.
Reality=JIRAIYA>>>>oro:scorps:
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I don't even know what this is ^. I like Itachi but Sasuke is my favorite if you must know. Itachi was indeed healthy when he was younger at one point and fact proves he owned a Sannin.
I also never once mentioned that drugged fight and honestly no they were not even. The drug only weakened his ability to mould chakra and Orochimaru was holding his own against 2 Sannins with just manda and his evasive skills.
Realtiy: Oro was underestimating Hiruzen and never performed any of the 1st and 2nd hokages best techniques. Fact is Hiruzen caught Oro in a death reaper seal which was a suicide move to begin with because he would have lost either way.
Reality: Jiraya takes to long to enter sage mode and without won't stand against most top ninjas.
ORO>>Jiraya Imo
Lol?
Even in SM Jiraiya wouldnt be fast enough to fool Sharingan eyesight, which means that Amaterasu is deadly for him. Not to mention that activating SM takes so long for Jiraiya that Itachi would never let him do so. Even if he manage, Itachi can take control over any Jiraiya summon with Sharingan. He can use Genjutsu on Ma or Pa on Jiraiyas arms and perv is dead. Sorry, but Jiraiya dont stand a chance to defeat Itachi.
About bolded part, Itachi said that even if they had more backup the outcome wouldnt change, which is complete bs. How would Jiraiya be able to defeat Itachi, Kisame, Sasori and Deidara? Considering the truth about Itachi that was revealed later his words from that time are worthless and they dont prove anything.
Kinimaster
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Why people still dont know that quote of Itachi's and Kisame's conversation they were talking about the Kyubi first, then about Jiraiya? really its pretty obvious Itachi is above Jiraiya, imagine Pain and Itachi against Jiraiya, Itachi was referring to the Kyubi, go check out REI's Manga translation error thread, use search function and you'll get to the thread, its a major mistranslation mistake. Btw Jiraiya is not THAT overrated in comparison to Minato, that character has fanboys you wont believe in other forums, i like his personality but the character is boring as hell in fighting style, jiraiya is a way better character.
You are Mateosss and Itachipawsnall 's alt., aren't you?
Yes, Jiraiya's sage mode is somewhat overrated, but the false hype given to it is nowhere near that given to Hiruzen.Probably next to Minato I'd say Jiraya is the most overrated. First I'd like to say I do acknowledge his powers and achievements as a Sannin and a teacher. But it seems people like to overhype his powers and abilities sometimes.
Peins hype-
I think this is the page that has got everyone overhyped about his abilities.
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Seriously? xd Jiraya beating Pein. Jiraya had difficulty before sage mode just dealing with the Animal Paths. The environment also was made up of hiding places to allow him to enter sage mode.
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If Pein has started with all 6 or just the DEVA PATH Jiraya would have not lasted 5 minutes.
They way I interpret this page was that if Jiraya knew our secret maybe he would have got his ass out of here and looked for the real Nagato.
Kisame's hype-
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People are taking this statement the completely wrong way. Kisame and Itachi knew nothing about Jirayas abilities. Kisame was just going off Jirayas hype as a Sannin. I cannot stress this enough.
Noted: Itachi already defeated Orochimaru, a Sannin when he was 13 and imo was ≥ to Jiraya.
Jiraya can in no way beat Itachi. Especially without sage mode. No naming for the fact Jiraya has nothing to counter OP Susanno, Amaterasu and Tsyukomi. Jiraya has no experience battling with a sharigan user especially on Itachi's level.
How will Jiraya even fight him with just staring at his feet. :sy:
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This goes for Sasuke as well.
Kisame well this battle can go either way. However I believe Kisame has the upperhand, but this is debatable.
One other silly thing I heard was that Jiraya can touch people and they turn to frogs.
It is not as easy as a simple "touch". Which is not something an opponent above fodder would just let him do.
I think I've countered his hype pretty well. In no way am I trying to downplay his abilities, but he is not current top 10 now IMO. Saying he would win against characters like Pein, Sasuke, Naruto and Itachi is what forced me to make this thread.
Jman in sm could be unbelivabley fastwhen hewantedto he was able to appear in front of and blind the animal path with a kick before anyone noticed what had happened, so yes i do think jman could dodge an amaterasu that pre ms sasuke nearly dodged. And that thing about genjutsu is retarded firstly genjusu takes time to activate so when someone is moving as fast as jman a genjutsu that requires eye contact the whole time will be very hard to pull off. 2nd jmam is not stupid enough to look into itachis eyes. Thirdly unless itachi uses tsukyomi ( frogot how to spell it) then jman, ma and pa who have all shown great chakra control will be able to snap the,selves and others out of it. Lastly even if itachi by somechance manages to catch someone in tsukyomi he will be conpletly wasted it takes up alot of chakra this will let the people who werent caught in itfinish itachi of. Andeven if itachi does take control Of a summon jman can unsummon it in a second
And about what everyone keeps saying about jman not being able to go into SM because of how long it takes, do you honestly think that all of jmans summonswont be anle to buy jman a couple of minutes of time to get into sm
tampangjames
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A could dodge Amaterasu only with Raiton armor lvl 2 activated, lvl 1 was not enough and I dont think Jiraiya was even that fast.
Short look into Sharingan is enough to be trapped into Genjutsu. Also, Gai is the only character from manga that is able to fight against Sharingan users without looking into their eyes at all. He said that only after numerous fights with Kakashi he was able to learn that. Please, dont give Jiraiya skills he dont have.
Only, it would take a moment for Itachi to decapitate Jiraiya after taking control over Ma or Pa on Jiraiyas arms.
Of course not, since they are just big practice targerts for Amaterasu, not to mention that Itachi can take control over them wirth Sharingan.
retrogradesteps
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nooooooooooooo~ I love Jiraya, I don't care if he's not the most powerful ninja in history (we all know he's not) but he taught so many how to be a true shinobi. I think that's the greatest aspect of Jiraya. He made a difference.