Jiraya is the most overrated character

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If you knew how that technique works you'd know that in a fight especially aganst any decent opponent he wouldnt get such a chance. At least you should've read how a technique works before you sprout such bs :sy:
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right here you clearly see jman performing the tech and placing 1 hand on his forehead and he instantly turns into a frog, theirs nothing else.



come at me bro

he wouldnt get such a chance oh really? link me where it saids he wouldnt get a chance to place his hand on the other opponent? fact still remains if he gets a chance to place his hand on any shinobi he can instantly turn them into a frog, dont deny it when its in the manga and on wikie sigh..
 
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right here you clearly see jman performing the tech and placing 1 hand on his forehead and he instantly turns into a frog, theirs nothing else.



come at me bro

he wouldnt get such a chance oh really? link me where it saids he wouldnt get a chance to place his hand on the other opponent? fact still remains if he gets a chance to place his hand on any shinobi he can instantly turn them into a frog, dont deny it when its in the manga and on wikie sigh..
Its such a shame that Kages dont have Jiraiya with them... he would just turn Madara into a frog.
 

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right here you clearly see jman performing the tech and placing 1 hand on his forehead and he instantly turns into a frog, theirs nothing else.



come at me bro

he wouldnt get such a chance oh really? link me where it saids he wouldnt get a chance to place his hand on the other opponent? fact still remains if he gets a chance to place his hand on any shinobi he can instantly turn them into a frog, dont deny it when its in the manga and on wikie sigh..

Should've at least read the link. This is what the quote says; "By touching the forehead of a target and then, according to a mental image the user forms, the target changes into a frog". - Keep thinking that against any decent opponent he would get the chance to do this
 

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Lol. Well, Joseph Goebbels said that if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth in peoples minds. Maybe hes rooting for it. xd

As long as Jiraiya was Kage-level shinobi, putting him on par with Pain or Itachi is overrating.
that's obviously his goal. Jman paring Nagato with is a bit too much IMO. His base just wasnt very impressive to me, idk y :shrug:

whats the problem?you think little naive itachi is stronger
Actually, Jman has a chance to defeat Itachi if he's able to enter into SM, but in most fights (if it needs the same amount of prep against Pein) that will be a failed attempt.
 

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right here you clearly see jman performing the tech and placing 1 hand on his forehead and he instantly turns into a frog, theirs nothing else.



come at me bro

he wouldnt get such a chance oh really? link me where it saids he wouldnt get a chance to place his hand on the other opponent? fact still remains if he gets a chance to place his hand on any shinobi he can instantly turn them into a frog, dont deny it when its in the manga and on wikie sigh..
Lol, very clever.
 

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Its such a shame that Kages dont have Jiraiya with them... he would just turn Madara into a frog.
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Should've at least read the link. This is what the quote says; "By touching the forehead of a target and then, according to a mental image the user forms, the target changes into a frog". - Keep thinking that against any decent opponent he would get the chance to do this
yea? he touches their forehead and? how hard would it be to touch the other opponents forehead? mental image? hes a toad sage for christ sake how hard would it be for a man like jman to pic a damn frog in their mind when hes been around them for how many years now?

he can last time, if jman gets the chance to touch anyone shinoboi's forehead its a done deal, stop denying when its in the manga and on wiki.

and your acting like its impossible to touch someone elses forehead? it wouldnt be a easy task against plp like itachi and nagato etc but if he can its done.
 

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yea? he touches their forehead and? how hard would it be to touch the other opponents forehead? mental image? hes a toad sage for christ sake how hard would it be for a man like jman to pic a damn frog in their mind when hes been around for how many years now?

he can last time, if jman gets the chance to touch anyone shinoboi's forehead its a done deal, stop denying when tis in the manga and on wiki.

and your acting like its impossible to touch someone elses forehead? it wouldnt be a easy task against plp like itachi and nagato etc but if he can its done.
Okay this guy is either trolling or stupid. Against decent opponent to touch their forehead alone is a massive feat in fight with all the ninjutsu exchanges, but also jiraiya's average taijutsu and speed. Secondly to touch any decent opponents forehead then think of a frog image in a heated battle isnt happening.

Against any top 25 opponent jiraiya wouldnt get the chance to do what he did to those fodders
 

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Okay this guy is either trolling or stupid. Against decent opponent to touch their forehead alone is a massive feat in fight with all the ninjutsu exchanges, but also jiraiya's average taijutsu and speed. Secondly to touch any decent opponents forehead then think of a frog image in a heated battle isnt happening.

Against any top 25 opponent jiraiya wouldnt get the chance to do what he did to those fodders
''Against any top 25 opponent jiraiya wouldnt get the chance to do what he did to those fodders'' ok kishimoto you know everything :cool:

now your calling your buddy a troll or stupid,? :confused: bro a troll is someone who doesnt use logic or biased bull shit, how am i either of those when im backing up EVERYTHING from the damn manga and wiki?

yes your right it wouldnt be a easy task to touch the forehead of someone like itachi or nagato or madara, what im saying is IF jman gets the SLIGHTEST CHANCE to touch their forehead its a done deal.

''Secondly to touch any decent opponents forehead then think of a frog image in a heated battle isnt happening.''

ok kishi you know everything jiraiya is going to think of.:cool:

jman's average taijutsu skills? please....



pretty sure SM boosts up speed,reflexes,and taijutsu and they can sense chakra and frog kata

COME AT ME BRO:scorps:
 

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jiraiya can beat itachi. jiraiya is underrated and the most overrated character on the base is itachi. people put him against opponents like edo madara, tobi, nagato, hashirama and BM naruto.
 

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just stating the facts bro.
Well, keep it up.I like seeing the uchiha fanatics get a little of their own medicine, hehe.Small annoying facts which won't hold up in court but you can't disprove them.

Okay this guy is either trolling or stupid. Against decent opponent to touch their forehead alone is a massive feat in fight with all the ninjutsu exchanges, but also jiraiya's average taijutsu and speed. Secondly to touch any decent opponents forehead then think of a frog image in a heated battle isnt happening.

Against any top 25 opponent jiraiya wouldnt get the chance to do what he did to those fodders

Say that again?

Also you are incorrect when you’re claiming that nobody can touch each other's forehead. How many times have we seen Itachi do it? It's possible to take your opponent by surprise, and let’s not forget Danzo who completely paralyzed Sasuke and had plenty of time to execute a technique of jiraiya’s nature.
 
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''Against any top 25 opponent jiraiya wouldnt get the chance to do what he did to those fodders'' ok kishimoto you know everything :cool:

now your calling your buddy a troll or stupid,? :confused: bro a troll is someone who doesnt use logic or biased bull shit, how am i either of those when im backing up EVERYTHING from the damn manga and wiki?

yes your right it wouldnt be a easy task to touch the forehead of someone like itachi or nagato or madara, what im saying is IF jman gets the SLIGHTEST CHANCE to touch their forehead its a done deal.

''Secondly to touch any decent opponents forehead then think of a frog image in a heated battle isnt happening.''

ok kishi you know everything jiraiya is going to think of.:cool:

jman's average taijutsu skills? please....



pretty sure SM boosts up speed,reflexes,and taijutsu and they can sense chakra and frog kata

COME AT ME BRO:scorps:

First of all im not coming at you and if you can read im not denying the jutsu. I know very well how it works. What i am saying is that if you think about, (not trying to be kishi) he has to touch the forehead of an opponent first, then think of an image. In a fight thats too long against any decent opponent

Say that again?

Also you are incorrect when you’re claiming that nobody can touch each other's forehead. How many times have we seen Itachi do it? It's possible to take your opponent by surprise, and let’s not forget Danzo who completely paralyzed Sasuke and had plenty of time to execute a technique of jiraiya’s nature.
That itachi thing doesnt really count. Besides what im trying to say is that against any decent opponent it isnt happening. Seems like people think he touches them then they turn into a frog. He has to touch a persons forehead and whilst touching the forehead (too long in a fight), think of an image (too long). Thats way too long in a fight against a decent opponent.

Secondly i agree the databook claims his speed and taijutsu are both at 4.5 but the manga disagress. He hasnt shown much speed feat without sm (and that itself isnt on v1 raiton) and taijutsu, he doesnt have frog katas. He isnt a perfect sage
 
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First of all im not coming at you and if you can read im not denying the jutsu. I know very well how it works. What i am saying is that if you think about, (not trying to be kishi) he has to touch the forehead of an opponent first, then think of an image. In a fight thats too long against any decent opponent
i just thought of a frog no less then 2 secs?

and what if he catches the opponent off gaurd?:shrug:
 

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yeah people insist it's an unbelievably hard task for Minato or Jiraiya to lay a hand on an opponent, and then they have the gall to call others fanboys :rolleyes: jiraiya has close to top tier taijutsu and speed, 4.5. not to mention the big boost he gets with sm, plus his shadow clones.

against Pain, Jiraiya only had trouble with the animal path because he decided to enter sage mode as he was facing the rinnegan and so couldnt use jutsu. He was still able to make clones and enter sm that way, and only came to the realisation that that Pain was only using animal path jutsu later.

apart from Madara, Nagato and TBB, Jiraiya has the best area of effect jutsu in the series. His underworld swamp, goemon, needle senbon and oil bullet and are both very large and very hard to avoid.

then, he is very skilled with kage bunshin, barrier techniques, and toad shadow manipulation techniques. This, coupled with his needle jizo techniques, make him very difficult to hit or harm in a fight.

In short, taking into his account his massive stamina, his vast arsenal of jutsu, and his ability to mold the environment to his liking, coupled with very destructive finishers like twin-ball or sage-art rasengan or his lion mane's techniques, means that no one will fight him easily. The fact that he's tied for highest in the databook, along with Itachi (above Orochimaru,Bee, Kisame, Kakuzu, Sasori etc incidentally), and tops the list of s-rank missions by a landslide speaks volumes. I'm not going to go into the hype, as that's a very subjective issue, but he has plenty.

as to feats, he did one-shot Konan, then proceed to defeating 3 paths of Pain (apart from the genjutsu, he did blind one, capture another, and devise a great strategy to break up their linked vision). Without an arm, he was still able to spar with the 6 pains for a while and capture one, which when you consider the likes of Kakashi were only able to fight two or so at once, albeit the strongest two, it's saying something.
 
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i just thought of a frog no less then 2 secs?

and what if he catches the opponent off gaurd?:shrug:
*Sigh* in the exchange of a fight against a decent opponent, the last thing you'd be thinking off is an image of a frog. Secondly he has to mentain close contact, whilst doing this. You think an opponent will just look at jiraiya whilst he has his hand on his forehead, then think of an image, whilst all this time, the opponent is admiring how beautiful jiraiya's eyes are.

Funny enough the two fodders had their hands basically taken away from them because of how the technique works. No ninja will just sit there and gaze into his eyes whilst he mentains hand contact and thinks of an image :flaw:.

Also sorry for calling you a troll because you are actually cool but if you think about how the technique works and the fights that weve seen so far, its highly unlikely that he can accomplish this against a good opponent
 
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Secondly i agree the databook claims his speed and taijutsu are both at 4.5 but the manga disagress. He hasnt shown much speed feat without sm (and that itself isnt on v1 raiton) and taijutsu, he doesnt have frog katas. He isnt a perfect sage
^Thisis true. When someone says :scorps:SAGE MODE:scorps: they think of SM Naruto. Things SM Naruto can do aren't the same as what SM Jman can do. Just sayin
 
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